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    C. E. White
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    Default NUMMI Story on "This American Life"

    http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radi...sode/403/nummi

    I listened to this yesterday. Very pro-Toyota and anti-GM. Completely one
    sided since the only GM people they interviewed were connected to NUMI. Most
    seemed bitter. I think they greatly over simplified the story in order to
    praise Toyota. It really made the UAW look bad. Typical NPR stuff., but
    still it was interesting.





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    jim beam
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    On 03/28/2010 02:04 PM, C. E. White wrote:
    > http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radi...sode/403/nummi
    >
    > I listened to this yesterday. Very pro-Toyota and anti-GM. Completely
    > one sided since the only GM people they interviewed were connected to
    > NUMI. Most seemed bitter. I think they greatly over simplified the story
    > in order to praise Toyota. It really made the UAW look bad. Typical NPR
    > stuff., but still it was interesting.
    >
    >


    did they mention the fact that g.m. exports its jobs to, and imports
    componentry from china? or did they simply point out that toyota
    creates american jobs and buys their componentry from american
    manufacturers? i doubt they said that japan is an ally and that china
    is not. or that american taxpayer support of companies that export
    their business and jobs to a country that completely disrespects human
    rights, democracy or intellectual property is nothing short of fraud.

    you're perpetrating a fraud ed. you should hang your head in shame.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shill
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfer
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraudience


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    nomina rutrum rutrum

  3. #3
    Mike Hunter
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    It looks like Toyotas propaganda has you convinced. LOL


    "jim beam" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
    news:Fo-dnVpSIp1PdjLWnZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d@speakeasy.net...
    > On 03/28/2010 02:04 PM, C. E. White wrote:
    >> http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radi...sode/403/nummi
    >>
    >> I listened to this yesterday. Very pro-Toyota and anti-GM. Completely
    >> one sided since the only GM people they interviewed were connected to
    >> NUMI. Most seemed bitter. I think they greatly over simplified the story
    >> in order to praise Toyota. It really made the UAW look bad. Typical NPR
    >> stuff., but still it was interesting.
    >>
    >>

    >
    > did they mention the fact that g.m. exports its jobs to, and imports
    > componentry from china? or did they simply point out that toyota creates
    > american jobs and buys their componentry from american manufacturers? i
    > doubt they said that japan is an ally and that china is not. or that
    > american taxpayer support of companies that export their business and jobs
    > to a country that completely disrespects human rights, democracy or
    > intellectual property is nothing short of fraud.
    >
    > you're perpetrating a fraud ed. you should hang your head in shame.
    > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shill
    > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfer
    > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraudience
    >
    >
    > --
    > nomina rutrum rutrum




  4. #4
    JoeSpareBedroom
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    Default Re: NUMMI Story on "This American Life"

    What percentage of Toyota parts are sourced from a communist dictatorship?
    Show your source when you respond.



    "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2@lycos,com> wrote in message
    news:4bafed86$0$19673$ce5e7886@news-radius.ptd.net...
    > It looks like Toyotas propaganda has you convinced. LOL
    >
    >
    > "jim beam" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
    > news:Fo-dnVpSIp1PdjLWnZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d@speakeasy.net...
    >> On 03/28/2010 02:04 PM, C. E. White wrote:
    >>> http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radi...sode/403/nummi
    >>>
    >>> I listened to this yesterday. Very pro-Toyota and anti-GM. Completely
    >>> one sided since the only GM people they interviewed were connected to
    >>> NUMI. Most seemed bitter. I think they greatly over simplified the story
    >>> in order to praise Toyota. It really made the UAW look bad. Typical NPR
    >>> stuff., but still it was interesting.
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >> did they mention the fact that g.m. exports its jobs to, and imports
    >> componentry from china? or did they simply point out that toyota creates
    >> american jobs and buys their componentry from american manufacturers? i
    >> doubt they said that japan is an ally and that china is not. or that
    >> american taxpayer support of companies that export their business and
    >> jobs to a country that completely disrespects human rights, democracy or
    >> intellectual property is nothing short of fraud.
    >>
    >> you're perpetrating a fraud ed. you should hang your head in shame.
    >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shill
    >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfer
    >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraudience
    >>
    >>
    >> --
    >> nomina rutrum rutrum

    >
    >




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    Canuck57
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    Default Re: NUMMI Story on "This American Life"

    On 28/03/2010 5:52 PM, jim beam wrote:
    > On 03/28/2010 02:04 PM, C. E. White wrote:
    >> http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radi...sode/403/nummi
    >>
    >> I listened to this yesterday. Very pro-Toyota and anti-GM. Completely
    >> one sided since the only GM people they interviewed were connected to
    >> NUMI. Most seemed bitter. I think they greatly over simplified the story
    >> in order to praise Toyota. It really made the UAW look bad. Typical NPR
    >> stuff., but still it was interesting.
    >>
    >>

    >
    > did they mention the fact that g.m. exports its jobs to, and imports
    > componentry from china? or did they simply point out that toyota creates
    > american jobs and buys their componentry from american manufacturers? i
    > doubt they said that japan is an ally and that china is not. or that
    > american taxpayer support of companies that export their business and
    > jobs to a country that completely disrespects human rights, democracy or
    > intellectual property is nothing short of fraud.
    >
    > you're perpetrating a fraud ed. you should hang your head in shame.
    > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shill
    > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfer
    > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraudience


    Are you still holding onto the myth that GM's bailout was ever about jobs?

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    Politicians don't provide anything, the tax payers do.

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    dbu''
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    Default Re: NUMMI Story on "This American Life"

    Another cross-postie, kf it goes, bye-bye.



    In article <G96dnVfJfLXoWTLWnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@earthlink.com> ,
    "C. E. White" <cewhite3remove@mindspring.com> wrote:

    > http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radi...sode/403/nummi
    >
    > I listened to this yesterday. Very pro-Toyota and anti-GM. Completely one
    > sided since the only GM people they interviewed were connected to NUMI. Most
    > seemed bitter. I think they greatly over simplified the story in order to
    > praise Toyota. It really made the UAW look bad. Typical NPR stuff., but
    > still it was interesting.

    --


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    hls
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    Default Re: NUMMI Story on "This American Life"


    "C. E. White" <cewhite3remove@mindspring.com> wrote in message
    news:G96dnVfJfLXoWTLWnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@earthlink.co m...
    > http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radi...sode/403/nummi
    >
    > I listened to this yesterday. Very pro-Toyota and anti-GM. Completely one
    > sided since the only GM people they interviewed were connected to NUMI.
    > Most seemed bitter. I think they greatly over simplified the story in
    > order to praise Toyota. It really made the UAW look bad. Typical NPR
    > stuff., but still it was interesting.
    >


    When I first read about NUMMI, it seemed that Toyota got into this
    thing as an accomodation to GM. When GM folded, there was no
    reason to continue, this most expensive manufacturing site in America.

    I could be wrong. If GM had no alternative, then neither did Toyota.


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    charlesgrozny
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    "hls" <hls@nospam.nix> wrote in message
    news:0uudncQpRJf3bzLWnZ2dnUVZ_rCdnZ2d@giganews.com ...
    >
    > "C. E. White" <cewhite3remove@mindspring.com> wrote in message
    > news:G96dnVfJfLXoWTLWnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@earthlink.co m...
    >> http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radi...sode/403/nummi
    >>
    >> I listened to this yesterday. Very pro-Toyota and anti-GM. Completely one
    >> sided since the only GM people they interviewed were connected to NUMI.
    >> Most seemed bitter. I think they greatly over simplified the story in
    >> order to praise Toyota. It really made the UAW look bad. Typical NPR
    >> stuff., but still it was interesting.
    >>

    >
    > When I first read about NUMMI, it seemed that Toyota got into this
    > thing as an accomodation to GM. When GM folded, there was no
    > reason to continue, this most expensive manufacturing site in America.
    >
    > I could be wrong. If GM had no alternative, then neither did Toyota.


    I had hoped that GM would learn why Toyota was able to sell its Corolla from
    NUMMI (I'm driving one) for $1000 or so more than the Geo Prism that came
    down the same line and was worked on by the same workers. They didn't.

    Charles Grozny



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    dr_jeff
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    Default Re: NUMMI Story on "This American Life"

    jim beam wrote:
    > On 03/28/2010 02:04 PM, C. E. White wrote:
    >> http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radi...sode/403/nummi
    >>
    >> I listened to this yesterday. Very pro-Toyota and anti-GM. Completely
    >> one sided since the only GM people they interviewed were connected to
    >> NUMI. Most seemed bitter. I think they greatly over simplified the story
    >> in order to praise Toyota. It really made the UAW look bad. Typical NPR
    >> stuff., but still it was interesting.
    >>
    >>

    >
    > did they mention the fact that g.m. exports its jobs to, and imports
    > componentry from china?


    What components and how much does it import from China? Does GM have
    Chinese partners who, together, make cars for the Chinese market,
    thereby moving GM into a new market?

    > or did they simply point out that toyota
    > creates american jobs and buys their componentry from american
    > manufacturers?


    Toyota does import many of its parts (more than the Michigan 3).

    > i doubt they said that japan is an ally and that china
    > is not. or that american taxpayer support of companies that export
    > their business and jobs to a country that completely disrespects human
    > rights, democracy or intellectual property is nothing short of fraud.


    The alternative is to let poor people in China stay poor.

    JEff

    > you're perpetrating a fraud ed. you should hang your head in shame.
    > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shill
    > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfer
    > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraudience
    >
    >


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    Bob Cooper
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    In article <jOWdnfKCEJsuYTLWnZ2dnUVZ_gmdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
    n5hsr@sprynet.com says...
    >
    > "hls" <hls@nospam.nix> wrote in message
    > news:0uudncQpRJf3bzLWnZ2dnUVZ_rCdnZ2d@giganews.com ...
    > >
    > > "C. E. White" <cewhite3remove@mindspring.com> wrote in message
    > > news:G96dnVfJfLXoWTLWnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@earthlink.co m...
    > >> http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radi...sode/403/nummi
    > >>
    > >> I listened to this yesterday. Very pro-Toyota and anti-GM. Completely one
    > >> sided since the only GM people they interviewed were connected to NUMI.
    > >> Most seemed bitter. I think they greatly over simplified the story in
    > >> order to praise Toyota. It really made the UAW look bad. Typical NPR
    > >> stuff., but still it was interesting.
    > >>

    > >
    > > When I first read about NUMMI, it seemed that Toyota got into this
    > > thing as an accomodation to GM. When GM folded, there was no
    > > reason to continue, this most expensive manufacturing site in America.
    > >
    > > I could be wrong. If GM had no alternative, then neither did Toyota.

    >
    > I had hoped that GM would learn why Toyota was able to sell its Corolla from
    > NUMMI (I'm driving one) for $1000 or so more than the Geo Prism that came
    > down the same line and was worked on by the same workers. They didn't.
    >
    > Charles Grozny


    A relative has had a Prism for many years. Good car.
    I had hoped that consumers would learn not to pay $1000 more for the
    Corolla. They didn't.
    Resale is better for the Toyota if sold still young.
    But when you get north of 100k miles it starts turning into a net loser
    on that score.

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