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    The Doctor
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    Default Alternator Doesn't Work

    The RAC mechanic that rescued me off the intersection last week told me that
    although my battery was fine, it was dead flat because the alternator isn't
    charging the battery at all. In the middle of a busy interesction, that was
    all he obviously had time to assess.
    My question ... with the battery fully charged on a bench top charger,
    assuming I don't use the head lights etc, how far could I expect to drive
    without the alternator working before I run into trouble? I need to drive 10
    kms there, 10 back again on a daily basis. If I recharged the battery every
    night on a bench top charger, would I be able to do that? The car is an 88
    model Ford Laser if it makes a difference.





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    Jeff
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    The Doctor wrote:
    > The RAC mechanic that rescued me off the intersection last week told me that
    > although my battery was fine, it was dead flat because the alternator isn't
    > charging the battery at all. In the middle of a busy interesction, that was
    > all he obviously had time to assess.
    > My question ... with the battery fully charged on a bench top charger,
    > assuming I don't use the head lights etc, how far could I expect to drive
    > without the alternator working before I run into trouble? I need to drive 10
    > kms there, 10 back again on a daily basis. If I recharged the battery every
    > night on a bench top charger, would I be able to do that? The car is an 88
    > model Ford Laser if it makes a difference.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Laser

    The Ford Laser was rebadged Maxda 323, sold as the Mercury Tracer and I
    think Escort in the US. The Ford Laser was sold in Australia, Africa,
    New Zealand, Asia and South America.

    Anyway, you can probably drive for about an hour without a working
    alternator. However, your battery is not designed as a deep-cycle
    battery. If you recharge and discharge your battery on a daily basis,
    you're going to wear out the battery.

    Your question: If I recharged the battery every night on a bench top
    charger, would I be able to do that?

    In theory yes. In practice, you're going to ruin the battery and maybe
    need to replace the battery cables and terminals. In addition, powering
    up and down the electrical system like that every day is not good for
    it. You need to replace the alternator or you're going to run into more
    problems.

    Jeff

  3. #3
    aiiadict@gmail.com
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    Default Re: Alternator Doesn't Work

    On Feb 25, 6:11*am, "The Doctor" <tar...@deep.space.inv> wrote:
    > My question ... with the battery fully charged on a bench top charger,
    > assuming I don't use the head lights etc, how far could I expect to drive
    > without the alternator working before I run into trouble?


    with a 4 cylinder VW I am able to go about 40 miles with a bad
    alternator.

    Turn on the headlights and you'll go about 10 minutes. The headlights
    are a huge drain on the battery.

    Take that alternator out of your vehicle, open it up (should be about
    1/4" hex head bolts), get the brushes out (sometimes it's a bit of a
    puzzle, requiring 3 hands), go to your local alternator store, buy new
    brushes (about $2.00 total) and put em back in... should run fine

    Another idea is to run the truck, and spray electrical contact cleaner
    into the alternator... it could be that the brushes or (commutator?)
    are
    dirty and not allowing current to flow from the rotor to the
    terminals..



    Rich

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    Mike hunt
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    Default Re: Alternator Doesn't Work

    I worked at Ford up until 1986. I was a member of the design team, working
    on crumple zones, for the Escort, first and second models.



    Contrary to what many believe, the ONLY Mazda based chassis, albeit with a
    different body, sold by Ford in the US was the first Mercury Tracer, build
    from 1988 until 1990. ALL later Tracers and ALL of the Escorts were
    designed by Ford engineers and built primarily in the US and some Mexico.
    They did use some Mazda designed components, in some models, however.









