The Sportscar That Never Met Its Match goes for a tune up modification
and transformation the:

"RX8 TURBO NEED FOR SPEED CARBON"
-The best Greek RX8 by Tuninghouse, Giannitsa
-2nd Place @ Athens Tuning Show 2006

Forty years after Mazda introduced the first rotary engine, the Mazda
RX-8 is still truly one-of-a-kind:
revolutionary engine, peerless design and performance that's miles
beyond the rest. Settle in behind the wheel and
make it yours.

* Powerful RENESIS rotary engine like no other: 232-hp 6-speed MT
with an impressive 9000 rpm redline and a
212-hp 6-speed AT with a 7500 rpm redline.
* Four full-size seats and unique "Freestyle" doors provide a very
roomy ride in a class that's not known for it.
* Countless luxury and safety features outclass the standard
sports car.

WATCH THIS HOT TURBO CHARGE MAZDA-RX8 HERE:
http://www.autoinsuranceselect.com/v...ry_carbon.html

In article <1194952660.244876.213550@y27g2000pre.googlegroups .com>,
adbrent@gmail.com <adbrent@gmail.com> wrote:
> Forty years after Mazda introduced the first rotary engine, the Mazda
> RX-8 is still truly one-of-a-kind:
> revolutionary engine, peerless design and performance that's miles
> beyond the rest.

And dreadful efficiency. WTF do you think everyone else abandoned this
principle?

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"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4f4112bfd8dave@davenoise.co.uk...
> In article <1194952660.244876.213550@y27g2000pre.googlegroups .com>,
> adbrent@gmail.com <adbrent@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Forty years after Mazda introduced the first rotary engine, the Mazda
>> RX-8 is still truly one-of-a-kind:
>> revolutionary engine, peerless design and performance that's miles
>> beyond the rest.
>
> And dreadful efficiency. WTF do you think everyone else abandoned this
> principle?

Er because the seals wear out.

>
> --
> *If I worked as much as others, I would do as little as they *
>
> Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
> To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <1194952660.244876.213550@y27g2000pre.googlegroups .com>,
> adbrent@gmail.com <adbrent@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Forty years after Mazda introduced the first rotary engine, the Mazda
>> RX-8 is still truly one-of-a-kind:
>> revolutionary engine, peerless design and performance that's miles
>> beyond the rest.
>
>And dreadful efficiency. WTF do you think everyone else abandoned this
>principle?

Efficiency at full throttle is pretty good. It's not a bad design for
marine and aircraft applications where the engine is running wide open
most of the time.

The main reason everyone else abandoned the principle is that it burns
oil, and there's no way to get around the need to burn a little bit of
oil. This means passing US emissions standards is difficult, even if
you specify a low-ash oil.
--scott

Piston engine goes boing, boing, boing.

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On Nov 13, 7:15 am, "R. Mark Clayton" <nospamclay...@btinternet.com>
wrote:
> "Dave Plowman (News)" <d...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in messagenews:4f4112bfd8dave@davenoise.co.uk...
>
> > In article <1194952660.244876.213...@y27g2000pre.googlegroups .com>,
> > adbr...@gmail.com <adbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Forty years after Mazda introduced the first rotary engine, the Mazda
> >> RX-8 is still truly one-of-a-kind:
> >> revolutionary engine, peerless design and performance that's miles
> >> beyond the rest.
>
> > And dreadful efficiency. WTF do you think everyone else abandoned this
> > principle?
>
> Er because the seals wear out.
>
>
>
> > --
> > *If I worked as much as others, I would do as little as they *
>
> > Dave Plowman d...@davenoise.co.uk London SW
> > To e-mail, change noise into sound.

the seal problem was back in the early 1970's. a 4 rotor engine car
was the first japanese car to win le mans in early 1990's (i think
1991).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda_787B

bogus racing politics has killed the rotary engine. as politics
killed this engine the last place it was able to really shine was
endurance racing - if nothing else, rotary engines are famous for
RELIABLE.

I used to be a fan of racing, but as I've seen the years go by I've
seen that innovation has become nothing more than a gimmick.
Whenever innovation is shown, it's outlawed! Real racing fans have
seen this many times. The rotary is the latest victim of bogus racing
politics. they've been outlawing this engine for years now. during
1980's in USA, mazda rx7's were untouchable. they set new records
that only porsche seemed to be capable of.
then the limits began...

fuel efficiency isn't great, but the reason people abandoned this
engine is due to bogus racing politics. they limited size in air
intake, added more weight to these cars so they wouldn't be so much
lighter than cars with piston engines, etc, etc, etc. I can get into
a long list of conditions they started adding to rotary engines so
they wouldn't win.

rotary engines were invented by Dr. Felix Wankel. they are amazing
engines - amazing power from such a small thing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_Wankel

it figures a german engineer is the one who invented the rotary
engine!!

