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    Huck Flynn
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    Jeff DeWitt
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    Huck Flynn wrote:
    > Live coverage is at ..kotv.com now Fri. 8pm est.
    > Or go to www.buriedcar.com for info.
    >
    >
    >

    Here are pictures of what was in that time capsule and the car. Sadly
    the car didn't do so well...

    http://www.buriedcar.com/photo_gallery_new.htm

    Jeff DeWitt

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    Jeff
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    Default Re: Buried 57 plymouth in 50 year Time Capsule Unearthed!

    Jeff DeWitt wrote:
    > Huck Flynn wrote:
    >> Live coverage is at ..kotv.com now Fri. 8pm est.
    >> Or go to www.buriedcar.com for info.
    >>
    >>
    >>

    > Here are pictures of what was in that time capsule and the car. Sadly
    > the car didn't do so well...
    >
    > http://www.buriedcar.com/photo_gallery_new.htm
    >
    > Jeff DeWitt


    A more accurate statement is that sadly, the people who packaged the car
    didn't do a good job. It's hard to seal something properly for 50 years.

    Next time, they should put it in a concrete container lined with plastic
    *above* ground.

    Jeff

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    Bruce L. Bergman
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    Default Re: Buried 57 plymouth in 50 year Time Capsule Unearthed!

    On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 20:36:47 GMT, Jeff wrote:
    >Jeff DeWitt wrote:
    >> Huck Flynn wrote:


    >>> Live coverage is at ..kotv.com now Fri. 8pm est.
    >>> Or go to www.buriedcar.com for info.

    >>
    >> Here are pictures of what was in that time capsule and the car. Sadly
    >> the car didn't do so well...
    >> http://www.buriedcar.com/photo_gallery_new.htm

    >
    >A more accurate statement is that sadly, the people who packaged the car
    >didn't do a good job. It's hard to seal something properly for 50 years.
    >
    >Next time, they should put it in a concrete container lined with plastic
    >*above* ground.


    Still probably wouldn't be enough for 50 years and usable contents.
    Ask any military operation in the world - Something that needs to
    work after long term storage needs to be in a sealed box with active
    humidity control (dehumidifier or desiccant) and under pressure so any
    container leaks will go out. There needs to be active pressure and
    humidity monitoring so they can restore container integrity before the
    contents are compromised.

    Inert atmosphere (pure nitrogen, argon, etc.) and active cathodic
    corrosion control is preferred but not essential.

    And that inner box needs to be protected in an outer vault with
    positive drainage, up on a small hill so gravity alone would take care
    of any water collection. Sump pumps break, or are forgotten - it
    would be rare for someone to actively monitor the ongoing integrity of
    a Time Capsule, short of funding an annuity and having a legal trustee
    administer a maintenance contract, things get forgotten.

    Note that the items that were sealed inside the conventional cast
    iron "Time Capsule" in the same vault space have survived. For that
    small a space, a good seal, inert atmosphere and sufficient desiccant
    will work.

    60 year plus old paper insulated telephone cable in underground
    ducts is still in excellent working condition - because it was in
    sealed splice cases, the cables are kept under 10 PSI positive
    pressure with either dry air or dry nitrogen, and the splice cases are
    packed with fresh desiccant packets each time they are opened.

    --<< Bruce >>--


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    Ted Mittelstaedt
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    Default Re: Buried 57 plymouth in 50 year Time Capsule Unearthed!


    "Bruce L. Bergman" <blnospambergman@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
    news:3t4973d7cqjt9sifnbe60fe751m84kindj@4ax.com...
    > On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 20:36:47 GMT, Jeff wrote:
    > >Jeff DeWitt wrote:
    > >> Huck Flynn wrote:

    >
    > >>> Live coverage is at ..kotv.com now Fri. 8pm est.
    > >>> Or go to www.buriedcar.com for info.
    > >>
    > >> Here are pictures of what was in that time capsule and the car. Sadly
    > >> the car didn't do so well...
    > >> http://www.buriedcar.com/photo_gallery_new.htm

    > >
    > >A more accurate statement is that sadly, the people who packaged the car
    > >didn't do a good job. It's hard to seal something properly for 50 years.
    > >
    > >Next time, they should put it in a concrete container lined with plastic
    > >*above* ground.

    >
    > Still probably wouldn't be enough for 50 years and usable contents.
    > Ask any military operation in the world - Something that needs to
    > work after long term storage needs to be in a sealed box with active
    > humidity control (dehumidifier or desiccant) and under pressure so any
    > container leaks will go out.


    I believe the US Military uses Edwards AFB in AZ to store this kind of
    thing without all the fancy sealed boxes and humidity control. If the
    car had been put down there and tarped, it would have probably lasted
    perfectly well.

    Ted



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    Jeff DeWitt
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    Default Re: Buried 57 plymouth in 50 year Time Capsule Unearthed!

    Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
    > "Bruce L. Bergman" <blnospambergman@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
    > news:3t4973d7cqjt9sifnbe60fe751m84kindj@4ax.com...
    >> On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 20:36:47 GMT, Jeff wrote:
    >>> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
    >>>> Huck Flynn wrote:
    >>>>> Live coverage is at ..kotv.com now Fri. 8pm est.
    >>>>> Or go to www.buriedcar.com for info.
    >>>> Here are pictures of what was in that time capsule and the car. Sadly
    >>>> the car didn't do so well...
    >>>> http://www.buriedcar.com/photo_gallery_new.htm
    >>> A more accurate statement is that sadly, the people who packaged the car
    >>> didn't do a good job. It's hard to seal something properly for 50 years.
    >>>
    >>> Next time, they should put it in a concrete container lined with plastic
    >>> *above* ground.

