Toyota having major quality issues.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...8/AR2006071800
681.html

"The Bonesman" <Bones@server3.net> wrote in message
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> Toyota having major quality issues.
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...8/AR2006071800
> 681.html
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>

First of all, we've already covered this item (Please see my thread, as well
as a few others)

And secondly, www.tinyurl.com is your friend; the link was broken.

http://tinyurl.com/z7xko

Natalie

The Bonesman wrote:
> Toyota having major quality issues.
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...8/AR2006071800
> 681.html
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>

Toyota finds a marginality and voluntarily recalls the cars to fix it.
No big deal. Ford had a massive problem with engine control modules and
fought against a recall for years. It finally took a California court
going against them to get Ford to do the right thing.

( http://www.yourlawyer.com/articles/read/8735 )

Every company is going to have some problems get out there. The
question is, does the company stand up and deal with the problem or do
they rope-a-dope their customers?

I am still waiting for the GM 3.4 L intake manifold gasket repair recall!

John

"The Bonesman" <Bones@server3.net> wrote in message
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> Toyota having major quality issues.
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...8/AR2006071800
> 681.html
>
>
Nothing big. Recalls go in cycles. Just listen to the news:

GM
Chrysler
GM
GM
Ford
Chrysler
GM
Chrysler
GM
Ford
GM
GM
GM
Toyota

You mean just like Toyota sludge problem in engines on hundreds of thousands
of cars?

mike


"John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> The Bonesman wrote:
>> Toyota having major quality issues.
>>
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...8/AR2006071800
>> 681.html
>>
>>
>
> Toyota finds a marginality and voluntarily recalls the cars to fix it. No
> big deal. Ford had a massive problem with engine control modules and
> fought against a recall for years. It finally took a California court
> going against them to get Ford to do the right thing.
>

> John
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com>

> Toyota finds a marginality and voluntarily recalls the cars to fix it.
> No big deal. Ford had a massive problem with engine control modules and
> fought against a recall for years. It finally took a California court
> going against them to get Ford to do the right thing.
>
> ( http://www.yourlawyer.com/articles/read/8735 )


Sort of reminds me of the Toyota sludge recall - oh wait, the Sludge
Customer Satisfaction Program. I am still waitign for Toyota to fix the
paint on the sorry Cressida we owned (the worse POS I ever owned). Or maybe
you are thinking of the Toyota V-6 head gasket fiasco. Or maybe you are
thinking of how Toyota had to dragged kicking and screaming by NHTSA into
recalling cerain trucks to address the high rate of ball joint failures for
certain models. When you have some time go to the NHTSA web site and review
the documents. It is hilarious. First Toyota claimed there was not a
problem. Then the claimed it was the suppliers fault. Then they stalled for
months. Finally they admitted there was a problem and did the right thing
after a couple of years.....

At least with Ford you can get an inkling of the potential problems by
reviewing the titles of the various TSBs. Most of the Japanese manufacturers
are restricting access to this information. I recently purchased a Nissan
Frontier. After I purchased the vehicle, I got a recall notice. Never saw
the recall mentioned anywhere. Then I started checking and after I paid for
access to the Nissan information service, I found that my 2006 vehicle
already had over 50 TSB again it. 50!!!!!!!!!!!!!! for a 2006 vehicle. So I
started poking around and found out both Toyota and Honda are pulling the
same stunt. I suppose they are hoping if you don't know there is a fault in
the design you might not notice the problem.

I had a 1997 Ford Expedtion with the 5.4L engine. There were lots of
complains about this engine having piston slap problems. Heck, there were
even web pages where you could download the sound. I heard a couple myself.
Ford said it wasn't a problem, but it worried a lot of people to death and
eventually Ford replaced a lot of engines to keep Customers happy. So last
year when I was looking for a new Pick-up Truck I spent a lot of time
looking at Tundras. I test drove three. All three sounded like rock crushers
when they were first started. They were all far worse than any 5.4L
Expedition I have ever heard. I commented on this to the various sales
people. They all said the nosie was completely normal and not to worry about
it. And just like the Fords, as soon as the engine warmed up slightly, the
noise went away. So it appears to me there are double standards out there -
Toyota crap is OK (especially if you don't know it is crap) and Ford or GM
crap really stinks.

> Every company is going to have some problems get out there. The
> question is, does the company stand up and deal with the problem or do
> they rope-a-dope their customers?

You mean like Toyota does? See comments about V-6 Engines and Ball
Joints.....

> I am still waiting for the GM 3.4 L intake manifold gasket repair recall!

Unfotunately, I am too....

Ed

John Horner wrote:
> The Bonesman wrote:
> > Toyota having major quality issues.
> >
> > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...8/AR2006071800
> > 681.html
> >
> >
>
> Toyota finds a marginality and voluntarily recalls the cars to fix it.
> No big deal.

When has Toyota ever had a voluntary recall for a "marginality" ?
Seems it has to be a saftey problem before they will recall anything.

"SimonLW" <nospam@donet.com> wrote in message
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> "The Bonesman" <Bones@server3.net> wrote in message
> news:12btk10d70nige9@corp.supernews.com...
>> Toyota having major quality issues.
>>
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...8/AR2006071800
>> 681.html
>>
>>
> Nothing big. Recalls go in cycles. Just listen to the news:
>
> GM
> Chrysler
> GM
> GM
> Ford
> Chrysler
> GM
> Chrysler
> GM
> Ford
> GM
> GM
> GM
> Toyota
>
>

Looks like it time to release those Chinese cars, all the other
have gone to hell

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 07:18:43 -0400, SimonLW wrote:

> "The Bonesman" <Bones@server3.net> wrote in message
> news:12btk10d70nige9@corp.supernews.com...
>> Toyota having major quality issues.
>>
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...8/AR2006071800
>> 681.html
>>
>>
> Nothing big. Recalls go in cycles. Just listen to the news:
>
> GM
> Chrysler
> GM
> GM
> Ford
> Chrysler
> GM
> Chrysler
> GM
> Ford
> GM
> GM
> GM
> Toyota

I think you missed a couple "Toyotas" there.

But when you figure, Toyota makes almost as many cars as GM, and sells
them all over the world, and the last 'recall' I had on a '95 Tercel was
to replace a screw holding the antenna to the car so AM radio would work,
I think I'll stick with Toyota for a while longer...

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 10:58:24 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
<mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:

>You mean just like Toyota sludge problem in engines on hundreds of thousands
>of cars?
>
>mike

.....and NOT ONE documented to have had the factory recommended oil
changes....

Just because we drive the best cars in the world does not make all of
us smart enough to change the oil...



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Scott in Florida