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  1. #1
    SHOMan
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    Default 2000 Impala 3800 - Rattle / Loud Click on startup

    Help!

    Our 2000 Impala w/3800 V6 is making a ticking/rattling type of sound
    upon startup in the AM. It goes away (or gets so quiet you can't hear
    it) when you put it in gear. After a few miles of driving, the sound
    goes away entirely.

    I first heard this noise during the warranty period and the dealer
    could not reproduce the problem. Then the transmission failed at 46K,
    and we had it rebuilt. After the rebuild, I noted the noise again and
    called the tranny shop. They suggested it was probably an engine
    problem, so we took it to our maintenance shop and they could not
    reproduce the noise until my wife came to pick up the car and started
    it up. They listen and are quite sure it is a tranny issue. So, we
    take it to the tranny shop (which also has an full-service engine
    repair shop next door) and they can't reproduce the problem until my
    wife goes to pick up the car. They get an engine guy and a tranny guy
    out there to listen and they believe it is an engine problem. We bring
    it back to them a couple of days later so they can cold-start it, and
    after some diagnosis, the engine guys send it back to the tranny guys.
    The tranny guys then proceed to pull the transmission, replace the pump
    and the TC, reinstall tranny and THE NOISE IS STILL THERE.

    They state they are stumped and don't know what could be causing the
    noise. I call the dealer and ask about "piston slap" as a possible
    cause. "not on the 3800" he says.

    Has anyone seen this issue before? What could be causing this rattling
    noise that goes away when you put it gear and drive a little.

    Sorry for the long-winded post. Thanks in advance for any ideas. We
    are at wits end.




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  2. #2
    Shep
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    Default Re: 2000 Impala 3800 - Rattle / Loud Click on startup

    Does it go away if you just let it run?, not drive it. When and how did it
    start? In this environment for us to diagnose a noise that several
    mechanics are unable to, is just about impossible. Check with the dealer see
    if there are any tsb's relating to this condition.
    "SHOMan" <ericksonjm@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:1156377854.389139.229670@i42g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
    > Help!
    >
    > Our 2000 Impala w/3800 V6 is making a ticking/rattling type of sound
    > upon startup in the AM. It goes away (or gets so quiet you can't hear
    > it) when you put it in gear. After a few miles of driving, the sound
    > goes away entirely.
    >
    > I first heard this noise during the warranty period and the dealer
    > could not reproduce the problem. Then the transmission failed at 46K,
    > and we had it rebuilt. After the rebuild, I noted the noise again and
    > called the tranny shop. They suggested it was probably an engine
    > problem, so we took it to our maintenance shop and they could not
    > reproduce the noise until my wife came to pick up the car and started
    > it up. They listen and are quite sure it is a tranny issue. So, we
    > take it to the tranny shop (which also has an full-service engine
    > repair shop next door) and they can't reproduce the problem until my
    > wife goes to pick up the car. They get an engine guy and a tranny guy
    > out there to listen and they believe it is an engine problem. We bring
    > it back to them a couple of days later so they can cold-start it, and
    > after some diagnosis, the engine guys send it back to the tranny guys.
    > The tranny guys then proceed to pull the transmission, replace the pump
    > and the TC, reinstall tranny and THE NOISE IS STILL THERE.
    >
    > They state they are stumped and don't know what could be causing the
    > noise. I call the dealer and ask about "piston slap" as a possible
    > cause. "not on the 3800" he says.
    >
    > Has anyone seen this issue before? What could be causing this rattling
    > noise that goes away when you put it gear and drive a little.
    >
    > Sorry for the long-winded post. Thanks in advance for any ideas. We
    > are at wits end.
    >




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    SHOMan
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    Default Re: 2000 Impala 3800 - Rattle / Loud Click on startup

    It have not let the engine run it for a long time without driving, so I
    can't answer the questions. I have let it run for several minutes
    (10-12) while trying to determine where the noise is coming from, but
    it does not go away. The noise seems to be coming from the top of the
    engine on the drivers side. Driving the vehicle for a few miles makes
    the sound go away. No codes, no drivability issues. Just a lot of
    concern about the interaction between the noise and putting the car
    into gear (which makes it go away). Given that the tranny failed at
    46k, I would like to understand why putting the car in gear makes the
    sound go away.

    I do realize that it is going to be next to impossible for anyone to
    diagnose, but I was hoping that someone may have had similar
    experience.

    I will be taking it to the dealer tomorrow night for a cold-start test
    on Friday AM. Looking to gather any information I can to give to the
    dealer.

