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    richie
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    Default BMW Auto box gear select problem (offset drive gear???) Wierd

    Hi,

    I'm about to buy a 3 series BMW (318i SE Auto). This is a second hand
    model and is a 2002 UK model. (The model just prior to the new angular
    one).

    I know these are generaly very sound cars. My friend has a similar
    model that I've driven, when I am in neutral (from memory) the gear
    lever can simply be slipped down directly into drive gear. There is no
    need to push the stick slightly left then slip it down.

    My problem is the car I'm about to buy requires a slight left movement
    of the gear stick and at the same time a downwards movement in order
    to go from neutral to drive mode. I don't remember any beemer
    requiring this motion. Usually BMW are simplicity itself to drive, and
    anything quirky is strictly not in BMW's book.

    So I am concearned that

    either:

    1. My memory is completely going, and all BMW 3 series auto boxes
    require this "left slide and downwards shift" motion to select drive.
    I have simply forgotton that from the previous times I've driven
    similar models.

    Or.

    2. The 3 series autobox does not require anything more than a simple
    shift straight down from neutral to drive in order to select the
    driver gear. Which means the car I'm about to drive has a damaged auto
    box?

    Please let me know your experience of the gear select on the 3 series
    auto.

    Thanks




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    Dave Plowman (News)
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    In article <1180138576.795969.205960@q66g2000hsg.googlegroups .com>,
    richie <richard.w.davies@googlemail.com> wrote:
    > I know these are generaly very sound cars. My friend has a similar
    > model that I've driven, when I am in neutral (from memory) the gear
    > lever can simply be slipped down directly into drive gear. There is no
    > need to push the stick slightly left then slip it down.


    No auto I've ever driven can be put directly in drive - too easy to knock
    the lever.

    --
    *A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory *

    Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
    To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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    Jeff Strickland
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    Default Re: BMW Auto box gear select problem (offset drive gear???) Wierd


    "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
    news:4ee8ce1c5ddave@davenoise.co.uk...
    > In article <1180138576.795969.205960@q66g2000hsg.googlegroups .com>,
    > richie <richard.w.davies@googlemail.com> wrote:
    >> I know these are generaly very sound cars. My friend has a similar
    >> model that I've driven, when I am in neutral (from memory) the gear
    >> lever can simply be slipped down directly into drive gear. There is no
    >> need to push the stick slightly left then slip it down.

    >
    > No auto I've ever driven can be put directly in drive - too easy to knock
    > the lever.


    Every auto I've ever driven can be put into D without doing anything beyond
    yanking the shift lever. The only condition is, the brake must be depressed
    to get out of P. But, once out of P, the lever moves freely from R to N or
    D. The lever has to be manipulated again to select 2 or 1, but once either
    of those are selected, the driver can select D or N by simply moving the
    lever to the desired location. There are no gates to prevent shifting into
    D, there are only gates to prevent shifting out of D to a lower gear, or
    into R or P.

    My daughter's '00 3 Series is the first car I encountered that does not
    follow this rule. There are conditions on this car that must be met to
    select D.






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    Oscar@nowhere.com
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    Default Re: BMW Auto box gear select problem (offset drive gear???) Wierd

    On 25 May 2007 17:16:16 -0700, richie <richard.w.davies@googlemail.com> wrote:

    >Hi,
    >
    >I'm about to buy a 3 series BMW (318i SE Auto). This is a second hand
    >model and is a 2002 UK model. (The model just prior to the new angular
    >one).
    >
    >I know these are generaly very sound cars. My friend has a similar
    >model that I've driven, when I am in neutral (from memory) the gear
    >lever can simply be slipped down directly into drive gear. There is no
    >need to push the stick slightly left then slip it down.
    >
    >My problem is the car I'm about to buy requires a slight left movement
    >of the gear stick and at the same time a downwards movement in order
    >to go from neutral to drive mode. I don't remember any beemer
    >requiring this motion. Usually BMW are simplicity itself to drive, and
    >anything quirky is strictly not in BMW's book.
    >
    >So I am concearned that
    >
    >either:
    >
    >1. My memory is completely going, and all BMW 3 series auto boxes
    >require this "left slide and downwards shift" motion to select drive.
    >I have simply forgotton that from the previous times I've driven
    >similar models.
    >
    >Or.
    >
    >2. The 3 series autobox does not require anything more than a simple
    >shift straight down from neutral to drive in order to select the
    >driver gear. Which means the car I'm about to drive has a damaged auto
    >box?
    >
    >Please let me know your experience of the gear select on the 3 series
    >auto.
    >
    >Thanks


    Well this is a new one on me ......... I have driven several auto BMWs and each
    - depending on box, year and market (only driven 5s in the US) I can stat that
    my '96 740i's lever - we are only talking about the mechanical interconnection
    here as the 'box has nothing that will affect the lever motion - I must depress
    the lever button to shift into P R and anything else other than D & N. The
    movement is linear. Sport mode is via a slide switch next to the position
    indicator.

    I believe that some shifter mechanisms do need a sideways push to engage or
    rather allow the lever to clear the 'gate' as some do not have the button
    interlock. Jaguar is one that had a separate gate for sport mode as did
    Mercedes at one time.

    My New E65 has a fully electronic system that requires a foot on the brake pedal
    before one can do anything other than listen to the radio, CD,DVD or watch TV.

    To start the engine depress the brake and press START. To shift into
    Forward/Reverse depress brake and move column lever 10mm up and you engage R
    10mm down and you select F or drive! Press the end with the foot on the brake
    and you get P.

    Some earlier models could have similar programming in the 'box CPU for the
    reason stated previously. I would check this out with a BMW Stealer first but I
    would assume that if everything else checks out the selector is probably Ok too
    --- What does the handbook say about it?? First place to look I would think.


