Yeah, it's my 1988 Pontiac 6000 (2.5 - 3-speed auto - 125,000 miles)
with stalling again that I bring up so much in this group - it's got a
little change to it. The other day in the parking lot, I turned my car left
(not touching the gas) to get ready to back into my parking spot. When I
turned left (somewhat sharp - one complete rotation of the steering wheel to
the left) the car stalled. I thought what's new, the car always stalls, but
it normally doesn't stall just from turning the steering wheel and not
pressing the gas. So, I straightened out the steering wheel a little bit
and restarted the car.
I put it in reverse, and the second I pressed the gas, it stalled again.
I put it in park and restarted the car again. It was turning over real
funny this time and I had to keep my foot at least lightly on the gas to
keep it running. (It had no pattern whatsoever for the turning over, so it
was kind of hard to discribe.) I put the car in reverse. (I took my foot
off of the gas when I shifted it into reverse.) I then touched the gas
lightly to back into my spot and it stalled once again. I thought, okay,
I'll give it one more shot. I put it in park again and tried again. It
turned over funny again. I still had to keep my foot on the gas. I put it
in reverse, and tried again - it stalled again. I turned the burgandy,
stalling piece of scrap metal off and waited a minute or two. I then
started the car again. It still turned over funny. I kept my foot on the
gas lightly to keep it running, and I put it into drive this time. I also
kept my foot lightly on the gas the whole time even while shifting from park
into drive. I then had to ride my brakes and keep my foot lightly on the
gas and pulled my car straight into a parking spot as opposed to backing it
up. I finally got the troublemaker parked. Then, during lunch (4 hours
later) I went out to the car and started it up, and it turned over fine and
ran "normal". (It missed and sputtered a little bit.) I then pulled the
car out of the parking spot and backed it into the spot, and it did that
fine.
Now this doesn't make any sense to me with this cars stalling issue(s).
When I turned tight and it stalled, it makes me think there might be a
compression problem. If I have to keep my foot on the gas to keep the car
running, it makes it sound like a fuel problem. When this car stalls a lot
more in reverse than drive (although it has done it in drive before) it
makes me think a transmission problem. This is what I've found out about
the car's stalling habits. (Most of which you have probably seen before if
you've read my posts.) If you goose the gas pedal or need to gun it
suddenly, it sometimes stalls as opposed to letting it roll before pressing
the gas. If you have the steering wheel turned all the way and press the
gas, it's more likely to stall then when you are going straight. (Although
it does do it going straight sometimes.) It stalls more when the heater (I
use vent) is on high as opposed to low or off - this might just be
statistical and may not actually affect it, I don't know. The car stalls
more in reverse than in drive. The car stalls more in colder weather than
in hot weather, although it has done it on hot days also. Also three or
four times in the past two years, the car actually stalled when I put it
into gear. The car has not stalled when going to stop, however, it does
feel like it's going to die sometimes when you go to stop on cold days
(Below 50 F) if you don't let it warm up for at least five minutes and once
completely stopped, the motor starts missing and sputtering like mad.
The smoke color that my car has coming out of the tailpipe is white -
the normal color. I have a small valve cover gasket leak that I've had
fixed several times and always seems to come back. The day with all the
problems I had with my car, I drove it all over the place (after the issues
that morning) and started it several times with no issues. That night, I
also had the oil changed and had a new air filter and breather put it. (I
needed those to be done before the cold weather hit.) I'm hoping that
putting in 5W30 oil helps my cars starting problems on bitter cold days
(turns over very slow on cold days even if left on a battery charger all
night and won't start at all past 3 below (F)) as I used to use 10W40.
So, I know I've mentioned some of this before (in fact a lot of this)
but the steering and stalling is a new one. Also, the day I encountered
this problem was a mild day for this time of year. It was in the 50's when
this happened.

In article <G8Nbh.165038$aJ.15808@attbi_s21>,
"Travis King" <Anonymous@none.com> wrote:

> So, I know I've mentioned some of this before (in fact a lot of this)
> but the steering and stalling is a new one. Also, the day I encountered
> this problem was a mild day for this time of year. It was in the 50's when
> this happened.
>

While I no longer have my '86 6000LE, I have the service records, and
found the receipt for having the same problem (stalling/dying at/under
25 mph and in reverse; sometimes dies after start) fixed in mine: EGR
coming on incorrectly. Initially, the O2 sensor was replaced but that
did not fix the problem; it was the EGR.

I also have the "why the car is in the shop" notice, and if yours is
like mine, if you brake *just right* you can keep the car from
stalling/dying until the EGR is corrected. Sudden hard braking caused
mine to die; if yours has the same problem, you might watch that.