    I have read a couple of posts on ImpalaHQ.com that pertain to engine
    rattle on cold-start, and in those cases the dealer says this is normal
    for the vehicle (stock answer when they can't figure out the problem).

    Thanks for the reply Shep.



    Shep wrote:
    > Does it go away if you just let it run?, not drive it. When and how did it
    > start? In this environment for us to diagnose a noise that several
    > mechanics are unable to, is just about impossible. Check with the dealer see
    > if there are any tsb's relating to this condition.
    > "SHOMan" <ericksonjm@gmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:1156377854.389139.229670@i42g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
    > > Help!
    > >
    > > Our 2000 Impala w/3800 V6 is making a ticking/rattling type of sound
    > > upon startup in the AM. It goes away (or gets so quiet you can't hear
    > > it) when you put it in gear. After a few miles of driving, the sound
    > > goes away entirely.
    > >
    > > I first heard this noise during the warranty period and the dealer
    > > could not reproduce the problem. Then the transmission failed at 46K,
    > > and we had it rebuilt. After the rebuild, I noted the noise again and
    > > called the tranny shop. They suggested it was probably an engine
    > > problem, so we took it to our maintenance shop and they could not
    > > reproduce the noise until my wife came to pick up the car and started
    > > it up. They listen and are quite sure it is a tranny issue. So, we
    > > take it to the tranny shop (which also has an full-service engine
    > > repair shop next door) and they can't reproduce the problem until my
    > > wife goes to pick up the car. They get an engine guy and a tranny guy
    > > out there to listen and they believe it is an engine problem. We bring
    > > it back to them a couple of days later so they can cold-start it, and
    > > after some diagnosis, the engine guys send it back to the tranny guys.
    > > The tranny guys then proceed to pull the transmission, replace the pump
    > > and the TC, reinstall tranny and THE NOISE IS STILL THERE.
    > >
    > > They state they are stumped and don't know what could be causing the
    > > noise. I call the dealer and ask about "piston slap" as a possible
    > > cause. "not on the 3800" he says.
    > >
    > > Has anyone seen this issue before? What could be causing this rattling
    > > noise that goes away when you put it gear and drive a little.
    > >
    > > Sorry for the long-winded post. Thanks in advance for any ideas. We
    > > are at wits end.
    > >

    >
    >
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  4. #4
    SHOMan
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    Default Re: 2000 Impala 3800 - Rattle / Loud Click on startup

    Forgot to mention, when it started. We bought the vehicle new, and I
    noticed the issue at about 22K, nearly three years after purchase.
    Took to the dealer at that time and could not reproduce. It is the
    wifes car, and she plays the radio so loud, she never hears any noise
    until it is too late. How did it start? As far as I know, there are
    no specific events related to this problem starting. It has been
    intermittent until recently.

    Thanks again.


    SHOMan wrote:
    > It have not let the engine run it for a long time without driving, so I
    > can't answer the questions. I have let it run for several minutes
    > (10-12) while trying to determine where the noise is coming from, but
    > it does not go away. The noise seems to be coming from the top of the
    > engine on the drivers side. Driving the vehicle for a few miles makes
    > the sound go away. No codes, no drivability issues. Just a lot of
    > concern about the interaction between the noise and putting the car
    > into gear (which makes it go away). Given that the tranny failed at
    > 46k, I would like to understand why putting the car in gear makes the
    > sound go away.
    >
    > I do realize that it is going to be next to impossible for anyone to
    > diagnose, but I was hoping that someone may have had similar
    > experience.
    >
    > I will be taking it to the dealer tomorrow night for a cold-start test
    > on Friday AM. Looking to gather any information I can to give to the
    > dealer.
    >
    > I have read a couple of posts on ImpalaHQ.com that pertain to engine
    > rattle on cold-start, and in those cases the dealer says this is normal
    > for the vehicle (stock answer when they can't figure out the problem).
    >
    > Thanks for the reply Shep.
    >
    >
    >
    > Shep wrote:
    > > Does it go away if you just let it run?, not drive it. When and how did it
    > > start? In this environment for us to diagnose a noise that several
    > > mechanics are unable to, is just about impossible. Check with the dealer see
    > > if there are any tsb's relating to this condition.
    > > "SHOMan" <ericksonjm@gmail.com> wrote in message
    > > news:1156377854.389139.229670@i42g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
    > > > Help!
    > > >
    > > > Our 2000 Impala w/3800 V6 is making a ticking/rattling type of sound
    > > > upon startup in the AM. It goes away (or gets so quiet you can't hear
    > > > it) when you put it in gear. After a few miles of driving, the sound
    > > > goes away entirely.
    > > >
    > > > I first heard this noise during the warranty period and the dealer
    > > > could not reproduce the problem. Then the transmission failed at 46K,
    > > > and we had it rebuilt. After the rebuild, I noted the noise again and
    > > > called the tranny shop. They suggested it was probably an engine
    > > > problem, so we took it to our maintenance shop and they could not
    > > > reproduce the noise until my wife came to pick up the car and started
    > > > it up. They listen and are quite sure it is a tranny issue. So, we
    > > > take it to the tranny shop (which also has an full-service engine
    > > > repair shop next door) and they can't reproduce the problem until my
    > > > wife goes to pick up the car. They get an engine guy and a tranny guy
    > > > out there to listen and they believe it is an engine problem. We bring
    > > > it back to them a couple of days later so they can cold-start it, and
    > > > after some diagnosis, the engine guys send it back to the tranny guys.
    > > > The tranny guys then proceed to pull the transmission, replace the pump
    > > > and the TC, reinstall tranny and THE NOISE IS STILL THERE.
    > > >
    > > > They state they are stumped and don't know what could be causing the
    > > > noise. I call the dealer and ask about "piston slap" as a possible
    > > > cause. "not on the 3800" he says.
    > > >
    > > > Has anyone seen this issue before? What could be causing this rattling
    > > > noise that goes away when you put it gear and drive a little.
    > > >
    > > > Sorry for the long-winded post. Thanks in advance for any ideas. We
    > > > are at wits end.
    > > >