    >> Still probably wouldn't be enough for 50 years and usable contents.
    >> Ask any military operation in the world - Something that needs to
    >> work after long term storage needs to be in a sealed box with active
    >> humidity control (dehumidifier or desiccant) and under pressure so any
    >> container leaks will go out.

    >
    > I believe the US Military uses Edwards AFB in AZ to store this kind of
    > thing without all the fancy sealed boxes and humidity control. If the
    > car had been put down there and tarped, it would have probably lasted
    > perfectly well.
    >
    > Ted
    >
    >


    No doubt it would have, but that location would have sort of defeated
    the purpose of the Tulsaram wouldn't it? <G>

    Jeff DeWitt


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    Johnny Cakes
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    Default Re: Buried 57 plymouth in 50 year Time Capsule Unearthed!


    "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
    news:46772166$0$24698$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
    > Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
    > > "Bruce L. Bergman" <blnospambergman@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
    > > news:3t4973d7cqjt9sifnbe60fe751m84kindj@4ax.com...
    > >> On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 20:36:47 GMT, Jeff wrote:
    > >>> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
    > >>>> Huck Flynn wrote:
    > >>>>> Live coverage is at ..kotv.com now Fri. 8pm est.
    > >>>>> Or go to www.buriedcar.com for info.
    > >>>> Here are pictures of what was in that time capsule and the car.

    Sadly
    > >>>> the car didn't do so well...
    > >>>> http://www.buriedcar.com/photo_gallery_new.htm
    > >>> A more accurate statement is that sadly, the people who packaged the

    car
    > >>> didn't do a good job. It's hard to seal something properly for 50

    years.
    > >>>
    > >>> Next time, they should put it in a concrete container lined with

    plastic
    > >>> *above* ground.
    > >> Still probably wouldn't be enough for 50 years and usable contents.
    > >> Ask any military operation in the world - Something that needs to
    > >> work after long term storage needs to be in a sealed box with active
    > >> humidity control (dehumidifier or desiccant) and under pressure so any
    > >> container leaks will go out.

    > >
    > > I believe the US Military uses Edwards AFB in AZ to store this kind of
    > > thing without all the fancy sealed boxes and humidity control. If the
    > > car had been put down there and tarped, it would have probably lasted
    > > perfectly well.
    > >
    > > Ted
    > >
    > >

    >
    > No doubt it would have, but that location would have sort of defeated
    > the purpose of the Tulsaram wouldn't it? <G>
    >
    > Jeff DeWitt
    >


    I am pretty sure they had Saran Wrap in 1957...duuuhhh.



  8. #8
    Johnny Cakes
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    Default Re: Buried 57 plymouth in 50 year Time Capsule Unearthed!


    "Huck Flynn" <HF36736@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:4674c423$1$18003$822641b3@news.adtechcomputer s.com...
    >
    > "Bruce L. Bergman" <blnospambergman@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
    > news:3t4973d7cqjt9sifnbe60fe751m84kindj@4ax.com...
    > > On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 20:36:47 GMT, Jeff wrote:
    > >>Jeff DeWitt wrote:
    > >>> Huck Flynn wrote:

    > >
    > >>>> Live coverage is at ..kotv.com now Fri. 8pm est.
    > >>>> Or go to www.buriedcar.com for info.
    > >>>
    > >>> Here are pictures of what was in that time capsule and the car. Sadly
    > >>> the car didn't do so well...
    > >>> http://www.buriedcar.com/photo_gallery_new.htm
    > >>
    > >>A more accurate statement is that sadly, the people who packaged the car
    > >>didn't do a good job. It's hard to seal something properly for 50 years.
    > >>
    > >>Next time, they should put it in a concrete container lined with plastic
    > >>*above* ground.

    > >
    > > Still probably wouldn't be enough for 50 years and usable contents.
    > > Ask any military operation in the world - Something that needs to
    > > work after long term storage needs to be in a sealed box with active
    > > humidity control (dehumidifier or desiccant) and under pressure so any
    > > container leaks will go out. There needs to be active pressure and
    > > humidity monitoring so they can restore container integrity before the
    > > contents are compromised.
    > >
    > > Inert atmosphere (pure nitrogen, argon, etc.) and active cathodic
    > > corrosion control is preferred but not essential.
    > >
    > > And that inner box needs to be protected in an outer vault with
    > > positive drainage, up on a small hill so gravity alone would take care
    > > of any water collection. Sump pumps break, or are forgotten - it
    > > would be rare for someone to actively monitor the ongoing integrity of
    > > a Time Capsule, short of funding an annuity and having a legal trustee
    > > administer a maintenance contract, things get forgotten.
    > >
    > > Note that the items that were sealed inside the conventional cast
    > > iron "Time Capsule" in the same vault space have survived. For that
    > > small a space, a good seal, inert atmosphere and sufficient desiccant
    > > will work.
    > >
    > > 60 year plus old paper insulated telephone cable in underground
    > > ducts is still in excellent working condition - because it was in
    > > sealed splice cases, the cables are kept under 10 PSI positive
    > > pressure with either dry air or dry nitrogen, and the splice cases are
    > > packed with fresh desiccant packets each time they are opened.
    > >
    > > --<< Bruce >>--
    > >

    > Next time they do it, they should bury it with a video feed looking at the
    > car. That way it can be seen if any water leaks occur in the car, not only
    > that we can watch the car on our computers via the internet live! Can you
    > imagine how exciting it would be to sit back and just watch the car age

    for
    > 50 years! And 50 years from now after removing the car they can rewind the
    > video and playback the video with high speed time laspe cutting down 50
    > years of video into an hour! Now that would be quite cool...yes quite cool
    > indeed.
    >
    >
    >

    That a brilliant idea Huck!



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