--
"Did Father shoot him? I will eat Grandfather for dinner."
- Helen Keller, on learning of the death of her grandfather

email: aripee at inanna . com

Well mine has never stalled going to stop, it just feels like it's going to
(it feels as if it were chugging) and then once stopped, it sputters and
misses like crazy, but this also only occurs when the car is not warmed up
for at least three to four minutes on days where temperatures are below 50
(F). My car stalled once (my brother driving it - I was not actually with
him when this happened) while trying to merge onto the freeway when he
needed to gun it to merge. (speeds faster than 25MPH - probably more like
45MPH or 50MPH) The car as far as I know is on its original engine and
transmission still. (My brother bought it nearly ten years ago with only
60,000 miles, so unless something happened to it in those 60,000 miles, it
is still on the original engine and tranny.)
"REP" <rep~@inanna.com> wrote in message
news:JhQbh.17405$9v5.2183@newssvr29.news.prodigy.n et...
> In article <G8Nbh.165038$aJ.15808@attbi_s21>,
> "Travis King" <Anonymous@none.com> wrote:
>
>> So, I know I've mentioned some of this before (in fact a lot of this)
>> but the steering and stalling is a new one. Also, the day I encountered
>> this problem was a mild day for this time of year. It was in the 50's
>> when
>> this happened.
>>
>
> While I no longer have my '86 6000LE, I have the service records, and
> found the receipt for having the same problem (stalling/dying at/under
> 25 mph and in reverse; sometimes dies after start) fixed in mine: EGR
> coming on incorrectly. Initially, the O2 sensor was replaced but that
> did not fix the problem; it was the EGR.
>
> I also have the "why the car is in the shop" notice, and if yours is
> like mine, if you brake *just right* you can keep the car from
> stalling/dying until the EGR is corrected. Sudden hard braking caused
> mine to die; if yours has the same problem, you might watch that.
>
> --
> "Did Father shoot him? I will eat Grandfather for dinner."
> - Helen Keller, on learning of the death of her grandfather
>
> email: aripee at inanna . com

In article <C41ch.256167$FQ1.177425@attbi_s71>,
"Travis King" <Anonymous@none.com> wrote:

> Well mine has never stalled going to stop, it just feels like it's going to
> (it feels as if it were chugging) and then once stopped,

Probably still the EGR not coming on properly. Tranny problems usually
involve much more drastic symptoms and horrific noises (than again, bad
bearings make horrific noises...) If you've had the O2 sensor replaced,
have te EGR checked, and be firm about it!

--
"Did Father shoot him? I will eat Grandfather for dinner."
- Helen Keller, on learning of the death of her grandfather

email: aripee at inanna . com

The O2 sensor was replaced a little over a year ago, (Was getting SES and
also one day the engine lost its power as I was accelerating even when
floored once and I almost thought I was going to have to pull over but then
suddenly all the engine power came back, so that was the final straw and got
the O2 sensor replaced - the sensor caused that losing power problem because
it triggered the SES light and I got the same codes that I had before that
pointed to the O2 sensor) so anyway, I'm sure that the O2 sensor is not the
problem. I guess that leaves me with the EGR. My dad seemed to think that
the stalling while taking off from a stop problem might be the fuel pressure
regulator as he seems to think the car starves for gas when you go to take
off. My dad's van had to have the fuel pressure regulator done once, and it
was displaying all the problems a bad fuel pump would show.
"REP" <rep~@inanna.com> wrote in message
news:RN7ch.1322$Ga1.725@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net ...
> In article <C41ch.256167$FQ1.177425@attbi_s71>,
> "Travis King" <Anonymous@none.com> wrote:
>
>> Well mine has never stalled going to stop, it just feels like it's going
>> to
>> (it feels as if it were chugging) and then once stopped,
>
> Probably still the EGR not coming on properly. Tranny problems usually
> involve much more drastic symptoms and horrific noises (than again, bad
> bearings make horrific noises...) If you've had the O2 sensor replaced,
> have te EGR checked, and be firm about it!
>
> --
> "Did Father shoot him? I will eat Grandfather for dinner."
> - Helen Keller, on learning of the death of her grandfather
>
> email: aripee at inanna . com

In article <Gc9ch.256542$FQ1.204416@attbi_s71>,
"Travis King" <Anonymous@none.com> wrote:

> The O2 sensor was replaced a little over a year ago

When mine was stalling, the shop replaced the O2 sensor - which did
nothing to address the stalling. I took it back, and that's when they
found it was the EGR. I wouldn't swear to it, but I think the EGR coming
on improperly may cause an erroneous bad O2 sensor code; I do remember
that my old 6000LE seemed to require a lot of O2 sensors until the EGR
was corrected (and the service records confirm that I didn't have
anymore O2 codes pop up once the EGR was corrected - causation or
correlation, can't remember, especially not as sick as I am today!)