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  5. #5
    Eugene Nine
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    Default Re: 2000 Impala 3800 - Rattle / Loud Click on startup

    SHOMan wrote:

    > Forgot to mention, when it started. We bought the vehicle new, and I
    > noticed the issue at about 22K, nearly three years after purchase.
    > Took to the dealer at that time and could not reproduce. It is the
    > wifes car, and she plays the radio so loud, she never hears any noise
    > until it is too late. How did it start? As far as I know, there are
    > no specific events related to this problem starting. It has been
    > intermittent until recently.
    >
    > Thanks again.
    >

    So you can get it to make the noise with the hood up? If it makes the
    noise, shut the engine off and restart it and see if it still makes the
    noise. Then you can start to isolate external parts.

  6. #6
    Shep
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    Default Re: 2000 Impala 3800 - Rattle / Loud Click on startup

    I believe there is a tsb for a chain drive support bearing in the trans that
    has your general symptoms, check your dealer or trans shop.
    "SHOMan" <ericksonjm@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:1156381501.515598.323810@m73g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
    > Forgot to mention, when it started. We bought the vehicle new, and I
    > noticed the issue at about 22K, nearly three years after purchase.
    > Took to the dealer at that time and could not reproduce. It is the
    > wifes car, and she plays the radio so loud, she never hears any noise
    > until it is too late. How did it start? As far as I know, there are
    > no specific events related to this problem starting. It has been
    > intermittent until recently.
    >
    > Thanks again.
    >
    >
    > SHOMan wrote:
    >> It have not let the engine run it for a long time without driving, so I
    >> can't answer the questions. I have let it run for several minutes
    >> (10-12) while trying to determine where the noise is coming from, but
    >> it does not go away. The noise seems to be coming from the top of the
    >> engine on the drivers side. Driving the vehicle for a few miles makes
    >> the sound go away. No codes, no drivability issues. Just a lot of
    >> concern about the interaction between the noise and putting the car
    >> into gear (which makes it go away). Given that the tranny failed at
    >> 46k, I would like to understand why putting the car in gear makes the
    >> sound go away.
    >>
    >> I do realize that it is going to be next to impossible for anyone to
    >> diagnose, but I was hoping that someone may have had similar
    >> experience.
    >>
    >> I will be taking it to the dealer tomorrow night for a cold-start test
    >> on Friday AM. Looking to gather any information I can to give to the
    >> dealer.
    >>
    >> I have read a couple of posts on ImpalaHQ.com that pertain to engine
    >> rattle on cold-start, and in those cases the dealer says this is normal
    >> for the vehicle (stock answer when they can't figure out the problem).
    >>
    >> Thanks for the reply Shep.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Shep wrote:
    >> > Does it go away if you just let it run?, not drive it. When and how did
    >> > it
    >> > start? In this environment for us to diagnose a noise that several
    >> > mechanics are unable to, is just about impossible. Check with the
    >> > dealer see
    >> > if there are any tsb's relating to this condition.
    >> > "SHOMan" <ericksonjm@gmail.com> wrote in message
    >> > news:1156377854.389139.229670@i42g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
    >> > > Help!
    >> > >
    >> > > Our 2000 Impala w/3800 V6 is making a ticking/rattling type of sound
    >> > > upon startup in the AM. It goes away (or gets so quiet you can't
    >> > > hear
    >> > > it) when you put it in gear. After a few miles of driving, the sound
    >> > > goes away entirely.
    >> > >
    >> > > I first heard this noise during the warranty period and the dealer
    >> > > could not reproduce the problem. Then the transmission failed at
    >> > > 46K,
    >> > > and we had it rebuilt. After the rebuild, I noted the noise again
    >> > > and
    >> > > called the tranny shop. They suggested it was probably an engine
    >> > > problem, so we took it to our maintenance shop and they could not
    >> > > reproduce the noise until my wife came to pick up the car and started
    >> > > it up. They listen and are quite sure it is a tranny issue. So, we