    "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:AYBwj.14941$Hd.4014@trnddc02...
    > The Doctor wrote:
    >> The RAC mechanic that rescued me off the intersection last week told me
    >> that although my battery was fine, it was dead flat because the
    >> alternator isn't charging the battery at all. In the middle of a busy
    >> interesction, that was all he obviously had time to assess.
    >> My question ... with the battery fully charged on a bench top charger,
    >> assuming I don't use the head lights etc, how far could I expect to drive
    >> without the alternator working before I run into trouble? I need to drive
    >> 10 kms there, 10 back again on a daily basis. If I recharged the battery
    >> every night on a bench top charger, would I be able to do that? The car
    >> is an 88 model Ford Laser if it makes a difference.

    >
    > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Laser
    >
    > The Ford Laser was rebadged Maxda 323, sold as the Mercury Tracer and I
    > think Escort in the US. The Ford Laser was sold in Australia, Africa, New
    > Zealand, Asia and South America.
    >
    > Anyway, you can probably drive for about an hour without a working
    > alternator. However, your battery is not designed as a deep-cycle battery.
    > If you recharge and discharge your battery on a daily basis, you're going
    > to wear out the battery.
    >
    > Your question: If I recharged the battery every night on a bench top
    > charger, would I be able to do that?
    >
    > In theory yes. In practice, you're going to ruin the battery and maybe
    > need to replace the battery cables and terminals. In addition, powering up
    > and down the electrical system like that every day is not good for it. You
    > need to replace the alternator or you're going to run into more problems.
    >
    > Jeff




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    rick505
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    Default Re: Alternator Doesn't Work

    just take it out and get a rebuilt one. i dont mess around with trying to
    rebuild them any more maybe it is the brushes or maybe the diod or treeo
    or maybe a broken wire in the windings or voltage regulator. dont charge
    it up every night and try to run it during the day and charge it at night
    you will fry the battery. dont mess around with it fix it wright you are
    going to spend a lot more money doing it that way. (new battery wires
    might burn starter may go bad) also it may leave you stranded again

    --
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    aiiadict@gmail.com
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    Default Re: Alternator Doesn't Work

    On Feb 25, 9:21*am, "rick505" <lott1...@aol.com> wrote:
    > just take it out and get a rebuilt one. i dont mess around with trying to
    > rebuild them any more maybe it is the brushes or maybe the diod or treeo
    > or maybe a broken wire in the windings or voltage regulator.


    $2.00 for brushes and about 1 hour of work is a good try before you
    spend $50 on a rebuild. Although the diodes, windings, voltage
    regulator
    can go bad, the brushes are the only wearing part (besides the
    bearings)
    and are usually the cause of an alternator not outputting voltage.

    Rich

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    Jeff
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    Default Re: Alternator Doesn't Work

    Mike hunt wrote:
    > I worked at Ford up until 1986. I was a member of the design team, working
    > on crumple zones, for the Escort, first and second models.
    >
    >
    >
    > Contrary to what many believe, the ONLY Mazda based chassis, albeit with a
    > different body, sold by Ford in the US was the first Mercury Tracer, build
    > from 1988 until 1990. ALL later Tracers and ALL of the Escorts were
    > designed by Ford engineers and built primarily in the US and some Mexico.
    > They did use some Mazda designed components, in some models, however.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:AYBwj.14941$Hd.4014@trnddc02...
    >> The Doctor wrote:
    >>> The RAC mechanic that rescued me off the intersection last week told me
    >>> that although my battery was fine, it was dead flat because the
    >>> alternator isn't charging the battery at all. In the middle of a busy
    >>> interesction, that was all he obviously had time to assess.
    >>> My question ... with the battery fully charged on a bench top charger,
    >>> assuming I don't use the head lights etc, how far could I expect to drive
    >>> without the alternator working before I run into trouble? I need to drive
    >>> 10 kms there, 10 back again on a daily basis. If I recharged the battery
    >>> every night on a bench top charger, would I be able to do that? The car
    >>> is an 88 model Ford Laser if it makes a difference.

