On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 05:38:35 -0800, nico wrote:

> Toyota used the SEMA tuner and aftermarket mega-extravaganza in Las
> Vegas to show the 10th generation of its Corolla sedan, which at 30
> million units sold in 40 years, is the bestselling passenger car in
> history. It also is important because one in three of the 390,000
> people who buy Corollas annually trades in for a new one. Others trade
> up to a Camry.
> http://www.zone-car.com/?2009-toyota...s-and-info.php


Nothing real exciting, looks like the same 4-door Yawn Machine that's sold
now...

"Hachiroku" <Hachiroku_ae86@ae86.gts> wrote in message
newsan.2007.11.12.23.28.13.297000@ae86.gts...
> On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 05:38:35 -0800, nico wrote:
>
>> Toyota used the SEMA tuner and aftermarket mega-extravaganza in Las
>> Vegas to show the 10th generation of its Corolla sedan, which at 30
>> million units sold in 40 years, is the bestselling passenger car in
>> history. It also is important because one in three of the 390,000
>> people who buy Corollas annually trades in for a new one. Others
>> trade
>> up to a Camry.
>> http://www.zone-car.com/?2009-toyota...s-and-info.php
>
>
> Nothing real exciting, looks like the same 4-door Yawn Machine
> that's sold
> now...

But isn't that part of it appeal? Solid, reliable, cheap, dull. - in a
nutshell, a Consumer Reports recommended vehicle?

Ed

On Nov 13, 5:18 am, "C. E. White" <cewhi...@removemindspring.com>
wrote:
> "Hachiroku" <Hachiroku_a...@ae86.gts> wrote in message
>
> newsan.2007.11.12.23.28.13.297000@ae86.gts...
>
> > On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 05:38:35 -0800, nico wrote:
>
> >> Toyota used the SEMA tuner and aftermarket mega-extravaganza in Las
> >> Vegas to show the 10th generation of its Corolla sedan, which at 30
> >> million units sold in 40 years, is the bestselling passenger car in
> >> history. It also is important because one in three of the 390,000
> >> people who buy Corollas annually trades in for a new one. Others
> >> trade
> >> up to a Camry.
> >>http://www.zone-car.com/?2009-toyota...hotos-and-info...
>
> > Nothing real exciting, looks like the same 4-door Yawn Machine
> > that's sold
> > now...
>
> But isn't that part of it appeal? Solid, reliable, cheap, dull. - in a
> nutshell, a Consumer Reports recommended vehicle?
>
> Ed

I think one reason vehicles that appear 'dull' get that recommendation
is because in theory, the less there is to break, crack, fail, fall
apart, tear, etc... the less problems, the lest overhead cost, and the
best bang for your buck.

I would love to drive a vehicle with a solid oak steering wheel, all
leather heated seats, window defoggers, wipers on the headlights,
etc... but the reality is, it's more parts to fail, more costly to
maintain, and to a degree that takes the fun out of a vehicle too.

I think it takes a delicate balance to have features and amenities
without compromising your other qualities like reliability and low
cost of ownership. I know a couple things I want in a vehicle is
'decent' looking (which I think a 2002 Corolla is...) and it's
reliable and gets me to Point A and Point B which my Corolla does.

Just some points to consider...

The 2009 body design is really surprising. This is, IIRC, the least
exterior change from one generation to another. If the 9th generation
and soon to be released 10th generation rear end was right in front of
me, I wouldn't be able to tell the difference. =) I was expecting a
body design same as the Japanese version Axio released in Japan.

I wonder why Toyota doesn't release a coupe version, like the Civic
and Focus. That I would think would be more interesting than having a
bigger 2.4L engine. But then again, just buy a tC if one likes a
coupe.

On Nov 13, 10:58 am, mrsteveo <mrste...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> I think it takes a delicate balance to have features and amenities
> without compromising your other qualities like reliability and low
> cost of ownership. I know a couple things I want in a vehicle is
> 'decent' looking (which I think a 2002 Corolla is...) and it's
> reliable and gets me to Point A and Point B which my Corolla does.
>
> Just some points to consider...

I don't want *too much*.. Like you say, the more stuff, the
more stuff to break. And Toyota stuff is usually not exactly
cheap to replace.
But more stuff adds more weight.
Which brings me to this...
Did Toyota just lower the MPG rating of the 08 corolla?
It had been listed in the past at 41 mpg highway
with the manual, but I thought I caught a quick glimpse
of a corolla commercial just a couple of days ago
where they listed it at 37 mpg???
Being as the 08 version is basically the same as the
03-07's, I wonder why the drop in rating..
More stuff? Engine change? Or maybe change in
rating itself? I would think Toyota would fight tooth
and nail to keep that 41 mpg rating..
I'm not sure what the civic claims which is probably
the strongest competition.
Which makes me wonder what the 09 will do mpg wise..
My 05 CE gets 41 and maybe even squeeze 42
on the highway if you hold the speed to 65.
And I have the auto , not manual.
I drop a little if I do 70, but not a whole lot..
I'm guessing 38 -39 maybe?
But even with less stuff, the 05 corolla CE seems
much more like a small camry vs say the 1989 corolla
which we had a few years ago.
The newer corollas give the impression of driving a
bigger car than the older ones. I'm fairly sure it's because
of the higher overall seating level.
My older 89 accord which I just sold was like driving a
go cart compared to the corolla.. Much lower seating,
and made it seem smaller overall just because of that.
The 89 corolla was a good car overall, but I used to
absolutely hate the wide center post steering wheel.
It was too fat to grip my hand around as usual,
and hard to find a comfortable hand position
on the wheel. I'm glad they did away with that and
went to the narrow post wheels on the newer ones.
MK

On Nov 13, 11:54 pm, n...@wt.net wrote:
> On Nov 13, 10:58 am, mrsteveo <mrste...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I think it takes a delicate balance to have features and amenities
> > without compromising your other qualities like reliability and low
> > cost of ownership. I know a couple things I want in a vehicle is
> > 'decent' looking (which I think a 2002 Corolla is...) and it's
> > reliable and gets me to Point A and Point B which my Corolla does.
>
> > Just some points to consider...
>
> I don't want *too much*.. Like you say, the more stuff, the
> more stuff to break. And Toyota stuff is usually not exactly
> cheap to replace.
> But more stuff adds more weight.
> Which brings me to this...
> Did Toyota just lower the MPG rating of the 08 corolla?
> It had been listed in the past at 41 mpg highway
> with the manual, but I thought I caught a quick glimpse
> of a corolla commercial just a couple of days ago
> where they listed it at 37 mpg???
> Being as the 08 version is basically the same as the
> 03-07's, I wonder why the drop in rating..
> More stuff? Engine change? Or maybe change in
> rating itself? I would think Toyota would fight tooth
> and nail to keep that 41 mpg rating..
> I'm not sure what the civic claims which is probably
> the strongest competition.
> Which makes me wonder what the 09 will do mpg wise..
> My 05 CE gets 41 and maybe even squeeze 42
> on the highway if you hold the speed to 65.
> And I have the auto , not manual.
> I drop a little if I do 70, but not a whole lot..
> I'm guessing 38 -39 maybe?


There were discussions about the revised EPA guidelines, apparently
EPA now uses more real life road conditions compared to their old
methods.