    >> > > take it to the tranny shop (which also has an full-service engine
    >> > > repair shop next door) and they can't reproduce the problem until my
    >> > > wife goes to pick up the car. They get an engine guy and a tranny
    >> > > guy
    >> > > out there to listen and they believe it is an engine problem. We
    >> > > bring
    >> > > it back to them a couple of days later so they can cold-start it, and
    >> > > after some diagnosis, the engine guys send it back to the tranny
    >> > > guys.
    >> > > The tranny guys then proceed to pull the transmission, replace the
    >> > > pump
    >> > > and the TC, reinstall tranny and THE NOISE IS STILL THERE.
    >> > >
    >> > > They state they are stumped and don't know what could be causing the
    >> > > noise. I call the dealer and ask about "piston slap" as a possible
    >> > > cause. "not on the 3800" he says.
    >> > >
    >> > > Has anyone seen this issue before? What could be causing this
    >> > > rattling
    >> > > noise that goes away when you put it gear and drive a little.
    >> > >
    >> > > Sorry for the long-winded post. Thanks in advance for any ideas. We
    >> > > are at wits end.
    >> > >
    >> >
    >> >
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  7. #7
    SHOMan
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    Default Re: 2000 Impala 3800 - Rattle / Loud Click on startup


    Eugene Nine wrote:
    > SHOMan wrote:
    >
    > > Forgot to mention, when it started. We bought the vehicle new, and I
    > > noticed the issue at about 22K, nearly three years after purchase.
    > > Took to the dealer at that time and could not reproduce. It is the
    > > wifes car, and she plays the radio so loud, she never hears any noise
    > > until it is too late. How did it start? As far as I know, there are
    > > no specific events related to this problem starting. It has been
    > > intermittent until recently.
    > >
    > > Thanks again.
    > >

    > So you can get it to make the noise with the hood up? If it makes the
    > noise, shut the engine off and restart it and see if it still makes the
    > noise. Then you can start to isolate external parts.


    It makes the noise whether the hood is up or not. The noise is
    emanating from the area where the tranny is bolted onto the engine. I
    found no evidence of loose parts that could be causing the rattle, and
    further, the speed of the "tapping" goes up and down when you rev the
    motor, suggesting an internal part. It sounds a lot like someone is
    hitting the block with a piece of metal.


  8. #8
    KjunRaven
    Guest

    Default Re: 2000 Impala 3800 - Rattle / Loud Click on startup

    "SHOMan" <ericksonjm@gmail.com> wrote in news:1156377854.389139.229670
    @i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

    > Help!
    >
    > Our 2000 Impala w/3800 V6 is making a ticking/rattling type of sound
    > upon startup in the AM. It goes away (or gets so quiet you can't hear
    > it) when you put it in gear. After a few miles of driving, the sound
    > goes away entirely.
    >
    > I first heard this noise during the warranty period and the dealer
    > could not reproduce the problem. Then the transmission failed at 46K,
    > and we had it rebuilt. After the rebuild, I noted the noise again and
    > called the tranny shop. They suggested it was probably an engine
    > problem, so we took it to our maintenance shop and they could not
    > reproduce the noise until my wife came to pick up the car and started
    > it up. They listen and are quite sure it is a tranny issue. So, we
    > take it to the tranny shop (which also has an full-service engine
    > repair shop next door) and they can't reproduce the problem until my
    > wife goes to pick up the car. They get an engine guy and a tranny guy
    > out there to listen and they believe it is an engine problem. We bring
    > it back to them a couple of days later so they can cold-start it, and
    > after some diagnosis, the engine guys send it back to the tranny guys.
    > The tranny guys then proceed to pull the transmission, replace the pump
    > and the TC, reinstall tranny and THE NOISE IS STILL THERE.
    >
    > They state they are stumped and don't know what could be causing the
    > noise. I call the dealer and ask about "piston slap" as a possible
    > cause. "not on the 3800" he says.
    >
    > Has anyone seen this issue before? What could be causing this rattling
    > noise that goes away when you put it gear and drive a little.
    >
    > Sorry for the long-winded post. Thanks in advance for any ideas. We
    > are at wits end.
    >


