In article
<cc7e4c4f-26f0-462c-864f-40b270fd35c8@d19g2000prm.googlegroups.com>,
SPMcClellan@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello, I am having the same problem with 93 ford festiva. I have been
> working on this for weeks now. I have replaced the distributor, the
> coil, the ignition module, and the ECM and still no luck. Have you
> found anything? I would love to hear any ideas. I have gone through
> all the ignition tests in the book and they seem to take me in
> circles.

Just a shot in the dark here... is your timing belt ok? Does the
distributor shaft rotate when you crank the engine with the cap removed?

Erik

On Jul 3, 2:53 am, Erik <e...@spam.this> wrote:
> In article
> <cc7e4c4f-26f0-462c-864f-40b270fd3...@d19g2000prm.googlegroups.com>,
>
> SPMcClel...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Hello, I am having the same problem with93fordfestiva. I have been
> > working on this for weeks now. I have replaced the distributor, the
> >coil, the ignition module, and the ECM and stillnoluck. Have you
> > found anything? I would love to hear any ideas. I have gone through
> > all the ignition tests in the book and they seem to take me in
> > circles.
>
> Just a shot in the dark here... is your timing belt ok? Does the
> distributor shaft rotate when you crank the engine with the cap removed?
>
> Erik

I have a new timing belt and the distributor is rotating, but thank
you for the idea, any more?

In article <7b53bf5c-f526-4130-af46-
d0b5454b6a1e@u12g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, SPMcClellan@gmail.com
says...
> I have a new timing belt and the distributor is rotating, but thank
> you for the idea, any more?
>
>
I'm not much of an automotive person, but, does the oil pressure sending
unit cut off ignition if it thinks there is no pressure?
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I. Care
Address fake until the SPAM goes away ;-}

On Jul 3, 10:44 am, I. Care <ic...@spamthis.com> wrote:
> In article <7b53bf5c-f526-4130-af46-
> d0b5454b6...@u12g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, SPMcClel...@gmail.com
> says...> I have a new timing belt and the distributor is rotating, but thank
> > you for the idea, any more?
>
> I'm not much of an automotive person, but, does the oil pressure sending
> unit cut off ignition if it thinks there isnopressure?
> --
> I. Care
> Address fake until the SPAM goes away ;-}

I really dont know, but that is something I could check on. Thanks for
the thought.

No... from the factoryu, there is no "Murphy" switch activity from the oil
pressure sender....

I would assume, with all of this stuff going on, that we are using a proper
spark tester (this style http://www.thetoolwarehouse.net/shop/LIS-50850.html
is about the only one I trust and no - the screwdriver trick isn't that
accurate)and that the PCM has been polled for DTCs.

With no evidence of basic testing being performed, this could even be caused
by a popped fuse...


<SPMcClellan@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Jul 3, 10:44 am, I. Care <ic...@spamthis.com> wrote:
>> In article <7b53bf5c-f526-4130-af46-
>> d0b5454b6...@u12g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, SPMcClel...@gmail.com
>> says...> I have a new timing belt and the distributor is rotating, but
>> thank
>> > you for the idea, any more?
>>
>> I'm not much of an automotive person, but, does the oil pressure sending
>> unit cut off ignition if it thinks there isnopressure?
>> --
>> I. Care
>> Address fake until the SPAM goes away ;-}
>
> I really dont know, but that is something I could check on. Thanks for
> the thought.

in article yC9bk.1707$1o6.300@edtnps83, Jim Warman at
mechanic@telusplanet.net wrote on 7/3/08 12:18 PM:

> With no evidence of basic testing being performed, this could even be caused
> by a popped fuse...


battery to ground ... straight line thinking they say don't go in circles.

he just has to trace it hot ... sometimes, and this is rare, the battery
cable shows good character on the outside but the battery acid gutted it on
the inside.

Change the battery hot cable ... and it get up and go ... the first thing to
test on the way up to the ignition and then to the coil and then to the
spark plug.

I have never had any problems showing a spark on a pull any plug ... but
usually the number 1 sparkplug and reconnect into the appropriate sparkplug
cable in this case of the discusion is number 1 ... touch it to the metal
steel ground while cranking over ... voila it its aliveeeeee !!!

Or not.

No spark ... you just got a connection not connecting up ... make sure
everything is plugged in, solid dry connection, clean, shiny, bright,
freshly scraped of corrosion and crud ... from battery posts out. Sometimes
it is just a film of oil that is breaking the electical flow.

Fords are notorous for REQUIRING ... all 6 cells of the battery to be up and
hot ... for it to work properly. 5 cells of the battery, hot spark, not
enough. Swap out your battery if it is off ... and go get something like
Interstate that has real good battery warrenty if you are USA if you push a
Ford around.

sumbuddie on da watchtower

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?


