<houndman@phonom.net> wrote in message
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> Bought me a 2.5i 5M wagon yesterday. Drove it an hr before paying.
> Brake pedal was soft. Had some travel before they started to grab.
> Told them to check them out. One guy they said was a tech, was telling
> me that is how the ABS will feel.

He's full of shit. ABS will not be felt unless it is engaged, and then it
feels like you are skateboarding down a stairyway. You won't have any doubt
about it when it happens, it's quite shocking the first time you feel it.

Didn't make me feel very comfortable
> when braking, like they didn't start to grab till the pedal was
> depressed about 1/3. Felt like it would increase the stopping
> distance, by time I got them to start grabbing.

Have the breaks on your new car checked. Next time, if your gut tells you
it's bullshit, it probably is.

You could have a bad master cyclinder, or the fluid could be low, or there
could be air in the lines. ANY of these problems are severe and bad enough
you shouldn't drive the car, but may take varying ammounts of money and time
to fix.

>
> I'm not a fan of ABS to start with so it didn't endear me to them
> like others are. I like things that are confidence inspiring, not
> something to make me less confident, and drive slower. I have an
> injury that when I am not feeling good, my reaction times are Much
> slower, which I don't enjoy. To drive a car that adds to the time or
> stopping distance, Isn't Gona Get It. I Hope I don't have to Fix It
> myself, but then that won't be anything new.

So, when you going to learn it's not that way?

Been told
> many times, That's the way they All are. Like a V-8 motor that was
> fouling 2 plugs after 3K mi, and every 600 after that. The dealer
> wouldn't put hotter plugs in since the car was driven in the city a
> lot, and the motor had the same plugs as the 2-4bbl motor. They tuned
> it up 3X, saying Big motors don't run smooth, and then Rebuilt the
> motor, and the breaking in, light oil doubled the time till the plugs
> fouled. Changing to one heat range hotter solved the problem.

What?

>
> Another that developed a growling noise when decelerating from speed
> at 40K mi, was Supposed to be how they All sounded. Dealer would't
> check the fluid level. I did and it was 1/3 what it should be. Filling
> the Man. trans ended the noise. Must not have been enough oil, since
> it was quiet for 100K more miles.
>

No wonder you got ripped off. Stop rambling or maybe have someone else buy
your next car for you.

On 28 Aug, 13:30, ".._.." <.....@yourmom.mil> wrote:
> <hound...@phonom.net> wrote in message
>
> news:1188305003.181210.127940@d55g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
>
> > Bought me a 2.5i 5M wagon yesterday. Drove it an hr before paying.
> > Brake pedal was soft. Had some travel before they started to grab.
> > Told them to check them out. One guy they said was a tech, was telling
> > me that is how the ABS will feel.
>
> He's full of shit. ABS will not be felt unless it is engaged, and then it
> feels like you are skateboarding down a stairyway. You won't have any doubt
> about it when it happens, it's quite shocking the first time you feel it.
>
> Didn't make me feel very comfortable
>
> > when braking, like they didn't start to grab till the pedal was
> > depressed about 1/3. Felt like it would increase the stopping
> > distance, by time I got them to start grabbing.
>
> Have the breaks on your new car checked. Next time, if your gut tells you
> it's bullshit, it probably is.
>
> You could have a bad master cyclinder, or the fluid could be low, or there
> could be air in the lines. ANY of these problems are severe and bad enough
> you shouldn't drive the car, but may take varying ammounts of money and time
> to fix.
>
>
>
> > I'm not a fan of ABS to start with so it didn't endear me to them
> > like others are. I like things that are confidence inspiring, not
> > something to make me less confident, and drive slower. I have an
> > injury that when I am not feeling good, my reaction times are Much
> > slower, which I don't enjoy. To drive a car that adds to the time or
> > stopping distance, Isn't Gona Get It. I Hope I don't have to Fix It
> > myself, but then that won't be anything new.
>
> So, when you going to learn it's not that way?
>
> Been told
>
> > many times, That's the way they All are. Like a V-8 motor that was
> > fouling 2 plugs after 3K mi, and every 600 after that. The dealer
> > wouldn't put hotter plugs in since the car was driven in the city a
> > lot, and the motor had the same plugs as the 2-4bbl motor. They tuned
> > it up 3X, saying Big motors don't run smooth, and then Rebuilt the
> > motor, and the breaking in, light oil doubled the time till the plugs
> > fouled. Changing to one heat range hotter solved the problem.
>
> What?
>
>
>
> > Another that developed a growling noise when decelerating from speed
> > at 40K mi, was Supposed to be how they All sounded. Dealer would't
> > check the fluid level. I did and it was 1/3 what it should be. Filling
> > the Man. trans ended the noise. Must not have been enough oil, since
> > it was quiet for 100K more miles.
>
> No wonder you got ripped off. Stop rambling or maybe have someone else buy
> your next car for you.

Forget your meds this AM??

How do I get ripped off, Fixing a bad design or problem a dealer
would Rather make a motor rebuild than changing 8 plugs? They don't
know about plug heat ranges, and like You call it rambling, their
heads hurt when they have to figure something out, and when the
Expensive fix, Under warranty doesn't work, They are lost.

Rambling? Yea, You would have rebuilt the motor, saying Big Motors Run
Rough, or a trans always makes noise after 40K. No need to check the
oil. Some people Learn from Others experiences, and Others.....

What? Have someone Else buy my next car For Me, Who You?? Right.
I wouldn't trust you to shine my shoes. Get polish all over my socks.
What do You like, Mustangs, Hummers, or are you a Yugo type? Bricklin
who got Subaru to come to the states, got the Yugo's here also.

The brakes and clutch feel better, so Maybe they Did Do something to
them, but told me they Didn't. Should I look for greasy fingerprints ?