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    buggz@hoohoo.com
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    Default &$%^#)&* Power Windows

    I got an 89 full size Chevy. It's got those &$%^#)&* Power Windows.
    Last winter that damn passenger side window went down and not back up.
    I ended up with a car full of snow and a real bad attitude. I finally
    got it back up after 3 days of freezing in my garage. I had to
    completely rip the door apart, found out there is no way to raise the
    window manually, but finally after beating the crap out of that motor
    and running power directly from the car battery, it went up. What's
    odd, is that there was power the whole time, but my jumper from the
    battery had more power somehow. So, my plan was to never lower that
    window again. Of course being on the passenger side everyone that
    gets in my car has to f**k with it. Partiucularly my neighbors kid
    who I told to NEVER LOWER THAT WINDOW. What does he do the last time
    I took him somewhere, he lowers the window. That time, it got stuck
    again, but finally went up. So, yesterday he gets in my car and the
    first thing he does is lower that &$%^#)&* window. This time it wont
    go back up no matter what I do. This time he ended up being my gofer,
    because I was pretty pissed. This time I decided that I was going to
    cut the wires to the motor so no one lowers it again.

    Well, there is absolutely no way to raise that window manually. The
    motor has some oddball threaded rivets that can not be unscrewed, so
    there is no way to replace it, at least not without grinding those
    stupid things off (why the f**k they did not use bolts, I will never
    understand). I finally just took my grinder and cut a hole in the
    door from the inside. Then I cut thru that motor near the gears, and
    was able to put a vise grip on the shaft and raise the window. The
    wires are cut and I destroyed that motor anyhow.

    My question is whether there is any sort of aftermarket thing that
    will turn that into a hand crank window. I am not going to spend the
    outrageous expense for the motor, not to mention I cant see how the
    hell to change it being all riveted to the door and to the bracket
    taht contains the belt to raise the thing. However, if there is some
    sort of crank I can put in there, I may consider it.

    Anyone know?

    The next time I buy a car, it WON'T have power windows. I hate them.
    They are just another useless P.O.S. to make cars cost more and later
    sell expensive parts. Apparently some people will spend the extra
    money because they are too lazy to roll a window with a crank.

    Buggz


  2. #2
    Dave
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    Default Re: &$%^#)&* Power Windows

    I will be pretty hard to find a newer car today without power windows.
    Why didn't you just put DUCT TAPE over the power window switch so people
    would not use the switch or use the lockout switch on the driver's door?

    buggz@hoohoo.com wrote:
    > I got an 89 full size Chevy. It's got those &$%^#)&* Power Windows.
    > Last winter that damn passenger side window went down and not back up.
    > I ended up with a car full of snow and a real bad attitude. I finally
    > got it back up after 3 days of freezing in my garage. I had to
    > completely rip the door apart, found out there is no way to raise the
    > window manually, but finally after beating the crap out of that motor
    > and running power directly from the car battery, it went up. What's
    > odd, is that there was power the whole time, but my jumper from the
    > battery had more power somehow. So, my plan was to never lower that
    > window again. Of course being on the passenger side everyone that
    > gets in my car has to f**k with it. Partiucularly my neighbors kid
    > who I told to NEVER LOWER THAT WINDOW. What does he do the last time
    > I took him somewhere, he lowers the window. That time, it got stuck
    > again, but finally went up. So, yesterday he gets in my car and the
    > first thing he does is lower that &$%^#)&* window. This time it wont
    > go back up no matter what I do. This time he ended up being my gofer,
    > because I was pretty pissed. This time I decided that I was going to
    > cut the wires to the motor so no one lowers it again.
    >
    > Well, there is absolutely no way to raise that window manually. The
    > motor has some oddball threaded rivets that can not be unscrewed, so
    > there is no way to replace it, at least not without grinding those
    > stupid things off (why the f**k they did not use bolts, I will never
    > understand). I finally just took my grinder and cut a hole in the
    > door from the inside. Then I cut thru that motor near the gears, and
    > was able to put a vise grip on the shaft and raise the window. The
    > wires are cut and I destroyed that motor anyhow.
    >
    > My question is whether there is any sort of aftermarket thing that
    > will turn that into a hand crank window. I am not going to spend the
    > outrageous expense for the motor, not to mention I cant see how the
    > hell to change it being all riveted to the door and to the bracket
    > taht contains the belt to raise the thing. However, if there is some
    > sort of crank I can put in there, I may consider it.
    >
    > Anyone know?
    >
    > The next time I buy a car, it WON'T have power windows. I hate them.
    > They are just another useless P.O.S. to make cars cost more and later
    > sell expensive parts. Apparently some people will spend the extra
    > money because they are too lazy to roll a window with a crank.
    >
    > Buggz
    >