    >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Laser
    >>
    >> The Ford Laser was rebadged Maxda 323, sold as the Mercury Tracer and I
    >> think Escort in the US. The Ford Laser was sold in Australia, Africa, New
    >> Zealand, Asia and South America.
    >>
    >> Anyway, you can probably drive for about an hour without a working
    >> alternator. However, your battery is not designed as a deep-cycle battery.
    >> If you recharge and discharge your battery on a daily basis, you're going
    >> to wear out the battery.
    >>
    >> Your question: If I recharged the battery every night on a bench top
    >> charger, would I be able to do that?
    >>
    >> In theory yes. In practice, you're going to ruin the battery and maybe
    >> need to replace the battery cables and terminals. In addition, powering up
    >> and down the electrical system like that every day is not good for it. You
    >> need to replace the alternator or you're going to run into more problems.
    >>
    >> Jeff



    It would be great if you could use your knowledge to update this page:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_Tracer

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    Mike hunt
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    "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:%SDwj.14957$Hd.8674@trnddc02...
    > Mike hunt wrote:
    >> I worked at Ford up until 1986. I was a member of the design team,
    >> working on crumple zones, for the Escort, first and second models.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Contrary to what many believe, the ONLY Mazda based chassis, albeit with
    >> a different body, sold by Ford in the US was the first Mercury Tracer,
    >> build from 1988 until 1990. ALL later Tracers and ALL of the Escorts
    >> were designed by Ford engineers and built primarily in the US and some
    >> Mexico. They did use some Mazda designed components, in some models,
    >> however.
    >>

    >
    > It would be great if you could use your knowledge to update this page:
    >
    > http://en..org/wiki/Mercury_Tracer




  9. #9
    Mike hunt
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    Default Re: Alternator Doesn't Work

    You are free to believe whatever you choose. Just because a site like
    Wikipedia gathers information does not mean what they gather is necessarily
    correct. If you want the facts do a search of the industries bible,
    Automotive News.



    As to setting sources straight I did write to Motor Trend at one point early
    on, when they published disinformation about the 91 Escort being Mazda
    based. Although many of my letters, to buff mags over the years have been
    published, by MT and others, MT did not publish that correction or even
    acknowledge it receipt.



    I guess they don't like their opinions to be challenged since they never
    changed their view, even though Ford sent them the same correction stating
    that the Escort was not based on 323. In one later article when MT said it
    was based on the 323, they did say "Ford says is it is not, wink, wink." If
    you doubt what I'm telling you, go to a Mazda dealer and try to by a major
    '91 to '99 Escort/Tracer body part. Not even the windshields were common
    to both.



    Anyone who knows anything about the business knows Mazda did not have
    anything near the capacity to build enough components to meet Escort/Tracer
    sales volumes. The fact is we designed the chassis that was adapted for use
    by Mazda, not the other way around. The ONLY exception was the '88 to '90
    model tracer but even that chassis and body was not common to any Mazda.
    The ONLY engine that was a Mazda was it higher winding 1800 CC used in the
    Escort GT with a manual tranny. The Ford 1900 CC was used in all the other
    Escorts and Tracers. Ford. The only Escort built in Mexico was the
    notchback four door and some excess wagon demand in the final years





    "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:%SDwj.14957$Hd.8674@trnddc02...
    > Mike hunt wrote:
    >> I worked at Ford up until 1986. I was a member of the design team,
    >> working on crumple zones, for the Escort, first and second models.