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    Dave Plowman (News)
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    Default Re: BMW Auto box gear select problem (offset drive gear???) Wierd

    In article <ozM5i.71$Au6.4@trndny04>,
    Jeff Strickland <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:
    > > No auto I've ever driven can be put directly in drive - too easy to
    > > knock the lever.


    > Every auto I've ever driven can be put into D without doing anything
    > beyond yanking the shift lever.


    Then that's not directly. And this feature of having to press the brake is
    relatively recent - in the UK at least. My '92 E34 didn't have it - you
    had to press a button on the shift lever.

    --
    *Red meat is not bad for you. Fuzzy green meat is bad for you.

    Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
    To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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    richie
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    Default Re: BMW Auto box gear select problem (offset drive gear???) Wierd

    Hi,
    The safety point about accidentintal drive selection, is a good one.

    But, as has been mentioned I thought this safety feature only applied
    when selecting drive from parking mode, or reverse gear.
    I am about 90% certain that once in drive you can freely slip the gear
    shift to neutral and back again into drive, by a simple sraight flick
    motion witout any fiddly left wiggling. I know this because when at
    traffic lights (which are on a flat road serface) I always slip the
    car into neutral and then back.

    I also have a MGF tiptronic and that definately allows free linear
    movment between neutral - drive and back without any fiddling.
    BMW are about a billion times better than MGF's and pride themselves
    on BMW simplicity, so I can't imagine them introducing a (slightly
    more) "complex" gear change solution. Particulary when I look at the
    auto box and the lettering on the side (PRND+/-) all reads as if it is
    a 100% linear box. Mercades/ Lexus clearly have a wiggily auto box, so
    any lateral movement is obvious. My VW Golf auto had an obvious linear
    style auto box, but had a picture of a foot by the side of the drive
    gear, indicating the brake pedal has to be applied in order to select
    it. The BMW 3, does not have this, unless I'm mistaken, so I'm sill a
    bit confused?



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    Dave Plowman (News)
    Guest

    Default Re: BMW Auto box gear select problem (offset drive gear???) Wierd

    In article <1180172339.066670.224890@q66g2000hsg.googlegroups .com>,
    richie <richard.w.davies@googlemail.com> wrote:
    > The safety point about accidentintal drive selection, is a good one.


    > But, as has been mentioned I thought this safety feature only applied
    > when selecting drive from parking mode, or reverse gear.
    > I am about 90% certain that once in drive you can freely slip the gear
    > shift to neutral and back again into drive, by a simple sraight flick
    > motion witout any fiddly left wiggling. I know this because when at
    > traffic lights (which are on a flat road serface) I always slip the
    > car into neutral and then back.


    Most certainly allow you to select neutral from drive directly. I'm not
    sure about an interlock from neutral to drive is the car is at speed -
    it's not something most would normally try. But none I've ever driven
    allow neutral to drive directly with the car stationary - unless the
    brakes or parking brake is on. Try it. ;-)

    --
    *When blondes have more fun, do they know it?

    Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
    To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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    Dean Dark
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    Default Re: BMW Auto box gear select problem (offset drive gear???) Wierd

    On Sat, 26 May 2007 11:07:21 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
    <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

    >Most certainly allow you to select neutral from drive directly. I'm not
    >sure about an interlock from neutral to drive is the car is at speed -
    >it's not something most would normally try. But none I've ever driven
    >allow neutral to drive directly with the car stationary - unless the
    >brakes or parking brake is on. Try it. ;-)


    In the mid-70s, I had a '72 automatic Triumph 2000. The ignition
    inhibitor switch either got out of adjustment or failed, and I could
    start the car while it was in drive. I didn't get it fixed, it was
    very convenient, just turn the key and mash the loud pedal. I loved
    it.
    --
    Dan.

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    Dave Plowman (News)
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    Default Re: BMW Auto box gear select problem (offset drive gear???) Wierd

    In article <6v5g535tapjpo4ouoc34v46q7sc5ubopcl@4ax.com>,
    Dean Dark <ddrake@comcast.notthis.net> wrote:
    > >Most certainly allow you to select neutral from drive directly. I'm not
    > >sure about an interlock from neutral to drive is the car is at speed -
    > >it's not something most would normally try. But none I've ever driven
    > >allow neutral to drive directly with the car stationary - unless the
    > >brakes or parking brake is on. Try it. ;-)


    > In the mid-70s, I had a '72 automatic Triumph 2000. The ignition
    > inhibitor switch either got out of adjustment or failed, and I could
    > start the car while it was in drive. I didn't get it fixed, it was
    > very convenient, just turn the key and mash the loud pedal. I loved
    > it.


    That's fine until someone else drives the car - straight into the one in
    front. ISTR the old DAF variomatic belt drive required you start in drive
    - dodgy considering the appalling brakes.

    --
    *Marathon runners with bad footwear suffer the agony of defeat*

    Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
    To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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    adder1969
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    Default Re: BMW Auto box gear select problem (offset drive gear???) Wierd

    On 26 May, 09:11, "Dave Plowman (News)" <d...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
    > In article <ozM5i.71$Au6.4@trndny04>,
    > Jeff Strickland <c...@verizon.net> wrote:
    >
    > > > No auto I've ever driven can be put directly in drive - too easy to
    > > > knock the lever.

    > > Every auto I've ever driven can be put into D without doing anything
    > > beyond yanking the shift lever.

    >
    > Then that's not directly. And this feature of having to press the brake is
    > relatively recent - in the UK at least. My '92 E34 didn't have it - you
    > had to press a button on the shift lever.
    >
    >


    It's a US nanny state thing. I think some (manual) cars you can't
    start without the clutch depressed.


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