"Alan B. Mac Farlane" <alanb@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:C492DFB3.53065%alanb@sonic.net...
> in article yC9bk.1707$1o6.300@edtnps83, Jim Warman at
> mechanic@telusplanet.net wrote on 7/3/08 12:18 PM:
>
>> With no evidence of basic testing being performed, this could even be
>> caused
>> by a popped fuse...
>
>
> battery to ground ... straight line thinking they say don't go in circles.
>
> he just has to trace it hot ... sometimes, and this is rare, the battery
> cable shows good character on the outside but the battery acid gutted it
> on
> the inside.
>
> Change the battery hot cable ... and it get up and go ... the first thing
> to
> test on the way up to the ignition and then to the coil and then to the
> spark plug.
>
> I have never had any problems showing a spark on a pull any plug ... but
> usually the number 1 sparkplug and reconnect into the appropriate
> sparkplug
> cable in this case of the discusion is number 1 ... touch it to the metal
> steel ground while cranking over ... voila it its aliveeeeee !!!
>
> Or not.
>
> No spark ... you just got a connection not connecting up ... make sure
> everything is plugged in, solid dry connection, clean, shiny, bright,
> freshly scraped of corrosion and crud ... from battery posts out.
> Sometimes
> it is just a film of oil that is breaking the electical flow.
>
> Fords are notorous for REQUIRING ... all 6 cells of the battery to be up
> and
> hot ... for it to work properly. 5 cells of the battery, hot spark, not
> enough. Swap out your battery if it is off ... and go get something like
> Interstate that has real good battery warrenty if you are USA if you push
> a
> Ford around.
>
> sumbuddie on da watchtower
>
>
>

in article %tibk.1934$7%6.1269@edtnps82, Jim Warman at
mechanic@telusplanet.net wrote on 7/3/08 10:24 PM:

> WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?


the learning curve is pretty flat at first, but it picks up after awhile.

try to be patient with your self.

Confusion is just a fear of knowing what is going on.

Love will take the fear away.

Just ask for it, and be open and willing.

If you are doing it right, love stings at first ... then later you get used
to the sting.

This is purgatory you have to go through your pain to find your happiness
here. I know it sucks, but that is how purgatory works.

sumbuddie where blind sea

In article <C4938C16.53088%alanb@sonic.net>,
"Alan B. Mac Farlane" <alanb@sonic.net> wrote:

> in article %tibk.1934$7%6.1269@edtnps82, Jim Warman at
> mechanic@telusplanet.net wrote on 7/3/08 10:24 PM:
>
> > WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
>
>
> the learning curve is pretty flat at first, but it picks up after awhile.
>
> try to be patient with your self.
>
> Confusion is just a fear of knowing what is going on.
>
> Love will take the fear away.
>
> Just ask for it, and be open and willing.
>
> If you are doing it right, love stings at first ... then later you get used
> to the sting.
>
> This is purgatory you have to go through your pain to find your happiness
> here. I know it sucks, but that is how purgatory works.
>
> sumbuddie where blind sea
>
>

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

On Jul 4, 10:43 am, SPMcClel...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jul 3, 8:57 pm, "Alan B. Mac Farlane" <al...@sonic.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > in article yC9bk.1707$1o6.300@edtnps83, Jim Warman at
> > mecha...@telusplanet.net wrote on 7/3/08 12:18 PM:
>
> > > Withnoevidence of basic testing being performed, this could even be caused
> > > by a popped fuse...
>
> > battery to ground ... straight line thinking they say don't go in circles.
>
> > he just has to trace it hot ... sometimes, and this is rare, the battery
> > cable shows good character on the outside but the battery acid gutted it on
> > the inside.
>
> > Change the battery hot cable ... and it get up and go ... the first thing to
> > test on the way up to the ignition and then to thecoiland then to thesparkplug.
>
> > I have never had any problems showing asparkon a pull any plug ... but
> > usually the number 1 sparkplug and reconnect into the appropriate sparkplug
> > cable in this case of the discusion is number 1 ... touch it to the metal
> > steel ground while cranking over ... voila it its aliveeeeee !!!
>
> > Or not.
>
> > Nospark... you just got a connection not connecting up ... make sure
> > everything is plugged in, solid dry connection, clean, shiny, bright,
> > freshly scraped of corrosion and crud ... from battery posts out. Sometimes
> > it is just a film of oil that is breaking the electical flow.
>
> > Fords are notorous for REQUIRING ... all 6 cells of the battery to be up and
> > hot ... for it to work properly. 5 cells of the battery, hotspark, not
> > enough. Swap out your battery if it is off ... and go get something like
> > Interstate that has real good battery warrenty if you are USA if you push aFordaround.
>
> > sumbuddie on da watchtower
>
> >
>
> The engine was soaked in oil, so I will get some contact cleaner and
> go through the connections cleaning them all. I have checked all fuses
> and fusable links. I have also checked for voltage and grounds as per
> the wiring schematic. I have also replaced the PCM, distributor,
> ignition module, condensor, and thecoil.

Ok, I got some contact cleaner and opened all the connections and
cleaned them out. I also cleaned the battery posts and verified the
cells all had water. I have a good solid cranking action, I have fuel,
but I still have no spark.