I got an 89 full size Chevy. It's got those &$%^#)&* Power Windows.
Last winter that damn passenger side window went down and not back up.
I ended up with a car full of snow and a real bad attitude. I finally
got it back up after 3 days of freezing in my garage. I had to
completely rip the door apart, found out there is no way to raise the
window manually, but finally after beating the crap out of that motor
and running power directly from the car battery, it went up. What's
odd, is that there was power the whole time, but my jumper from the
battery had more power somehow. So, my plan was to never lower that
window again. Of course being on the passenger side everyone that
gets in my car has to f**k with it. Partiucularly my neighbors kid
who I told to NEVER LOWER THAT WINDOW. What does he do the last time
I took him somewhere, he lowers the window. That time, it got stuck
again, but finally went up. So, yesterday he gets in my car and the
first thing he does is lower that &$%^#)&* window. This time it wont
go back up no matter what I do. This time he ended up being my gofer,
because I was pretty pissed. This time I decided that I was going to
cut the wires to the motor so no one lowers it again.

Well, there is absolutely no way to raise that window manually. The
motor has some oddball threaded rivets that can not be unscrewed, so
there is no way to replace it, at least not without grinding those
stupid things off (why the f**k they did not use bolts, I will never
understand). I finally just took my grinder and cut a hole in the
door from the inside. Then I cut thru that motor near the gears, and
was able to put a vise grip on the shaft and raise the window. The
wires are cut and I destroyed that motor anyhow.

My question is whether there is any sort of aftermarket thing that
will turn that into a hand crank window. I am not going to spend the
outrageous expense for the motor, not to mention I cant see how the
hell to change it being all riveted to the door and to the bracket
taht contains the belt to raise the thing. However, if there is some
sort of crank I can put in there, I may consider it.

Anyone know?

The next time I buy a car, it WON'T have power windows. I hate them.
They are just another useless P.O.S. to make cars cost more and later
sell expensive parts. Apparently some people will spend the extra
money because they are too lazy to roll a window with a crank.

Buggz

I will be pretty hard to find a newer car today without power windows.
Why didn't you just put DUCT TAPE over the power window switch so people
would not use the switch or use the lockout switch on the driver's door?

buggz@hoohoo.com wrote:
> I got an 89 full size Chevy. It's got those &$%^#)&* Power Windows.
> Last winter that damn passenger side window went down and not back up.
> I ended up with a car full of snow and a real bad attitude. I finally
> got it back up after 3 days of freezing in my garage. I had to
> completely rip the door apart, found out there is no way to raise the
> window manually, but finally after beating the crap out of that motor
> and running power directly from the car battery, it went up. What's
> odd, is that there was power the whole time, but my jumper from the
> battery had more power somehow. So, my plan was to never lower that
> window again. Of course being on the passenger side everyone that
> gets in my car has to f**k with it. Partiucularly my neighbors kid
> who I told to NEVER LOWER THAT WINDOW. What does he do the last time
> I took him somewhere, he lowers the window. That time, it got stuck
> again, but finally went up. So, yesterday he gets in my car and the
> first thing he does is lower that &$%^#)&* window. This time it wont
> go back up no matter what I do. This time he ended up being my gofer,
> because I was pretty pissed. This time I decided that I was going to
> cut the wires to the motor so no one lowers it again.
>
> Well, there is absolutely no way to raise that window manually. The
> motor has some oddball threaded rivets that can not be unscrewed, so
> there is no way to replace it, at least not without grinding those
> stupid things off (why the f**k they did not use bolts, I will never
> understand). I finally just took my grinder and cut a hole in the
> door from the inside. Then I cut thru that motor near the gears, and
> was able to put a vise grip on the shaft and raise the window. The
> wires are cut and I destroyed that motor anyhow.
>
> My question is whether there is any sort of aftermarket thing that
> will turn that into a hand crank window. I am not going to spend the
> outrageous expense for the motor, not to mention I cant see how the
> hell to change it being all riveted to the door and to the bracket
> taht contains the belt to raise the thing. However, if there is some
> sort of crank I can put in there, I may consider it.
>
> Anyone know?
>
> The next time I buy a car, it WON'T have power windows. I hate them.
> They are just another useless P.O.S. to make cars cost more and later
> sell expensive parts. Apparently some people will spend the extra
> money because they are too lazy to roll a window with a crank.
>
> Buggz
>