  3. #3
    Scott
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    Default Re: &$%^#)&* Power Windows


    <buggz@hoohoo.com> wrote in message
    news:dslrd299vsfv9nlkuiefokviv7ltvp1nmg@4ax.com...
    >I got an 89 full size Chevy. It's got those &$%^#)&* Power Windows.
    > Last winter that damn passenger side window went down and not back up.
    > I ended up with a car full of snow and a real bad attitude. I finally
    > got it back up after 3 days of freezing in my garage. I had to
    > completely rip the door apart, found out there is no way to raise the
    > window manually, but finally after beating the crap out of that motor
    > and running power directly from the car battery, it went up. What's
    > odd, is that there was power the whole time, but my jumper from the
    > battery had more power somehow. So, my plan was to never lower that
    > window again. Of course being on the passenger side everyone that
    > gets in my car has to f**k with it. Partiucularly my neighbors kid
    > who I told to NEVER LOWER THAT WINDOW. What does he do the last time
    > I took him somewhere, he lowers the window. That time, it got stuck
    > again, but finally went up. So, yesterday he gets in my car and the
    > first thing he does is lower that &$%^#)&* window. This time it wont
    > go back up no matter what I do. This time he ended up being my gofer,
    > because I was pretty pissed. This time I decided that I was going to
    > cut the wires to the motor so no one lowers it again.
    >
    > Well, there is absolutely no way to raise that window manually. The
    > motor has some oddball threaded rivets that can not be unscrewed, so
    > there is no way to replace it, at least not without grinding those
    > stupid things off (why the f**k they did not use bolts, I will never
    > understand). I finally just took my grinder and cut a hole in the
    > door from the inside. Then I cut thru that motor near the gears, and
    > was able to put a vise grip on the shaft and raise the window. The
    > wires are cut and I destroyed that motor anyhow.
    >
    > My question is whether there is any sort of aftermarket thing that
    > will turn that into a hand crank window. I am not going to spend the
    > outrageous expense for the motor, not to mention I cant see how the
    > hell to change it being all riveted to the door and to the bracket
    > taht contains the belt to raise the thing. However, if there is some
    > sort of crank I can put in there, I may consider it.
    >
    > Anyone know?
    >
    > The next time I buy a car, it WON'T have power windows. I hate them.
    > They are just another useless P.O.S. to make cars cost more and later
    > sell expensive parts. Apparently some people will spend the extra
    > money because they are too lazy to roll a window with a crank.
    >
    > Buggz


    Don't let that little sh*t in the car again.



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    Edwin Pawlowski
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    Default Re: &$%^#)&* Power Windows


    <buggz@hoohoo.com> wrote in message
    news:dslrd299vsfv9nlkuiefokviv7ltvp1nmg@4ax.com...
    >I got an 89 full size Chevy. It's got those &$%^#)&* Power Windows.
    > Last winter that damn passenger side window went down and not back up.
    > I ended up with a car full of snow and a real bad attitude. I finally
    > got it back up after 3 days of freezing in my garage. I had to
    > completely rip the door apart, found out there is no way to raise the
    > window manually, but finally after beating the crap out of that motor
    > and running power directly from the car battery, it went up.


    That is what they make sticks for.

    I've had three (all rear) windows in two cars fail in the past 9 months.
    Remove the door panel. If possible, disconnect the window from the
    mechanism. If you have it up, at least remove the power connections. Not
    cut a stick to proper length and jam it under the window.

    I never put the back windows down anyway so this was a simple, inexpensive
    fix for me. The first one took over an hour, but now I can do it in 20
    minutes.