    you can sure worry yourself to death about that chain noise but it would
    be much easier to accept it as normal......cause it is. i didnt say it
    was pleasant, just that it was normal.........kjun

  9. #9
    JQ
    Guest

    Default Re: 2000 Impala 3800 - Rattle / Loud Click on startup

    This reminds me of my buddy's Ford F150 truck, it would rattle upon
    start up, and the noise would bounce around so bad it was hard to
    pinpoint it, and the ticking speed correlated to the rpms. Thus, when
    we'd switch between Park and Drive the rpms would change and so would
    the ticking speed and volume, which is why we thought it was internal
    and tranny related. When driving it was less noticeable but still
    audible enough to annoy. After a few miles of driving his truck and
    reaching normal temp his rpms would drop to normal at idle and the ticks
    would *almost* disappear.
    Anyways, it ended up being external, it was one of the brackets used
    to lift the engine out of the truck. It was connected to the exhaust
    manifold and one of the two studs that held the bracket was broken and
    causing it to rattle like crazy. The way we found it was I grabbed a
    hold of the bracket and it muffled the ticks. Not that I recommend
    grabbing random parts with the engine running. Maybe using a prod
    extension to feel around the engine to feel where the vibration is
    strongest might help. Just a random thought.


    SHOMan wrote:
    > Help!
    >
    > Our 2000 Impala w/3800 V6 is making a ticking/rattling type of sound
    > upon startup in the AM. It goes away (or gets so quiet you can't hear
    > it) when you put it in gear. After a few miles of driving, the sound
    > goes away entirely. <snip>


  10. #10
    SHOMan
    Guest

    Default Re: 2000 Impala 3800 - Rattle / Loud Click on startup

    KJun,

    If it is normal, then why is the loaner Impala (same motor) we got from
    the dealer quiet as can be?

    The dealer has diagnosed it as a tranny issue, and it will be going
    back to the tranny shop where the owner states he will install "new"
    rebuilt tranny.

    Thanks to all who have replied. Very much appreciated.



    KjunRaven wrote:
    > "SHOMan" <ericksonjm@gmail.com> wrote in news:1156377854.389139.229670
    > @i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
    >
    > > Help!
    > >
    > > Our 2000 Impala w/3800 V6 is making a ticking/rattling type of sound
    > > upon startup in the AM. It goes away (or gets so quiet you can't hear
    > > it) when you put it in gear. After a few miles of driving, the sound
    > > goes away entirely.
    > >
    > > I first heard this noise during the warranty period and the dealer
    > > could not reproduce the problem. Then the transmission failed at 46K,
    > > and we had it rebuilt. After the rebuild, I noted the noise again and
    > > called the tranny shop. They suggested it was probably an engine
    > > problem, so we took it to our maintenance shop and they could not
    > > reproduce the noise until my wife came to pick up the car and started
    > > it up. They listen and are quite sure it is a tranny issue. So, we
    > > take it to the tranny shop (which also has an full-service engine
    > > repair shop next door) and they can't reproduce the problem until my
    > > wife goes to pick up the car. They get an engine guy and a tranny guy
    > > out there to listen and they believe it is an engine problem. We bring
    > > it back to them a couple of days later so they can cold-start it, and
    > > after some diagnosis, the engine guys send it back to the tranny guys.
    > > The tranny guys then proceed to pull the transmission, replace the pump
    > > and the TC, reinstall tranny and THE NOISE IS STILL THERE.
    > >
    > > They state they are stumped and don't know what could be causing the
    > > noise. I call the dealer and ask about "piston slap" as a possible
    > > cause. "not on the 3800" he says.
    > >
    > > Has anyone seen this issue before? What could be causing this rattling
    > > noise that goes away when you put it gear and drive a little.
    > >
    > > Sorry for the long-winded post. Thanks in advance for any ideas. We
    > > are at wits end.
    > >

    >
    > you can sure worry yourself to death about that chain noise but it would
    > be much easier to accept it as normal......cause it is. i didnt say it
    > was pleasant, just that it was normal.........kjun



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