<buggz@hoohoo.com> wrote in message
news:dslrd299vsfv9nlkuiefokviv7ltvp1nmg@4ax.com...
>I got an 89 full size Chevy. It's got those &$%^#)&* Power Windows.
> Last winter that damn passenger side window went down and not back up.
> I ended up with a car full of snow and a real bad attitude. I finally
> got it back up after 3 days of freezing in my garage. I had to
> completely rip the door apart, found out there is no way to raise the
> window manually, but finally after beating the crap out of that motor
> and running power directly from the car battery, it went up. What's
> odd, is that there was power the whole time, but my jumper from the
> battery had more power somehow. So, my plan was to never lower that
> window again. Of course being on the passenger side everyone that
> gets in my car has to f**k with it. Partiucularly my neighbors kid
> who I told to NEVER LOWER THAT WINDOW. What does he do the last time
> I took him somewhere, he lowers the window. That time, it got stuck
> again, but finally went up. So, yesterday he gets in my car and the
> first thing he does is lower that &$%^#)&* window. This time it wont
> go back up no matter what I do. This time he ended up being my gofer,
> because I was pretty pissed. This time I decided that I was going to
> cut the wires to the motor so no one lowers it again.
>
> Well, there is absolutely no way to raise that window manually. The
> motor has some oddball threaded rivets that can not be unscrewed, so
> there is no way to replace it, at least not without grinding those
> stupid things off (why the f**k they did not use bolts, I will never
> understand). I finally just took my grinder and cut a hole in the
> door from the inside. Then I cut thru that motor near the gears, and
> was able to put a vise grip on the shaft and raise the window. The
> wires are cut and I destroyed that motor anyhow.
>
> My question is whether there is any sort of aftermarket thing that
> will turn that into a hand crank window. I am not going to spend the
> outrageous expense for the motor, not to mention I cant see how the
> hell to change it being all riveted to the door and to the bracket
> taht contains the belt to raise the thing. However, if there is some
> sort of crank I can put in there, I may consider it.
>
> Anyone know?
>
> The next time I buy a car, it WON'T have power windows. I hate them.
> They are just another useless P.O.S. to make cars cost more and later
> sell expensive parts. Apparently some people will spend the extra
> money because they are too lazy to roll a window with a crank.
>
> Buggz

Don't let that little sh*t in the car again.

<buggz@hoohoo.com> wrote in message
news:dslrd299vsfv9nlkuiefokviv7ltvp1nmg@4ax.com...
>I got an 89 full size Chevy. It's got those &$%^#)&* Power Windows.
> Last winter that damn passenger side window went down and not back up.
> I ended up with a car full of snow and a real bad attitude. I finally
> got it back up after 3 days of freezing in my garage. I had to
> completely rip the door apart, found out there is no way to raise the
> window manually, but finally after beating the crap out of that motor
> and running power directly from the car battery, it went up.

That is what they make sticks for.

I've had three (all rear) windows in two cars fail in the past 9 months.
Remove the door panel. If possible, disconnect the window from the
mechanism. If you have it up, at least remove the power connections. Not
cut a stick to proper length and jam it under the window.

I never put the back windows down anyway so this was a simple, inexpensive
fix for me. The first one took over an hour, but now I can do it in 20
minutes.

