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    heav
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    Default Ultra Low Sulfur diesel starting issues and gasket issues

    I was filling up my '82 300 TDT yesterday and the tanker driver was
    filling up the station I was at at the same time.

    I went over and asked him if he knew if the Ultra Low Sulfur diesel
    made cars harder to start. He said it did and that the company gives
    them bulletins about it and how to get their trucks to start and
    precautions they have to take so they don't get stranded when they
    deliver to cold places.

    I told him that he was the first oil company guy to admit that there
    were cold starting problems with the new fuel, that none of the higher
    ups I called would admit it.

    He said that was par for the course and he wasn't suprised.

    The issue is higher flash point, just as I suspected.

    And the reason the new fuel is eating your fuel lines and he told me
    they just got an advisory that it is eating the "O" rings out of
    injectors is that they are trying various additives, probably like the
    toulene someone on the list was recommending, to raise the flash point
    of the fuel.

    So they are testing additives on the public's vehicles to try and find
    something that will raise the flash point but not dissolve all your
    seals and they haven't succeeded on either count yet.

    Paul Fretheim




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    Tiger
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    Default Re: Ultra Low Sulfur diesel starting issues and gasket issues

    Heh... same ol same ol when the diesel was reformulated last time...



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    Dori A Schmetterling
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    Default Re: Ultra Low Sulfur diesel starting issues and gasket issues

    Yeah yeah.. diesel cars standed everywhere in Europe, land of ULS diesel.
    One just trips over them...

    DAS

    For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling
    ---

    "Tiger" <tiger0002@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    newsUcnh.58$9y3.52@newsfe09.lga...
    > Heh... same ol same ol when the diesel was reformulated last time...
    >




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    trader4@optonline.net
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    Dori A Schmetterling wrote:
    > Yeah yeah.. diesel cars standed everywhere in Europe, land of ULS diesel.
    > One just trips over them...
    >
    > DAS
    >
    > For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling
    > ---
    >
    > "Tiger" <tiger0002@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > newsUcnh.58$9y3.52@newsfe09.lga...
    > > Heh... same ol same ol when the diesel was reformulated last time...
    > >



    I've also heard that the newer fuel results in less MPG. I had
    noticed that my 80 300SD, which always got right around 26MPG, is now
    getting around 22. In fact, I had noticed this and was looking for
    leaks, etc. But now I'm thinking maybe it's the new fuel? Anyone
    else check and notice any MPG change?


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    heav
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    Tell the oil companies here to get the right additives then, because
    they are doing something wrong here.

    It is difficult to be sarcastic in a second language. Nice job!

    Please do not imagine that I am not aware of the fact that European
    standards have required ULS for some time. So when did you last use
    LSD? Perhaps you have not had the opportunity for comparison?

    Paul

    Dori A Schmetterling wrote:
    > Yeah yeah.. diesel cars standed everywhere in Europe, land of ULS diesel.
    > One just trips over them...
    >
    > DAS
    >
    > For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling
    > ---
    >
    > "Tiger" <tiger0002@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > newsUcnh.58$9y3.52@newsfe09.lga...
    > > Heh... same ol same ol when the diesel was reformulated last time...
    > >



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    Dori A Schmetterling
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    Default Re: Ultra Low Sulfur diesel starting issues and gasket issues

    Thanks ever so.

    DAS

    For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling
    ---

    "heav" <paul@inyopro.com> wrote in message
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    [..]
    >
    > It is difficult to be sarcastic in a second language. Nice job!

    [...]



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    greek_philosophizer
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    heav wrote:

    > It is difficult to be sarcastic in a second language. Nice job!


    Dori is a Brit.

    American English would not qualify as a second language,
    more like a first and a half language.

    ..


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    Dori A Schmetterling
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    <Broad grin>

    DAS

    For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling
    ---

    "greek_philosophizer" <greek_philosophizer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:1168023129.260853.314740@i15g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
    [...]
    >
    > American English would not qualify as a second language,
    > more like a first and a half language.
    >
    > .
    >




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    I have noticed my 300d getting less miles to the gal,
    I only noticed the low sulphur sign oin the pump about a month ago.
    I guess I wasn't paying attention, but I didn't see one on the pump at the
    texaco, are they still selling non low sulphur diesel?
    I am about ready to start cooking my own biodiesel on the stove to protect
    poor old emily's injector pump,

    "heav" <paul@inyopro.com> wrote in message
    news:1167932345.624498.298820@s80g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
    > I was filling up my '82 300 TDT yesterday and the tanker driver was
    > filling up the station I was at at the same time.
    >
    > I went over and asked him if he knew if the Ultra Low Sulfur diesel
    > made cars harder to start. He said it did and that the company gives
    > them bulletins about it and how to get their trucks to start and
    > precautions they have to take so they don't get stranded when they
    > deliver to cold places.
    >
    > I told him that he was the first oil company guy to admit that there
    > were cold starting problems with the new fuel, that none of the higher
    > ups I called would admit it.
    >
    > He said that was par for the course and he wasn't suprised.
    >
    > The issue is higher flash point, just as I suspected.
    >
    > And the reason the new fuel is eating your fuel lines and he told me
    > they just got an advisory that it is eating the "O" rings out of
    > injectors is that they are trying various additives, probably like the
    > toulene someone on the list was recommending, to raise the flash point
    > of the fuel.
    >
    > So they are testing additives on the public's vehicles to try and find
    > something that will raise the flash point but not dissolve all your
    > seals and they haven't succeeded on either count yet.
    >
    > Paul Fretheim
    >




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    heav
    Guest

    Default Re: Ultra Low Sulfur diesel starting issues and gasket issues

    It depends where you are. In California they switched to ULSD totally
    last June. Some time this year the whole country has to switch so the
    car manufacturers can start selling diesel cars with catalytic
    converters.

    Paul

    <benz...@earthlink.net> wrote:
    > I have noticed my 300d getting less miles to the gal,
    > I only noticed the low sulphur sign oin the pump about a month ago.
    > I guess I wasn't paying attention, but I didn't see one on the pump at the
    > texaco, are they still selling non low sulphur diesel?
    > I am about ready to start cooking my own biodiesel on the stove to protect
    > poor old emily's injector pump,
    >
    > "heav" <paul@inyopro.com> wrote in message
    > news:1167932345.624498.298820@s80g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
    > > I was filling up my '82 300 TDT yesterday and the tanker driver was
    > > filling up the station I was at at the same time.
    > >
    > > I went over and asked him if he knew if the Ultra Low Sulfur diesel
    > > made cars harder to start. He said it did and that the company gives
    > > them bulletins about it and how to get their trucks to start and
    > > precautions they have to take so they don't get stranded when they
    > > deliver to cold places.
    > >
    > > I told him that he was the first oil company guy to admit that there
    > > were cold starting problems with the new fuel, that none of the higher
    > > ups I called would admit it.
    > >
    > > He said that was par for the course and he wasn't suprised.
    > >
    > > The issue is higher flash point, just as I suspected.
    > >
    > > And the reason the new fuel is eating your fuel lines and he told me
    > > they just got an advisory that it is eating the "O" rings out of
    > > injectors is that they are trying various additives, probably like the
    > > toulene someone on the list was recommending, to raise the flash point
    > > of the fuel.
    > >
    > > So they are testing additives on the public's vehicles to try and find
    > > something that will raise the flash point but not dissolve all your
    > > seals and they haven't succeeded on either count yet.
    > >
    > > Paul Fretheim
    > >



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