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    bigjim@backpacker.com
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    Default Here's Ford/Volvo Lying About AWD

    Look at the xc70's poor performance. This haldex system is in the
    ford 500 and freestyle. This is why Ford is in trouble.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyLgYskj-oc




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    sleepdog@optonline.net
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    Whatever, do you see the rear wheels on the volvo spinning? Then I'd
    say it was an even test, but fwd vs. awd is no contest.

    There you go, top-posted it too.

    On Jan 29, 7:44 pm, big...@backpacker.com wrote:
    > Look at the xc70's poor performance. This haldex system is in the
    > ford 500 and freestyle. This is why Ford is in trouble.
    >
    > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyLgYskj-oc



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    C. E. White
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    <bigjim@backpacker.com> wrote in message
    news:1170117867.724248.280010@k78g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
    > Look at the xc70's poor performance. This haldex system is in the
    > ford 500 and freestyle. This is why Ford is in trouble.
    >
    > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyLgYskj-oc


    I wish I could understand the guy talking. As far as I know Ford doesn't
    claim the AWD setup on the Freestyle is for heavy duty off road use.The
    Subaru has a better off road AWD system, but I wonder what would happen if
    you installed different tires on the Volvo. My Mother has an AWD Freestyle
    and if drives really well. We never use if for off road driving more
    strenuous that driving down a muddy 1/4 mile long lane, but it handles that
    really well. The tires are not particularly aggressive. They are more suited
    to highway driving than limited traction situations. I am not sure if the
    traction control system would help the off road situation.

    The description of the Freestyle system in the Ford Service Manual implies
    that in low traction situations, the front to rear power split would be
    locked at 50/50 and transmit power to the rear wheels even if the front
    wheels were spinning. The Volvo in the movie clip did not seem to work like
    this. Are you sure the systems are the same?

    I also wonder why the driver seemed to poke up the hill so slowly. I bet I
    could drive my Son's 2WD Mustang up that little hill with a more aggressive
    driving technique. So I am not sure exactly what they were trying to prove
    (again I wish I could understand what the guy was saying). I know I could
    have climbed the hill with a 2WD Ranger (with decent AT Tires).

    Ed



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    Ford Tech
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    Default Re: Here's Ford/Volvo Lying About AWD

    I dont like that video for two reasons.

    1. It wasnt done in English so you have no idea what they are saying..

    2. Those tires, and those vehicles are NOT designed for off road use. The
    AWD is designed for highway use, and the Volvo uses a viscus clutch in the
    transfer case to supply power to the rear wheels. How do we know that it
    wasnt malfunctioning, or disengaged?

    Ford Tech
    <bigjim@backpacker.com> wrote in message
    news:1170117867.724248.280010@k78g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
    > Look at the xc70's poor performance. This haldex system is in the
    > ford 500 and freestyle. This is why Ford is in trouble.
    >
    > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyLgYskj-oc
    >




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    Ashton Crusher
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    Default Re: Here's Ford/Volvo Lying About AWD

    I never saw the rear wheels show any indication that they were getting
    power. Perhaps it was a comparison of a FWD vehicle to an AWD
    vehicle.


    On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 23:19:48 -0600, "Ford Tech" <pkurtz2@cox.net>
    wrote:

    >I dont like that video for two reasons.
    >
    >1. It wasnt done in English so you have no idea what they are saying..
    >
    >2. Those tires, and those vehicles are NOT designed for off road use. The
    >AWD is designed for highway use, and the Volvo uses a viscus clutch in the
    >transfer case to supply power to the rear wheels. How do we know that it
    >wasnt malfunctioning, or disengaged?
    >
    >Ford Tech
    ><bigjim@backpacker.com> wrote in message
    >news:1170117867.724248.280010@k78g2000cwa.googleg roups.com...
    >> Look at the xc70's poor performance. This haldex system is in the
    >> ford 500 and freestyle. This is why Ford is in trouble.
    >>
    >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyLgYskj-oc
    >>

