I've got a 97 Legacy Wagon with the 2.2L engine. It'll get 30-31 mpg
at 66-68 mph vs. 26-27 at 74 mph. Needless to say I have been driving
the 66-68 since realizing this.

I have a friend who just came to visit and drove 60 all the way. Says
she got 23 mph both way. Same engine in her 98 Forester.

Clearly, after a certain speed, faster means poorer mileage, but is
there an optimum speed, such as somewhere in the mid '60s that would
optimize mileage. What's the experience on this?

TIA
Jim

<kaplan3jiim@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> I've got a 97 Legacy Wagon with the 2.2L engine. It'll get 30-31 mpg
> at 66-68 mph vs. 26-27 at 74 mph. Needless to say I have been driving
> the 66-68 since realizing this.
>
> I have a friend who just came to visit and drove 60 all the way. Says
> she got 23 mph both way. Same engine in her 98 Forester.
>
> Clearly, after a certain speed, faster means poorer mileage, but is
> there an optimum speed, such as somewhere in the mid '60s that would
> optimize mileage. What's the experience on this?
>
> TIA
> Jim

Cars are tested at 50MPH for highway fuel mileage because that is where they
are supposed to be the most fuel efficient

JD wrote:

><kaplan3jiim@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:6f1e639uhnd3dlj1dhq481daal063tv38h@4ax.com...
>> I've got a 97 Legacy Wagon with the 2.2L engine. It'll get 30-31 mpg
>> at 66-68 mph vs. 26-27 at 74 mph. Needless to say I have been driving
>> the 66-68 since realizing this.
>>
>> I have a friend who just came to visit and drove 60 all the way. Says
>> she got 23 mph both way. Same engine in her 98 Forester.
>>
>> Clearly, after a certain speed, faster means poorer mileage, but is
>> there an optimum speed, such as somewhere in the mid '60s that would
>> optimize mileage. What's the experience on this?
>>
>> TIA
>> Jim

>Cars are tested at 50MPH for highway fuel mileage because that is where
>they
>are supposed to be the most fuel efficient

'Sright. After 50Mph/80Kmh wind resistance starts to make a difference.

The only common factor with your two cars though is the engine. Different
mass, drag, frontal area, maybe diffeing traffic and road conditions and
most importantly, different driver. Your car with you in it is the only
thing that will determine what is best for your situation. Cheers

<kaplan3jiim@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Clearly, after a certain speed, faster means poorer mileage, but is
> there an optimum speed, such as somewhere in the mid '60s that would
> optimize mileage. What's the experience on this?

I believe the lowest speed that allows you to use the highest gear is the
most efficient speed.

peter wrote:

> <kaplan3jiim@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:6f1e639uhnd3dlj1dhq481daal063tv38h@4ax.com...
>
>>Clearly, after a certain speed, faster means poorer mileage, but is
>>there an optimum speed, such as somewhere in the mid '60s that would
>>optimize mileage. What's the experience on this?
>
>
> I believe the lowest speed that allows you to use the highest gear is the
> most efficient speed.
>
>

Maybe not quite that low (idle speed in highest gear is probably gonna
'lug' the engine and lead to overheating or other problems) depending on
what you mean by "allows you to use". Plus, there is likely more passing
power nearer the peak torque RPM.
I think there are 'histograms' or other calculations to help with those
determinations - but 10-20% below the peak torque point might be a good
place to begin experimenting. Aerodynamic drag really begins kicking in
around 50mph or so IIRC. Its' a square function so high speeds are
always bad for efficiency.
In the real world, probably best to keep up with the average speed of
traffic using a gear 'proper' for that speed. Proper again somewhat
subjective but likely to be halfway or more between idle and peak torque
RPMs.


Carl

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On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 06:03:12 +0000, peter wrote:

> <kaplan3jiim@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:6f1e639uhnd3dlj1dhq481daal063tv38h@4ax.com...
>> Clearly, after a certain speed, faster means poorer mileage, but is
>> there an optimum speed, such as somewhere in the mid '60s that would
>> optimize mileage. What's the experience on this?
>
> I believe the lowest speed that allows you to use the highest gear is the
> most efficient speed.


Not always. I have had a LOT of Toyotas, and have found for the 1.5-1.8
liter models, right around 70 MPH seems to be optimum (I always fill the
tank, reset the trip meter and make a note of the mileage)

On a Corolla 1200, 70 MPH rendered 38 MPG
On a Corolla 1.8, " " " 36 MPG
On a Corolla 1.6 ("G" series, or 'performance' engine) 70 MPH rendered 34
MPG

In a Tercel with an AT, 70 MPH rendered 44 MPG! (and I sold it to buy a
Supra that gets 21..but..Who Cares?!?!?

In an '87 (new) Corolla 1.6 "F" series engine, 75 MPH with the AC on all
the way rendered 46MPG!!!!

Meanwhile, my studoes at 50-55 (Remember the National Speed Limit?)
rendered the WORST fuel economy in 5th gear, around 24 MPG!!!! Or, in
other words, just what the EPA sticker said I would get...

Here's my rule of thumb: Under 60 MPH, leave it in 4th, or remove the OD
on an AT. Over 60, use the highest gear, and hover between 60 and 70.

You have to remember, these are Japanese cars, the Japanese are very fuel
concious, their National Speed Limit is 100 KPH (62 MPH), and NOBODY
drives the speed limit, anywhere!

On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 06:03:12 GMT, "peter" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:

><kaplan3jiim@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:6f1e639uhnd3dlj1dhq481daal063tv38h@4ax.com.. .
>> Clearly, after a certain speed, faster means poorer mileage, but is
>> there an optimum speed, such as somewhere in the mid '60s that would
>> optimize mileage. What's the experience on this?
>
>I believe the lowest speed that allows you to use the highest gear is the
>most efficient speed.
>
I have an automatic, unfortunately. Actually the EPA city mileage for
the manual tranny in '97 was 1 MPG lower, and highway was the same,
which was a good part of the reason for the choice.