<buggz@hoohoo.com> wrote in message
news:dslrd299vsfv9nlkuiefokviv7ltvp1nmg@4ax.com...
>I got an 89 full size Chevy. It's got those &$%^#)&* Power Windows.
> Last winter that damn passenger side window went down and not back up.
> I ended up with a car full of snow and a real bad attitude. I finally
> got it back up after 3 days of freezing in my garage. I had to
> completely rip the door apart, found out there is no way to raise the
> window manually, but finally after beating the crap out of that motor
> and running power directly from the car battery, it went up. What's
> odd, is that there was power the whole time, but my jumper from the
> battery had more power somehow. So, my plan was to never lower that
> window again. Of course being on the passenger side everyone that
> gets in my car has to f**k with it. Partiucularly my neighbors kid
> who I told to NEVER LOWER THAT WINDOW. What does he do the last time
> I took him somewhere, he lowers the window. That time, it got stuck
> again, but finally went up. So, yesterday he gets in my car and the
> first thing he does is lower that &$%^#)&* window. This time it wont
> go back up no matter what I do. This time he ended up being my gofer,
> because I was pretty pissed. This time I decided that I was going to
> cut the wires to the motor so no one lowers it again.
>
> Well, there is absolutely no way to raise that window manually. The
> motor has some oddball threaded rivets that can not be unscrewed, so
> there is no way to replace it, at least not without grinding those
> stupid things off (why the f**k they did not use bolts, I will never
> understand). I finally just took my grinder and cut a hole in the
> door from the inside. Then I cut thru that motor near the gears, and
> was able to put a vise grip on the shaft and raise the window. The
> wires are cut and I destroyed that motor anyhow.
>
> My question is whether there is any sort of aftermarket thing that
> will turn that into a hand crank window. I am not going to spend the
> outrageous expense for the motor, not to mention I cant see how the
> hell to change it being all riveted to the door and to the bracket
> taht contains the belt to raise the thing. However, if there is some
> sort of crank I can put in there, I may consider it.
>
> Anyone know?
>
> The next time I buy a car, it WON'T have power windows. I hate them.
> They are just another useless P.O.S. to make cars cost more and later
> sell expensive parts. Apparently some people will spend the extra
> money because they are too lazy to roll a window with a crank.
>
> Buggz


Where do you want my pharmacy to send the Valium ?

That sucks about the newer cars. I really never want another car with
power windows. This must be why they say Americans are getting soft,
if people dont have enough muscle to crank a window up by hand.

When I consider the cost and major hassle to change that motor, I just
can not justify the little "convenience" the power windows offer. The
old crank windows never went bad, except for the crank itself getting
stripped, breaking, or falling off, and that was very easy and cheap
to fix.

You are right about the duct tape. In fact I decided that yesterday
when this problem happened again. But it was too late by then. Now
the motor wont work again. I ground a huge hole in it, but left it
unplugged just so nothing shorts out.

Actually I can roll it down and up now, if I remove the door panel and
put a vise grip on that gear hub inside the motor assembly. Thats how
I finally got it back up. I could probably even weld a shaft onto
that thing, but I dont need to lower the window that bad.

Thanks - Buggz

On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 14:37:04 GMT, Dave <daves1955@verizon.net> wrote:

>I will be pretty hard to find a newer car today without power windows.
>Why didn't you just put DUCT TAPE over the power window switch so people
>would not use the switch or use the lockout switch on the driver's door?
>
>buggz@hoohoo.com wrote:
>> I got an 89 full size Chevy. It's got those &$%^#)&* Power Windows.
>> Last winter that damn passenger side window went down and not back up.
>> I ended up with a car full of snow and a real bad attitude. I finally
>> got it back up after 3 days of freezing in my garage. I had to
>> completely rip the door apart, found out there is no way to raise the
>> window manually, but finally after beating the crap out of that motor
>> and running power directly from the car battery, it went up. What's
>> odd, is that there was power the whole time, but my jumper from the
>> battery had more power somehow. So, my plan was to never lower that
>> window again. Of course being on the passenger side everyone that
>> gets in my car has to f**k with it. Partiucularly my neighbors kid
>> who I told to NEVER LOWER THAT WINDOW. What does he do the last time
>> I took him somewhere, he lowers the window. That time, it got stuck
>> again, but finally went up. So, yesterday he gets in my car and the
>> first thing he does is lower that &$%^#)&* window. This time it wont
>> go back up no matter what I do. This time he ended up being my gofer,
>> because I was pretty pissed. This time I decided that I was going to
>> cut the wires to the motor so no one lowers it again.
>>
>> Well, there is absolutely no way to raise that window manually. The
>> motor has some oddball threaded rivets that can not be unscrewed, so
>> there is no way to replace it, at least not without grinding those
>> stupid things off (why the f**k they did not use bolts, I will never
>> understand). I finally just took my grinder and cut a hole in the
>> door from the inside. Then I cut thru that motor near the gears, and
>> was able to put a vise grip on the shaft and raise the window. The
>> wires are cut and I destroyed that motor anyhow.
>>
>> My question is whether there is any sort of aftermarket thing that
>> will turn that into a hand crank window. I am not going to spend the
>> outrageous expense for the motor, not to mention I cant see how the
>> hell to change it being all riveted to the door and to the bracket
>> taht contains the belt to raise the thing. However, if there is some
>> sort of crank I can put in there, I may consider it.
>>
>> Anyone know?
>>
>> The next time I buy a car, it WON'T have power windows. I hate them.
>> They are just another useless P.O.S. to make cars cost more and later
>> sell expensive parts. Apparently some people will spend the extra
>> money because they are too lazy to roll a window with a crank.
>>
>> Buggz
>>

<buggz@hoohoo.com> wrote in message
news:v3esd2hct98hgvaieni0kd7ujsaqodeask@4ax.com...
> That sucks about the newer cars. I really never want another car with
> power windows. This must be why they say Americans are getting soft,
> if people dont have enough muscle to crank a window up by hand.
>

It is not about soft or not having enough muscle. It is about convenience.
Some of us like the ability and safety of being able to raise or lower
windows, other than the driver's, while driving. Not long ago I was
driving a rented Stratus. It was plain awkward to lower the window at a
toll booth. The handle was low and forward on the door. I decided at the
first toll booth that I've never buy one with manual windows.

Geez, after almost 17 years of service your window motor dies and you go
berserk. Parts wear out. Parts needs to be replaced. Why can't people
understand this ? Your lucky you got that many years out of the window
motor.


If I were you the simplest thing to do would of been to unplug the wire
connector to the power window switch once you got the glass up, that way
nobody could open the window anymore.
Cutting the wires will go over big with the next owner of the vehicle. I
can only imagine the names he'll come up with about you if he ever pokes
his head inside that door.

I'm surprised with all the beating & pounding you did on the motor that
you also didn't post, " the $%^&ing window shattered too " ! LOL.


Judging by the prior problems with the window motor over the last
several months, it was giving you several warnings its life expectancy
was nearing the end, but you chose to ignore the warnings and not
address the issue of replacing the the motor - say last year instead of
yesterday.

The manufacturer uses rivets to hold the window motor in place. To
remove the motor the rivets have to be drilled out - not to hard to do,
inconvenient yes, but on the assembly line it saves time by not having
to use nuts & bolts and two wrenches. Nuts & bolts are what are used
when a replacement motor is needed, but GM replacement units do give you
rivets if you want to reuse rivets.

I've only replaced one window motor when my car was 8 years old. The
driver side was stopping on the up cycle, but would go up after 3-4
minutes. I took my time & it took maybe three hours to complete the job.