Needless to say, I'm a huge fan of german engineering

I just wish bmw and mercedes would fix the horrible electrical
problems their modern cars have. bmw and mercedes are very unreliable
automobiles - the worst part is the electrical system. Lexus also
makes impressive luxury cars, why can they make them reliable?

I wonder if bmw ceo or sales director knows about this? If it wasn't
for electrical problems, bmw would be almost as reliable as lexus.

I think more people should communicate to bmw management. I'm NOT
getting 7 series due to reliability problems! My friend has one and
it's a mess.
I have 5 series - the last good one they made WITHOUT idrive! I hate
that thing!


Oskar

In article <fhcemm$59$1@panix2.panix.com>,
Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
> Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> >In article <1194952660.244876.213550@y27g2000pre.googlegroups .com>,
> > adbrent@gmail.com <adbrent@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Forty years after Mazda introduced the first rotary engine, the Mazda
> >> RX-8 is still truly one-of-a-kind:
> >> revolutionary engine, peerless design and performance that's miles
> >> beyond the rest.
> >
> >And dreadful efficiency. WTF do you think everyone else abandoned this
> >principle?

> Efficiency at full throttle is pretty good. It's not a bad design for
> marine and aircraft applications where the engine is running wide open
> most of the time.

Well so's a gas turbine, but car makers gave up on them in the '50s. ;-)

> The main reason everyone else abandoned the principle is that it burns
> oil, and there's no way to get around the need to burn a little bit of
> oil. This means passing US emissions standards is difficult, even if
> you specify a low-ash oil.

And the dreadful real world fuel consumption. ;-)

> Piston engine goes boing, boing, boing.

Long may they continue to.

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Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
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pheonix1t@gmail.com wrote:
> I just wish bmw and mercedes would fix the horrible electrical
> problems their modern cars have. bmw and mercedes are very unreliable
> automobiles - the worst part is the electrical system. Lexus also
> makes impressive luxury cars, why can they make them reliable?
>
> I wonder if bmw ceo or sales director knows about this? If it wasn't
> for electrical problems, bmw would be almost as reliable as lexus.
>
> I think more people should communicate to bmw management. I'm NOT
> getting 7 series due to reliability problems! My friend has one and
> it's a mess.
> I have 5 series - the last good one they made WITHOUT idrive! I hate
> that thing!
>
>
> Oskar

The big complaint on BMW electrical systems IS I-drive. In the customer
satisfaction and reliability studies - the failure of the owners to be
able to figure out how to use I-Drive is what's driving the reliability
numbers down. The actual electronic devices/components in a BMW are
fairly reliable (perhaps not as reliable as a Lexus..)

Can't speak to Mercedes except the general reputation for reliability
they used to have is in the shitter now. It's like Chrysler reliability
wore off on them.

In article <fi1kh8$4ha$1@panix2.panix.com>,
Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
> Again, I think the Mercdes issue is a lot like the BMW issue.... they
> added a whole lot of fancy electronics to everything, and the complexity
> increase was substantial, and people expect it all to just work, but it
> doesn't. Note that you cannot order these cars stripped down without all
> of the automation crap on them.

I suspect the current way of multiplex wiring is actually cheaper in mass
production than the old way. Copper prices have gone though the roof.

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Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
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In article <fi26u1$h0r$1@panix2.panix.com>,
Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
> Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> >In article <fi1kh8$4ha$1@panix2.panix.com>, Scott Dorsey
> > <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
> >> Again, I think the Mercdes issue is a lot like the BMW issue.... they
> >> added a whole lot of fancy electronics to everything, and the
> >> complexity increase was substantial, and people expect it all to just
> >> work, but it doesn't. Note that you cannot order these cars stripped
> >> down without all of the automation crap on them.
> >
> >I suspect the current way of multiplex wiring is actually cheaper in
> >mass production than the old way. Copper prices have gone though the
> >roof.

> Oh, it absolutely is. But what is the impact in total cost of ownership?

I dunno. No problems on my 10 year old E39 with switches etc. Only
electrical problems have been the heater motor final stage resistor and
the aux fan. And heater motor speed control is common enough on cars which
use simple resistors - sometimes burning out part of the loom. The aux fan
tends to get jammed with debris. Oh - the rain sensing wipers are a bit of
a waste of time. But all the other toys I like. I like the way the
interior lights fade up and down instead of switching off and on. I like
the way the nearside mirror tilts down when you select reverse. I like the
auto dimming mirror.
Would you go back to the days when your mixer had no eq? ;-)

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