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    dbltap
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    Default Re: &$%^#)&* Power Windows


    <buggz@hoohoo.com> wrote in message
    news:dslrd299vsfv9nlkuiefokviv7ltvp1nmg@4ax.com...
    >I got an 89 full size Chevy. It's got those &$%^#)&* Power Windows.
    > Last winter that damn passenger side window went down and not back up.
    > I ended up with a car full of snow and a real bad attitude. I finally
    > got it back up after 3 days of freezing in my garage. I had to
    > completely rip the door apart, found out there is no way to raise the
    > window manually, but finally after beating the crap out of that motor
    > and running power directly from the car battery, it went up. What's
    > odd, is that there was power the whole time, but my jumper from the
    > battery had more power somehow. So, my plan was to never lower that
    > window again. Of course being on the passenger side everyone that
    > gets in my car has to f**k with it. Partiucularly my neighbors kid
    > who I told to NEVER LOWER THAT WINDOW. What does he do the last time
    > I took him somewhere, he lowers the window. That time, it got stuck
    > again, but finally went up. So, yesterday he gets in my car and the
    > first thing he does is lower that &$%^#)&* window. This time it wont
    > go back up no matter what I do. This time he ended up being my gofer,
    > because I was pretty pissed. This time I decided that I was going to
    > cut the wires to the motor so no one lowers it again.
    >
    > Well, there is absolutely no way to raise that window manually. The
    > motor has some oddball threaded rivets that can not be unscrewed, so
    > there is no way to replace it, at least not without grinding those
    > stupid things off (why the f**k they did not use bolts, I will never
    > understand). I finally just took my grinder and cut a hole in the
    > door from the inside. Then I cut thru that motor near the gears, and
    > was able to put a vise grip on the shaft and raise the window. The
    > wires are cut and I destroyed that motor anyhow.
    >
    > My question is whether there is any sort of aftermarket thing that
    > will turn that into a hand crank window. I am not going to spend the
    > outrageous expense for the motor, not to mention I cant see how the
    > hell to change it being all riveted to the door and to the bracket
    > taht contains the belt to raise the thing. However, if there is some
    > sort of crank I can put in there, I may consider it.
    >
    > Anyone know?
    >
    > The next time I buy a car, it WON'T have power windows. I hate them.
    > They are just another useless P.O.S. to make cars cost more and later
    > sell expensive parts. Apparently some people will spend the extra
    > money because they are too lazy to roll a window with a crank.
    >
    > Buggz



    Where do you want my pharmacy to send the Valium ?



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    buggz@hoohoo.com
    Guest

    Default Re: &$%^#)&* Power Windows

    That sucks about the newer cars. I really never want another car with
    power windows. This must be why they say Americans are getting soft,
    if people dont have enough muscle to crank a window up by hand.

    When I consider the cost and major hassle to change that motor, I just
    can not justify the little "convenience" the power windows offer. The
    old crank windows never went bad, except for the crank itself getting
    stripped, breaking, or falling off, and that was very easy and cheap
    to fix.

    You are right about the duct tape. In fact I decided that yesterday
    when this problem happened again. But it was too late by then. Now
    the motor wont work again. I ground a huge hole in it, but left it
    unplugged just so nothing shorts out.

    Actually I can roll it down and up now, if I remove the door panel and
    put a vise grip on that gear hub inside the motor assembly. Thats how
    I finally got it back up. I could probably even weld a shaft onto
    that thing, but I dont need to lower the window that bad.

    Thanks - Buggz

    On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 14:37:04 GMT, Dave <daves1955@verizon.net> wrote:

    >I will be pretty hard to find a newer car today without power windows.
    >Why didn't you just put DUCT TAPE over the power window switch so people
    >would not use the switch or use the lockout switch on the driver's door?
    >
    >buggz@hoohoo.com wrote:
    >> I got an 89 full size Chevy. It's got those &$%^#)&* Power Windows.
    >> Last winter that damn passenger side window went down and not back up.
    >> I ended up with a car full of snow and a real bad attitude. I finally
    >> got it back up after 3 days of freezing in my garage. I had to
    >> completely rip the door apart, found out there is no way to raise the
    >> window manually, but finally after beating the crap out of that motor
    >> and running power directly from the car battery, it went up. What's
    >> odd, is that there was power the whole time, but my jumper from the
    >> battery had more power somehow. So, my plan was to never lower that
    >> window again. Of course being on the passenger side everyone that
    >> gets in my car has to f**k with it. Partiucularly my neighbors kid
    >> who I told to NEVER LOWER THAT WINDOW. What does he do the last time
    >> I took him somewhere, he lowers the window. That time, it got stuck
    >> again, but finally went up. So, yesterday he gets in my car and the
    >> first thing he does is lower that &$%^#)&* window. This time it wont
    >> go back up no matter what I do. This time he ended up being my gofer,
    >> because I was pretty pissed. This time I decided that I was going to
    >> cut the wires to the motor so no one lowers it again.
    >>
    >> Well, there is absolutely no way to raise that window manually. The
    >> motor has some oddball threaded rivets that can not be unscrewed, so
    >> there is no way to replace it, at least not without grinding those
    >> stupid things off (why the f**k they did not use bolts, I will never
    >> understand). I finally just took my grinder and cut a hole in the
    >> door from the inside. Then I cut thru that motor near the gears, and
    >> was able to put a vise grip on the shaft and raise the window. The
    >> wires are cut and I destroyed that motor anyhow.
    >>
    >> My question is whether there is any sort of aftermarket thing that
    >> will turn that into a hand crank window. I am not going to spend the
    >> outrageous expense for the motor, not to mention I cant see how the
    >> hell to change it being all riveted to the door and to the bracket
    >> taht contains the belt to raise the thing. However, if there is some
    >> sort of crank I can put in there, I may consider it.
    >>
    >> Anyone know?
    >>
    >> The next time I buy a car, it WON'T have power windows. I hate them.
    >> They are just another useless P.O.S. to make cars cost more and later
    >> sell expensive parts. Apparently some people will spend the extra
    >> money because they are too lazy to roll a window with a crank.
    >>
    >> Buggz
    >>



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    Edwin Pawlowski
    Guest

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    <buggz@hoohoo.com> wrote in message
    news:v3esd2hct98hgvaieni0kd7ujsaqodeask@4ax.com...
    > That sucks about the newer cars. I really never want another car with
    > power windows. This must be why they say Americans are getting soft,
    > if people dont have enough muscle to crank a window up by hand.
    >


    It is not about soft or not having enough muscle. It is about convenience.
    Some of us like the ability and safety of being able to raise or lower
    windows, other than the driver's, while driving. Not long ago I was
    driving a rented Stratus. It was plain awkward to lower the window at a
    toll booth. The handle was low and forward on the door. I decided at the
    first toll booth that I've never buy one with manual windows.



  8. #8
    Harry Face
    Guest

    Default Re: &$%^#)&* Power Windows

    Geez, after almost 17 years of service your window motor dies and you go
    berserk. Parts wear out. Parts needs to be replaced. Why can't people
    understand this ? Your lucky you got that many years out of the window
    motor.


    If I were you the simplest thing to do would of been to unplug the wire
    connector to the power window switch once you got the glass up, that way
    nobody could open the window anymore.
    Cutting the wires will go over big with the next owner of the vehicle. I
    can only imagine the names he'll come up with about you if he ever pokes
    his head inside that door.

    I'm surprised with all the beating & pounding you did on the motor that
    you also didn't post, " the $%^&ing window shattered too " ! LOL.


    Judging by the prior problems with the window motor over the last
    several months, it was giving you several warnings its life expectancy
    was nearing the end, but you chose to ignore the warnings and not
    address the issue of replacing the the motor - say last year instead of
    yesterday.

    The manufacturer uses rivets to hold the window motor in place. To
    remove the motor the rivets have to be drilled out - not to hard to do,
    inconvenient yes, but on the assembly line it saves time by not having
    to use nuts & bolts and two wrenches. Nuts & bolts are what are used
    when a replacement motor is needed, but GM replacement units do give you
    rivets if you want to reuse rivets.

    I've only replaced one window motor when my car was 8 years old. The
    driver side was stopping on the up cycle, but would go up after 3-4
    minutes. I took my time & it took maybe three hours to complete the job.

