I have a 1999 Forester. I will be changing the antifreeze.
I plan on using Prestone. Since the block is aluminum can I use the
regular Prestone or should I use the Prestone Prime?

Any tips on how to avoid air pockets?

Thanks,
AJay

AJay wrote:

> I plan on using Prestone. Since the block is aluminum can I use the
> regular Prestone or should I use the Prestone Prime?
>
> Any tips on how to avoid air pockets?

Hi,

Regular everyday Prestone, mixed 50-50 with DISTILLED water, has kept
all MY cars happy for the last million miles or so. You can buy the
pre-mix if you like to pay too much for water. I believe they use
"de-ionized" water in the mix: it's probably "good enough" if perhaps
quite as "clean" as distilled. Although Prestone claims their "new"
formula mixes w/ anything out there, I still think it's probably a good
idea NOT to mix it w/ Dex-cool type products (that WAS a recipe for
trouble earlier on in development of the "extended life" coolants.)
Unless someone's played w/ what they put in your Forester, that part
should be a non-issue.

Air pockets? Ooh, boy. Check to see if your model has an air bleed valve
(probably on or near the radiator near where the upper hose comes in?
Mine doesn't have one, so let's rely on someone to point us in the right
direction here.) That will help.

What I've found helpful w/ my "no air bleed" Subie (learned on a Toyota
w/ one of their engines that was also famous for air pockets) is to fill
the system as far as possible thru the point where the thermostat's
mounted (t-stat is out at this time.) Then install the t-stat (OEM,
BTW!) and continue filling "normally" thru the radiator until there's 2
to 3 inches of space left. With the front of the car higher than the
rear (jacked up or on blocks if required), I turn the engine on w/ the
radiator cap off. I have the heater on "full" at this time, too: some
heaters "shut off" the coolant flow when off (Toyota style), others are
constant flow (Subie style) but it helps either way IME--you want to
make sure the heater core gets filled, which you'll know by heat coming
out.

Run the car at idle until the t-stat opens and the temp's running
"normal." I'll then run it up to a faster idle (around 2000 rpm or so)
and run it a minute or so before dropping it back down. This helps get
coolant circulated thru the heating system in case you've got "cold"
coming out of the heater. Somewhere in here, you'll probably experience
a big "burp" w/ coolant spilling out of the radiator. (That's common: be
prepared to hose down the driveway so the neighborhood dogs and cats
aren't tempted to taste it!) The temp gauge may also rise above normal,
then take a big drop. Don't let it get to the red if it looks like it's
headed that way. Shut the engine down and let it cool, w/ the rad cap
still off. As it cools, the level of coolant in the radiator will
probably drop considerably. Refill to the 2-3 inch "low" level and
repeat the warm up drill. Shut it off and let it cool again (here it's
helpful to let it sit overnight if you have the luxury of time.) When
it's completely cool, refill the radiator to within about a half inch of
the opening, install the cap, and make sure the overflow tank is filled
to "full." Watch carefully the next couple of days of driving and refill
the overflow tank as required (it should need SOME topping off, as you
didn't fill the radiator completely!)

There MAY still be a little air in the system that will take some miles
to work its way out, but this drill has cut WAY back on my "runs erratic
temps after a coolant change" (translation: air pockets) problems.

Good luck,

Rick

On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:59:27 -0700, Rick Courtright
<rcourtright@iname.com> wrote:

Rick,

Thanks for your prompt and very informative response.
Appreciate it.

AJay

On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 12:20:10 -0400, AJay <AJay@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I have a 1999 Forester. I will be changing the antifreeze.
>I plan on using Prestone. Since the block is aluminum can I use the
>regular Prestone or should I use the Prestone Prime?
>
>Any tips on how to avoid air pockets?
>
>Thanks,
>AJay
Additionaly Subaru says:

WWP-99 Service Campaign - Cooling System Conditioner

Subaru has determined that certain 1999 through 2002 model year 2.5L
equipped Subaru vehicles may experience an external coolant leak from
the cylinder head gaskets. This is the result of normal relative
thermal expansion and contraction variations of engine parts. As a
precautionary measure, SOA is recommending that a special conditioner
be added to the engine cooling system to prevent leaks from occurring
or to correct existing leaks.

Only early Phase II 2.5 liter engines are affected by this campaign.
Phase I 2.5 liter engines (some 1999 model year and prior years) are
not affected. Countermeasures applied to the manufacturing process for
those 2002 and later VINS not affected by this campaign have
eliminated the need for this campaign to be performed on those
vehicles.