    >


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    bigjim@backpacker.com
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    Default Re: Here's Ford/Volvo Lying About AWD

    No XC70 is AWD. Check out
    http://www.4x4abc.com/4WD101/volvo.html




    On Jan 30, 12:41 am, Ashton Crusher <H...@nowhere.net> wrote:
    > I never saw the rear wheels show any indication that they were getting
    > power. Perhaps it was a comparison of a FWD vehicle to an AWD
    > vehicle.
    >
    > On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 23:19:48 -0600, "Ford Tech" <pkur...@cox.net>
    > wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    > >I dont like that video for two reasons.

    >
    > >1. It wasnt done in English so you have no idea what they are saying..

    >
    > >2. Those tires, and those vehicles are NOT designed for off road use. The
    > >AWD is designed for highway use, and the Volvo uses a viscus clutch in the
    > >transfer case to supply power to the rear wheels. How do we know that it
    > >wasnt malfunctioning, or disengaged?

    >
    > >Ford Tech
    > ><big...@backpacker.com> wrote in message
    > >news:1170117867.724248.280010@k78g2000cwa.googleg roups.com...
    > >> Look at the xc70's poor performance. This haldex system is in the
    > >> ford 500 and freestyle. This is why Ford is in trouble.

    >
    > >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyLgYskj-oc- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -



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    Tom
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    Default Re: Here's Ford/Volvo Lying About AWD

    why is it that no matter what the subject, there will always be some ford
    bashing troll that will post some kind of bullscrap like this to try to tick
    others off???

    I mean really. are there that many people in the world that have absolutely
    nothing better to do ???
    <bigjim@backpacker.com> wrote in message
    news:1170117867.724248.280010@k78g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
    > Look at the xc70's poor performance. This haldex system is in the
    > ford 500 and freestyle. This is why Ford is in trouble.
    >
    > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyLgYskj-oc
    >




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    C. E. White
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    Default Re: Here's Ford/Volvo Lying About AWD


    <bigjim@backpacker.com> wrote in message
    news:1170154735.686407.171850@h3g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
    > No XC70 is AWD. Check out
    > http://www.4x4abc.com/4WD101/volvo.html


    If that description is accurate, then the Volvo system and the
    Freestyle system are not the same. The system in the Freestyle
    includes an electro-magnetic clutch along with hydraulics that can
    lock the driveshaft if excessive slip is detected. At least from the
    description it is like the A4WD System used in the Expeditions and
    Explorers, the primary difference being that for the Freestyle the
    front wheels are primary (always direct connected), and the rear
    wheels are secondary (connected via the electro-magnetic clutch),
    while in the Expedition and Explorer, the rear wheels are primary and
    the front wheels are secondary.

    Ed



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    Some O
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    Default Re: Here's Ford/Volvo Lying About AWD

    In article <YvHvh.8$tl4.4@newsfe09.lga>,
    "Tom" <tjctransport@optonline.net> wrote:

    > why is it that no matter what the subject, there will always be some ford
    > bashing troll that will post some kind of bullscrap like this to try to tick
    > others off???
    >
    > I mean really. are there that many people in the world that have absolutely
    > nothing better to do ???
    > <bigjim@backpacker.com> wrote in message
    > news:1170117867.724248.280010@k78g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
    > > Look at the xc70's poor performance. This haldex system is in the
    > > ford 500 and freestyle. This is why Ford is in trouble.
    > >
    > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyLgYskj-oc
    > >


    True. I don't understand why he doesn't just buy the Subaru if he wants
    to hill climb.

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    bigjim@backpacker.com
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    I have a subaru and it is far more capable than that video. People
    wonder why Ford is going down. One reason is lying about products and
    selling crap. No one can doubt the capability and durability of
    Subaru AWD as it has been proven for years.

    > True. I don't understand why he doesn't just buy the Subaru if he wants
    > to hill climb.




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