Good Luck on the other 3 windows.

harryface
05 Park Avenue 44,595
91 Bonneville 307, 156

On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 21:28:02 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net>
wrote:

>
><buggz@hoohoo.com> wrote in message
>news:v3esd2hct98hgvaieni0kd7ujsaqodeask@4ax.com.. .
>> That sucks about the newer cars. I really never want another car with
>> power windows. This must be why they say Americans are getting soft,
>> if people dont have enough muscle to crank a window up by hand.
>>
>
>It is not about soft or not having enough muscle. It is about convenience.
>Some of us like the ability and safety of being able to raise or lower
>windows, other than the driver's, while driving. Not long ago I was
>driving a rented Stratus. It was plain awkward to lower the window at a
>toll booth. The handle was low and forward on the door. I decided at the
>first toll booth that I've never buy one with manual windows.
>

I guess for some people this is a convenience. For me, who fixes my
own cars, its nothing but a pain and an annoyance. I drive older cars
and this is the first car I ever had with these things. I hope it's
the last. I never had any trouble with the old crank windows, unless
they got stiff (which just meant they needed some oil and grease, and
all was well again).

I think our whole society is going crazy with all this "convenience"
crap. It's funny, because yesterday I went to Walmart. I had to take
a shit so I go in the restroom. I find the toilet is full of someone
elses shit. Well, I am not going to use it that way, and it has a
sensor flush thingie. There is no way I can make it flush without
standing or sitting in front of that idiotic thing. Fortunately the
other stall was empty, so I go to that one. Halfway thru doing my
business, the toilet just flushes while I am sitting on it. Like I
really want water splashing up my ass. After a few cuss words I move
on to the sinks. There are 4 of them in a row, all have sensors. I
wave my hands in front of one of them, get no water, so I go to the
next, and the next. The 4th one finally decided to work, but stopped
halfway thru, and would not restart. I finally got the second one ot
work to complete washing my hands. Instead of one simple arm movement
to turn on a faucet, I spent several minutes waving my hands around
like an idiot to get any water, and wasted several minutes to do it.

Things like this are not convenience, they are assenine.
If they always worked as intended, they might be a convenience, but
they dont. Maybe if they were maintained and repaired every week or
so, they would work better, but look at all the extra expense for
maintenance and costly parts. Guess who pays for all of that? The
customer pays in higher prices. Give me a plain old flush handle
toilet, and a plain faucet with a handle. Yes, go ahead and use a
spring back handle so I dont leave the water running.

I wont even get into the part about the electric hand dryers.... I
hate those damn things....

Yeah, this is off topic of autos, but it's just that our society seems
to have gone crazy with convenience crap that's not a convenience at
all. It's an annoyance or worse.....

One other thing. If someone was to have a wreck and need to get out
of a car quickly because of a fire, it's unlikely the power windows
will work, since many fires start from electrical problems. The old
crank will always work unless the car was smashed into on that door.
Now tell me which is safer? I know that I cant even open or close the
windows in my car unless I insert the key and flip the ignition
switch. I find that extremely INCONVENIENT when it starts raining and
I have to run outside to raise the car windows. I get out there, and
forgot the keys are in the house. By the time I get back in the house
grab keys, go back to the car, I am soaked and so are the car seats.
"Convenience" ??????? NOT !!!!!!

What's a convenience for one person is not for another !!!

Buggz

"Harry Face" <Harryface9105@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:2054-44DEBF34-40@storefull-3318.bay.webtv.net...
> Geez, after almost 17 years of service your window motor dies and you go
> berserk. Parts wear out. Parts needs to be replaced. Why can't people
> understand this ? Your lucky you got that many years out of the window
> motor.
>
>
> If I were you the simplest thing to do would of been to unplug the wire
> connector to the power window switch once you got the glass up, that way
> nobody could open the window anymore.


Ii agree about the 17 years. My LeSabre rear windows went out at 5 years.
They have rarely been used and the only reason they were used when they
broke was I accidentally hit the wrong button. To make matters worse, they
don't stay up. The cable, not the motor is the problem so they have to be
propped in place. That pissed me off. One broke, I'd say it was "shit
happens", but two in a few months, that is poor quality material/design.

My Regal just lost a rear window, but at 16 years old, I'm not concerned
about that because of the age.

Unlike the OP, my next car will still have power window.