In the future, it will be necessary to add Genuine Subaru Cooling
System Conditioner to the SUBARU vehicle cooling system whenever the
engine coolant is replaced. The updated recommended service procedure
as well as intervals for coolant replacement will be added to all
applicable service manuals. As a reminder, we will include an update
page in the owner notification letters that should be added to the
Owner’s Manual and Warranty and Maintenance Booklet. We ask you to
keep in mind that replacement of fluids (including Subaru Cooling
System Conditioner) during inspection and maintenance services are not
covered under warranty.

If the vehicle owner has this Service Program repair performed
promptly, Subaru will extend coverage under the Subaru Limited
Warranty on the vehicle for cylinder head gasket external coolant
leaks to a period of 8 years or 100,000 miles, whichever occurs first.
Warranty coverage begins on the date the vehicle was delivered to the
first retail purchaser. If the vehicle was used as a demonstrator or
company vehicle before being sold at retail, warranty coverage begins
on the date the vehicle was first placed in such service. As a further
condition for this extended warranty coverage to apply, the vehicle
owner must have Genuine Subaru Cooling System Conditioner added to the
vehicle at any subsequent cooling system services at the interval
specified in the Warranty and Maintenance Booklet under the heading
“Schedule of Inspection and Maintenance Services”.

Dealers will automatically be sent an initial quantity of Genuine
Subaru Cooling System Conditioner. Dealer bulletins and affected VIN
lists will be mailed to dealers in early February 2004. Owner
notification letters are scheduled for mailing in stages.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

http://www.subaruparts.com/catalog/?section=366

Coolant conditioner. 1.26 a bottle.

"QX" <nomail@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:mq1gd3dggt1fcspro1go917mnafar3ecbd@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 12:20:10 -0400, AJay <AJay@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>I have a 1999 Forester. I will be changing the antifreeze.
>>I plan on using Prestone. Since the block is aluminum can I use the
>>regular Prestone or should I use the Prestone Prime?
>>
>>Any tips on how to avoid air pockets?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>AJay
> Additionaly Subaru says:
>
> WWP-99 Service Campaign - Cooling System Conditioner
>
> Subaru has determined that certain 1999 through 2002 model year 2.5L
> equipped Subaru vehicles may experience an external coolant leak from
> the cylinder head gaskets. This is the result of normal relative
> thermal expansion and contraction variations of engine parts. As a
> precautionary measure, SOA is recommending that a special conditioner
> be added to the engine cooling system to prevent leaks from occurring
> or to correct existing leaks.
>
> Only early Phase II 2.5 liter engines are affected by this campaign.
> Phase I 2.5 liter engines (some 1999 model year and prior years) are
> not affected. Countermeasures applied to the manufacturing process for
> those 2002 and later VINS not affected by this campaign have
> eliminated the need for this campaign to be performed on those
> vehicles.
>
> In the future, it will be necessary to add Genuine Subaru Cooling
> System Conditioner to the SUBARU vehicle cooling system whenever the
> engine coolant is replaced. The updated recommended service procedure
> as well as intervals for coolant replacement will be added to all
> applicable service manuals. As a reminder, we will include an update
> page in the owner notification letters that should be added to the
> Owner's Manual and Warranty and Maintenance Booklet. We ask you to
> keep in mind that replacement of fluids (including Subaru Cooling
> System Conditioner) during inspection and maintenance services are not
> covered under warranty.
>
> If the vehicle owner has this Service Program repair performed
> promptly, Subaru will extend coverage under the Subaru Limited
> Warranty on the vehicle for cylinder head gasket external coolant
> leaks to a period of 8 years or 100,000 miles, whichever occurs first.
> Warranty coverage begins on the date the vehicle was delivered to the
> first retail purchaser. If the vehicle was used as a demonstrator or
> company vehicle before being sold at retail, warranty coverage begins
> on the date the vehicle was first placed in such service. As a further
> condition for this extended warranty coverage to apply, the vehicle
> owner must have Genuine Subaru Cooling System Conditioner added to the
> vehicle at any subsequent cooling system services at the interval
> specified in the Warranty and Maintenance Booklet under the heading
> "Schedule of Inspection and Maintenance Services".
>
> Dealers will automatically be sent an initial quantity of Genuine
> Subaru Cooling System Conditioner. Dealer bulletins and affected VIN
> lists will be mailed to dealers in early February 2004. Owner
> notification letters are scheduled for mailing in stages.
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:21:35 GMT, ".._.." <.._..@yourmom.mil> wrote:


Thanks to everyone who responded to my antifreeze question. All were
great tips and I appreciated the responses.

AJay