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  1. #11
    Snow
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    > The entire Ontario drive clean program is one big load of bullshit. It is a
    > cash-grab, and nothing more. You mention that the 20 year and older cars
    > only make up 1% of the cars on the road (I would give a higher %, but that
    > is besides the point), yet they don't have to be e-tested.


    Most cars 1987 and older are not daily drivers and are driven in summer
    months on weekends..

    > less then 5 model years old, you don't have to pass.


    Not quite right, if they are 5 yrs and newer they don't have to be
    tested. since most new cars have warrenties for 5 yrs and people will
    generally keep their vehicles in top condition for 5 yrs.

    >Also, if you bring your car in to get tested, it fails, and the expense to repair is going >to exceed $600, you don't have to pass either.


    The vehicle can get a conditional pass if the repairs cost over the cap
    (which is only provided for the first two testing periods) when drive
    clean is introduced to a "new" region, after the cap period has run
    its course the vehicle must have all requiered repairs done no matter
    the cost if you want it to pass .

    I'd like them to smog test motorcycles.

    Snow...




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    Joseph
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    umm.... There is one problem though. I just happen to buy this 1987
    car off someone else. So that means it must pass emission before I can
    get it plated and drive it. I am thinking of just let it sit for 3.5
    months (Oct,Nov,Dec) then when the clock rolls over to 2007. Right now
    I have another beater to drive. I will take the safety certificate to
    the MTO and get it plated. That is if we are all correct about it not
    requiring an emission in 2007. What do you think.

    Snow wrote:
    > If the vehicle is 1987 and older it will be exempt since its last
    > required testing was 2 yrs ago. If the vehicle is 1988 and newer it
    > will have to be tested until it reaches the federally reconized age to
    > classify as "antique" which is 30 years old. So my 89 chev "B" body
    > wagon has to be tested until 2019.
    >
    > Of course this is also dependant on where you live some regions still
    > dont have to do testing.
    >
    > Snow...
    >
    >
    > Joseph wrote:
    > > Could someone please tell me if you own a 1987 vehicle, on which day it
    > > will qualify to be exempted from the Ontario DriveClean emission test?
    > > Does it mean that Jan 1, 2007? Or does it mean Jan 1, 2008 when it
    > > will be exempted?



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    Larry
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    grappletech <noone@removenowhere.biz> wrote in news:1158212770_23479
    @sp6iad.superfeed.net:

    > Thanks for doing your part to help the environment.


    Am I the only one to notice how CLEAN and BLUE the sky was in the week
    after 9/11 when they grounded them all? Not one word, of course, was said
    about it on any of the Propaganda News Channels the corporations run from
    Airline ad money.

    Of course, that also stopped the chemical seeding in all those contrails.
    Go to google and put

    contrails seeding

    into the search engine. There's thousands of websites, now.....and great
    movies on the subject.

    HAARP weapon - be very afraid. www.haarp.com

    Cars aren't polluting the planet beyond repair any more than 2-stroke
    outboard motors are polluting the lakes to death.

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    There's amazing intelligence in the Universe.
    You can tell because none of them ever called Earth.

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    Larry
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    "Snow" <snowbal@sympatico.ca> wrote in news:1158236983.266810.81240
    @p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com:

    > If the vehicle is 1987 and older it will be exempt


    Wonder how many of those Plymouth K cars I see on The Red Green Show are
    still riding around Canada....covered in duct tape...(c;

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    thehick
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    Larry wrote:
    > "Snow" <snowbal@sympatico.ca> wrote in news:1158236983.266810.81240
    > @p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com:
    >
    > > If the vehicle is 1987 and older it will be exempt

    wrong. wrong wrong. a quote from that very same driveclean web-site
    mentioned in the first response:

    The exemption for 20-year-old light-duty vehicles is ending as we
    begin to focus more on the vehicles most likely to pollute. All cars,
    1988 model year and newer, will require emissions testing until
    they are taken out of service. These vehicles would have had their
    last test for registration renewal in 2007, when they were 19
    years old. They will now need to continue to be tested in 2009
    and ever two years after that.

    sorry to bear bad news...thehick


  6. #16
    Zteve20
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    The only "ONLY" reason for the E-Test, is a money grab for the
    government!!!


  7. #17
    Michael Pardee
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    "Larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
    news:Xns983E6B40AD3B3noonehomecom@208.49.80.253...
    >
    > Am I the only one to notice how CLEAN and BLUE the sky was in the week
    > after 9/11 when they grounded them all?


    It was mentioned on one of the 5 year memorial TV shows... but they were
    talking about how remarkably clear the skies were at the time of the WTC
    attack, not after the planes were grounded.

    Mike



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    TeGGeR®
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    Larry <noone@home.com> wrote in
    news:Xns983E6B40AD3B3noonehomecom@208.49.80.253:

    > grappletech <noone@removenowhere.biz> wrote in news:1158212770_23479
    > @sp6iad.superfeed.net:
    >
    >> Thanks for doing your part to help the environment.

    >
    > Am I the only one to notice how CLEAN and BLUE the sky was in the week
    > after 9/11 when they grounded them all?





    Post hoc ergo propter hoc. Common logical error.



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    TeGGeR®
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    "Snow" <snowbal@sympatico.ca> wrote in news:1158236983.266810.81240
    @p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com:

    > If the vehicle is 1987 and older it will be exempt since its last
    > required testing was 2 yrs ago.




    No, its last required testing is this year. The OP will discover this
    when he goes to get his annual sticker.

    In Ontario, you get your sticker renewal notice about 90 days in
    advance, giving you lots of time to get something done about it.



    > If the vehicle is 1988 and newer it
    > will have to be tested until it reaches the federally reconized age to
    > classify as "antique" which is 30 years old.




    Wrong. There is no such DriveClean definition as "antique". Read the
    DriveClean website's description. The ONLY allowance for emissions
    exemption for a post-'87 car is "historic vehicle". And with the advent
    of Premier McSquinty, THEY tell YOU what constitutes a "historic
    vehicle. Simply achieving 30 years old does *NOT* make a car ipso facto
    exempt from smog checks.

    Now if we throw McSquinty's Commies out in the next election, maybe we
    can coax the the next bunch of wanna-be despots into reinstating the 20-
    year rolling exemption... Hey guys, remember this at the polls.


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  10. #20
    ajtessier
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    How about trucks and buses?

    Al

    "80 Knight" <80_knightREMOVEMEPLEASE@rogers.com> wrote in message
    news:LK2dnR1wlJd0cpXYnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@giganews.com ...
    > "grappletech" <noone@removenowhere.biz> wrote in message
    > news:1158212071_23471@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
    >>> The entire Ontario drive clean program is one big load of bullshit. It
    >>> is a cash-grab, and nothing more.

    >>
    >>
    >> Yep. In California, my brother's '87 Civic wasn't passing smog when he
    >> took it in for the smog check in the mid 90's. It almost passed. The
    >> mechanic adjusted the carb so it'd run real lean. It passed but ran like
    >> shit. So after the test, my brother adjusted it back up.

    >
    > Exactly. The e-testing system itself is so flawed, its not even funny. If
    > everyone was doing it, and doing it right, it *may* make a difference.
    > However, with huge factories, airplanes and the like on this world,
    > causing the pollution they do, I can't see how e-testing only a small
    > number of cars is going to change anything.
    >




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