    Good Luck on the other 3 windows.

    harryface
    05 Park Avenue 44,595
    91 Bonneville 307, 156


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    buggz@hoohoo.com
    Guest

    Default Re: &$%^#)&* Power Windows

    On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 21:28:02 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net>
    wrote:

    >
    ><buggz@hoohoo.com> wrote in message
    >news:v3esd2hct98hgvaieni0kd7ujsaqodeask@4ax.com.. .
    >> That sucks about the newer cars. I really never want another car with
    >> power windows. This must be why they say Americans are getting soft,
    >> if people dont have enough muscle to crank a window up by hand.
    >>

    >
    >It is not about soft or not having enough muscle. It is about convenience.
    >Some of us like the ability and safety of being able to raise or lower
    >windows, other than the driver's, while driving. Not long ago I was
    >driving a rented Stratus. It was plain awkward to lower the window at a
    >toll booth. The handle was low and forward on the door. I decided at the
    >first toll booth that I've never buy one with manual windows.
    >


    I guess for some people this is a convenience. For me, who fixes my
    own cars, its nothing but a pain and an annoyance. I drive older cars
    and this is the first car I ever had with these things. I hope it's
    the last. I never had any trouble with the old crank windows, unless
    they got stiff (which just meant they needed some oil and grease, and
    all was well again).

    I think our whole society is going crazy with all this "convenience"
    crap. It's funny, because yesterday I went to Walmart. I had to take
    a shit so I go in the restroom. I find the toilet is full of someone
    elses shit. Well, I am not going to use it that way, and it has a
    sensor flush thingie. There is no way I can make it flush without
    standing or sitting in front of that idiotic thing. Fortunately the
    other stall was empty, so I go to that one. Halfway thru doing my
    business, the toilet just flushes while I am sitting on it. Like I
    really want water splashing up my ass. After a few cuss words I move
    on to the sinks. There are 4 of them in a row, all have sensors. I
    wave my hands in front of one of them, get no water, so I go to the
    next, and the next. The 4th one finally decided to work, but stopped
    halfway thru, and would not restart. I finally got the second one ot
    work to complete washing my hands. Instead of one simple arm movement
    to turn on a faucet, I spent several minutes waving my hands around
    like an idiot to get any water, and wasted several minutes to do it.

    Things like this are not convenience, they are assenine.
    If they always worked as intended, they might be a convenience, but
    they dont. Maybe if they were maintained and repaired every week or
    so, they would work better, but look at all the extra expense for
    maintenance and costly parts. Guess who pays for all of that? The
    customer pays in higher prices. Give me a plain old flush handle
    toilet, and a plain faucet with a handle. Yes, go ahead and use a
    spring back handle so I dont leave the water running.

    I wont even get into the part about the electric hand dryers.... I
    hate those damn things....

    Yeah, this is off topic of autos, but it's just that our society seems
    to have gone crazy with convenience crap that's not a convenience at
    all. It's an annoyance or worse.....

    One other thing. If someone was to have a wreck and need to get out
    of a car quickly because of a fire, it's unlikely the power windows
    will work, since many fires start from electrical problems. The old
    crank will always work unless the car was smashed into on that door.
    Now tell me which is safer? I know that I cant even open or close the
    windows in my car unless I insert the key and flip the ignition
    switch. I find that extremely INCONVENIENT when it starts raining and
    I have to run outside to raise the car windows. I get out there, and
    forgot the keys are in the house. By the time I get back in the house
    grab keys, go back to the car, I am soaked and so are the car seats.
    "Convenience" ??????? NOT !!!!!!

    What's a convenience for one person is not for another !!!

    Buggz

  10. #10
    Edwin Pawlowski
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    "Harry Face" <Harryface9105@webtv.net> wrote in message
    news:2054-44DEBF34-40@storefull-3318.bay.webtv.net...
    > Geez, after almost 17 years of service your window motor dies and you go
    > berserk. Parts wear out. Parts needs to be replaced. Why can't people
    > understand this ? Your lucky you got that many years out of the window
    > motor.
    >
    >
    > If I were you the simplest thing to do would of been to unplug the wire
    > connector to the power window switch once you got the glass up, that way
    > nobody could open the window anymore.



    Ii agree about the 17 years. My LeSabre rear windows went out at 5 years.
    They have rarely been used and the only reason they were used when they
    broke was I accidentally hit the wrong button. To make matters worse, they
    don't stay up. The cable, not the motor is the problem so they have to be
    propped in place. That pissed me off. One broke, I'd say it was "shit
    happens", but two in a few months, that is poor quality material/design.

    My Regal just lost a rear window, but at 16 years old, I'm not concerned
    about that because of the age.

    Unlike the OP, my next car will still have power window.



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