    >> Contrary to what many believe, the ONLY Mazda based chassis, albeit with
    >> a different body, sold by Ford in the US was the first Mercury Tracer,
    >> build from 1988 until 1990. ALL later Tracers and ALL of the Escorts
    >> were designed by Ford engineers and built primarily in the US and some
    >> Mexico. They did use some Mazda designed components, in some models,
    >> however.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >> news:AYBwj.14941$Hd.4014@trnddc02...
    >>> The Doctor wrote:
    >>>> The RAC mechanic that rescued me off the intersection last week told me
    >>>> that although my battery was fine, it was dead flat because the
    >>>> alternator isn't charging the battery at all. In the middle of a busy
    >>>> interesction, that was all he obviously had time to assess.
    >>>> My question ... with the battery fully charged on a bench top charger,
    >>>> assuming I don't use the head lights etc, how far could I expect to
    >>>> drive without the alternator working before I run into trouble? I need
    >>>> to drive 10 kms there, 10 back again on a daily basis. If I recharged
    >>>> the battery every night on a bench top charger, would I be able to do
    >>>> that? The car is an 88 model Ford Laser if it makes a difference.
    >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Laser
    >>>
    >>> The Ford Laser was rebadged Maxda 323, sold as the Mercury Tracer and I
    >>> think Escort in the US. The Ford Laser was sold in Australia, Africa,
    >>> New Zealand, Asia and South America.
    >>>
    >>> Anyway, you can probably drive for about an hour without a working
    >>> alternator. However, your battery is not designed as a deep-cycle
    >>> battery. If you recharge and discharge your battery on a daily basis,
    >>> you're going to wear out the battery.
    >>>
    >>> Your question: If I recharged the battery every night on a bench top
    >>> charger, would I be able to do that?
    >>>
    >>> In theory yes. In practice, you're going to ruin the battery and maybe
    >>> need to replace the battery cables and terminals. In addition, powering
    >>> up and down the electrical system like that every day is not good for
    >>> it. You need to replace the alternator or you're going to run into more
    >>> problems.
    >>>
    >>> Jeff

    >
    >
    > It would be great if you could use your knowledge to update this page:
    >
    > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_Tracer




  10. #10
    Bruce L. Bergman
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    On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 18:34:35 GMT, Jeff <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    >It would be great if you could use your knowledge to update this page:
    >
    >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_Tracer


    I must apologize for Mr. My Cunt - excuse me, "Mike Hunt" (which is
    a poor excuse for an anonymous name) - his Momma dropped him on his
    head many times as a baby, he enjoyed it, and it certainly shows.

    Seems he is one of those 'Ugly Americans" you were warned about who
    thinks that the USA exists in a vacuum and the rest of the world bows
    down in fealty to us... He is pathologically unable to notice that
    you and The Doctor are in Australia, and there are vast differences
    between what gets a Ford badge put on it down there (or in the rest of
    the world) and what goes on in the United States.

    And he claims to be a "Retired Ford Engineer", he claims to "Have
    owned the USA's biggest cluster of new car dealerships" that has sold
    practically every nameplate ever made. He claims to own a winter
    mansion in Key West FL, and lots of vintage expensive and rare cars...

    And a lot of other grandiose claims, most that have been thoroughly
    debunked over the years - but no matter how many times we trap him in
    bald-faced lies we still can't get him to Shut The Fuck UP.

    Okay, enough of that. Moving on...

    You should be able to get a half hour to an hour of daytime driving
    on a fully charged battery and a dead alternator. 15 to 30 minutes at
    night because of the headlight loads, and two or three easy starts out
    of a fully charged battery - but you can only do that about a dozen
    times before the battery will start to go downhill fast and eventually
    fail altogether from deep cycling.

    The chemistry of a normal Lead-Calcium (and sometimes Tin) starting
    battery does not deal well with being drained more than 10% of nominal
    capacity without being immediately recharged by the alternator during
    driving.

    A Lead-Antimony "Deep Cycle" or "Golf Cart" battery will handle the
    same treatment more gracefully and give you several hundred cycles -
    but they don't have that high of a cranking current rating, so don't
    try it in a cold climate.

    And the Deep Cycle batteries also need to be charged up more-or-less
    immediately when you are done using them, they don't like being left
    discharged for more than a few hours and can suffer permanent damage
    if left flat for too long.

    If you can't fix the alternator in your car yourself, charge the
    battery fully at home overnight, take the charger with you, and make
    one trip directly to your local mechanic or dealer for them to fix it.
    And if they can't get to it immediately, put the battery charger on
    the car to start recharging the battery ASAP.

    --<< Bruce >>--


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