--
"Did Father shoot him? I will eat Grandfather for dinner."
- Helen Keller, on learning of the death of her grandfather

email: aripee at inanna . com

I haven't had any SES problems since replacing the O2 sensor though.
"REP" <rep~@inanna.com> wrote in message
news:f2vch.4777$Py2.3816@newssvr27.news.prodigy.ne t...
> In article <Gc9ch.256542$FQ1.204416@attbi_s71>,
> "Travis King" <Anonymous@none.com> wrote:
>
>> The O2 sensor was replaced a little over a year ago
>
> When mine was stalling, the shop replaced the O2 sensor - which did
> nothing to address the stalling. I took it back, and that's when they
> found it was the EGR. I wouldn't swear to it, but I think the EGR coming
> on improperly may cause an erroneous bad O2 sensor code; I do remember
> that my old 6000LE seemed to require a lot of O2 sensors until the EGR
> was corrected (and the service records confirm that I didn't have
> anymore O2 codes pop up once the EGR was corrected - causation or
> correlation, can't remember, especially not as sick as I am today!)
>
> --
> "Did Father shoot him? I will eat Grandfather for dinner."
> - Helen Keller, on learning of the death of her grandfather
>
> email: aripee at inanna . com

In article <hevch.167947$aJ.46483@attbi_s21>,
"Travis King" <Anonymous@none.com> wrote:

> I haven't had any SES problems since replacing the O2 sensor though.

Right. Because that's not what's causing the stalling. Have the EGR
checked - even though I had a nearly identical car doing nearly the same
damn thing doesn't mean your car has a problem with the EGR, but it sure
as hell isn't the O2 sensor.

--
"Did Father shoot him? I will eat Grandfather for dinner."
- Helen Keller, on learning of the death of her grandfather

email: aripee at inanna . com

It did it again today. I started the car up - did not let it warm up for at
least 5 minutes - did not let it warm up at all (30 F) and moved it to three
parking spots over. It moved fine until I parked the car into the spot.
Once parked, it started missing and sputtering like crazy. I gave it gas -
it felt like it was going to die when I gave it gas at the second the RPMs
were going up - once at a steady RPM, it stay there. Then let off the gas
and was still missing bad. Gave it some gas again and let off the gas
again. After I let off of the gas, about three seconds later, it died.
Don't forget, this is while in park. (At the same time of the dying, I
heard a pop/clunk sound coming from towards the back of the car.) I knew it
was going to die because I could hear the RPMs were getting lower slowly,
then it just suddenly died. I then went to restart the car, and it turned
over funny, but it started and once it did, it was missing really bad again.
I gave it gas and held it down at a high-ish RPM for five seconds (not
dangerously high or anything but I'd guess the RPMs were up there - no
tachometer, so I couldn't tell you). When I let off of the gas this time,
it cleared up and was not missing or sputtering. Do you still think the EGR
is the issue? Thanks. What was the pop/clunk noise I heard from towards
the rear of the car?
"REP" <rep~@inanna.com> wrote in message
news:%hxch.857$hI.115@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net.. .
> In article <hevch.167947$aJ.46483@attbi_s21>,
> "Travis King" <Anonymous@none.com> wrote:
>
>> I haven't had any SES problems since replacing the O2 sensor though.
>
> Right. Because that's not what's causing the stalling. Have the EGR
> checked - even though I had a nearly identical car doing nearly the same
> damn thing doesn't mean your car has a problem with the EGR, but it sure
> as hell isn't the O2 sensor.
>
> --
> "Did Father shoot him? I will eat Grandfather for dinner."
> - Helen Keller, on learning of the death of her grandfather
>
> email: aripee at inanna . com

In article <ZE0dh.259460$FQ1.88131@attbi_s71>,
"Travis King" <Anonymous@none.com> wrote:

>> it cleared up and was not missing or sputtering. Do you still think
the EGR
> is the issue?

YES!!!!!!!

Miss under acceleration is (usually) worn valve cover gasket leaking oil
onto sparkplugs, an unrelated problem.

--
"Did Father shoot him? I will eat Grandfather for dinner."
- Helen Keller, on learning of the death of her grandfather

email: aripee at inanna . com