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    kpb
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    Default E46 w/ or w/o sports suspension

    Is it worth buing an E46 w/o sports package, or is it clearly inferior
    to one with sports package?

    Without the sports package, is it just another car?

    I wonder if the 1 series, will, like the new 3 series, have run flat
    tires and no dip stick.




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    Fred W
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    kpb wrote:
    > Is it worth buing an E46 w/o sports package, or is it clearly inferior
    > to one with sports package?
    >
    > Without the sports package, is it just another car?
    >
    > I wonder if the 1 series, will, like the new 3 series, have run flat
    > tires and no dip stick.
    >


    Some would say they prefer the car without the stiffer suspension. Like
    people that have to drive on shitty city streets with bumps and potholes
    all the time.

    You'd have to test drive the car to know what *you* like.

    What I like is of little consequence...

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    -Fred W

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    Pete
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    "Fred W" wrote
    > You'd have to test drive the car to know what *you* like.


    Exactly. It's a personal preference. On nice smooth twisty roads, stiff
    suspension is fun. On shitty, pothole infested pavements, it can be a
    nightmare, especially when coupled with large rims and low-profile hard
    summer rubber.

    Other than that, it's not that big of a deal to replace the OEM nonsport
    shocks and springs with sport ones, either OEM or aftermarket. If one's
    buying a used car where suspension is old anyway, one will have to spend
    money on replacing it either way - at this point you might just upgrade to
    the sport susp. if you'd like.

    Pete




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    Pete
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    "kpb" wrote
    > That's an interesting point. Thanks for info.
    >
    > How many years does an old suspension last?


    It really depends on driving habits. I'd measure it in miles rather than
    years. The springs should be good for the life of the car. The shocks -
    maybe 50-150k miles. It really depends. Also, suspension doesn't just
    suddenly go bad. Over time, the shocks' efficiency slowly diminishes. Some
    people who like their cars to be in tip-top shape will replace their shocks
    early if they begin to notice slight floatiness or dive during braking.

    Pete



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    dizzy
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    Pete wrote:

    >Exactly. It's a personal preference. On nice smooth twisty roads, stiff
    >suspension is fun. On shitty, pothole infested pavements, it can be a
    >nightmare, especially when coupled with large rims and low-profile hard
    >summer rubber.


    Well, "nightmare" is a bit strong a word... How about
    "uncomfortable"?


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    Doug Vetter
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    On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:23:07 -0700, kpb wrote:
    > How many years does an old suspension last?


    It's more a number of miles vs. a number of years. My tech's
    experience is that struts last around 100K, while shocks can be spent
    in 75K, and that's been my personal experience as well. Ultimately it
    depends on where and how you drive; if you're hitting potholes all day
    long, don't expect things to last as long.

    I agree with the others -- the sport package is a personal choice
    and I recommend driving it first.

    For what it's worth, a friend bought his 5 series with the regular
    suspension and 15" wheels because he preferred a luxury ride, but once he
    rode in my car he realized that the sport package suspension really
    doesn't give up that much in ride quality. Wheel size has a greater
    impact on that more than anything else. He ultimately upgraded to the
    sport package components (springs, struts, and shocks) including 17"
    wheels and he's been very happy with the result.

    Keep in mind, however, that it will ALWAYS be more expensive to upgrade
    the vehicle than to simply purchase the car equipped from the factory with
    these components. I would only go the upgrade route if the car was very
    special -- i.e. mint condition with fully documented maintenance history,
    or I knew the owner, or the price was right, etc.

    -Doug

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    Scott Dorsey
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    dizzy <dizzy@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    >Pete wrote:
    >
    >>Exactly. It's a personal preference. On nice smooth twisty roads, stiff
    >>suspension is fun. On shitty, pothole infested pavements, it can be a
    >>nightmare, especially when coupled with large rims and low-profile hard
    >>summer rubber.

    >
    >Well, "nightmare" is a bit strong a word... How about
    >"uncomfortable"?


    You've never had hemorrhoids, have you?
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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    Pete
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    "kpb" wrote
    > Wheel size has a greater impact on ride quality? How?


    Let's be specific... the overall wheel (rim + tire) size stays the same, but
    as the rim gets larger, the tire sidewall must get smaller in order to keep
    the overall diamater the same as OEM. Smaller sidewall = less rubber
    between the rim and the pavement. This results in less comfort.


    > I always
    > wondered why bigger tires were considered better...how does bigger
    > tires affect the ride and why is it more "sporty" or is it?


    Tires with smaller/shorter sidewalls provide quicker steering response.
    There is less rubber to flex, so the steering input transfer to the wheel is
    more immediate. The downside of shorter sidewalls is poorer ride quality,
    less comfort. It is also much easier to bend a rim if the sidewall is
    short. If your roads are smooth, those downsides aren't too bad.

    Pete




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    Ranger
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    Hi,

    I put a new set of suspension on my E36 5 years ago (got an e46 so
    gave the e36 to my wife). It got Eibach springs and Monroe gas shocks.
    Fantastic ride quality, better, I'd say, than my e46 330ci sport. Cost
    about 350 at the time. Moseley Motorsport in Telford sorted it for me
    and the car's still going fantastically well (e36 320i).

    So putting new stuff on can give a new lease of life.



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    Pete
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    "Pete" wrotek
    > "kpb" wrote
    >> Wheel size has a greater impact on ride quality? How?

    >
    > Let's be specific... the overall wheel (rim + tire) size stays the same,
    > but as the rim gets larger, the tire sidewall must get smaller in order to
    > keep the overall diamater the same as OEM. Smaller sidewall = less rubber
    > between the rim and the pavement. This results in less comfort.


    Since a picture is worth a thousand words, and in case I wasn't explaining
    myself correctly...

    http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/tech/....jsp?techid=97


    Pete



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