This is the mentality we are dealing with in the Middle East. Do you
really think such people can be reasoned with and expected to play nice
if we just got up and left Iraq? This is the stuff they will subject
your wives and daughters to as they spread across the region and world.
The form of Islam being practiced here amounts to nothing more than
slavery.

We have two choices: Let these savages continue to abuse women and
religious minorities as they have for 1500 years or try to foster some
hope for the persecuted by letting them see freedom is something within
their grasp also.

--------------------------------------------

Saudi punishes gang rape victim with 200 lashes

Nov 15 10:51 AM US/Eastern


A court in the ultra-conservative kingdom of Saudi Arabia is punishing
a female victim of gang rape with 200 lashes and six months in jail, a
newspaper reported on Thursday.
The 19-year-old woman -- whose six armed attackers have been sentenced
to jail terms -- was initially ordered to undergo 90 lashes for "being
in the car of an unrelated male at the time of the rape," the Arab News
reported.

But in a new verdict issued after Saudi Arabia's Higher Judicial
Council ordered a retrial, the court in the eastern town of Al-Qatif
more than doubled the number of lashes to 200.

A court source told the English-language Arab News that the judges had
decided to punish the woman further for "her attempt to aggravate and
influence the judiciary through the media."

Saudi Arabia enforces a strict Islamic doctrine known as Wahhabism and
forbids unrelated men and women from associating with each other, bans
women from driving and forces them to cover head-to-toe in public.

Last year, the court sentenced six Saudi men to between one and five
years in jail for the rape as well as ordering lashes for the victim, a
member of the minority Shiite community.

But the woman's lawyer Abdul Rahman al-Lahem appealed, arguing that the
punishments were too lenient in a country where the offence can carry
the death penalty.

In the new verdict issued on Wednesday, the Al-Qatif court also
toughened the sentences against the six men to between two and nine
years in prison.

The case has angered members of Saudi Arabia's Shiite community. The
convicted men are Sunni Muslims, the dominant community in the oil-rich
Gulf state.

Lahem, also a human rights activist, told AFP on Wednesday that the
court had banned him from handling the rape case and withdrew his
licence to practise law because he challenged the verdict.

He said he has also been summoned by the ministry of justice to appear
before a disciplinary committee in December.

Lahem said the move might be due to his criticism of some judicial
institutions, and "contradicts King Abdullah's quest to introduce
reform, especially in the justice system."

King Abdullah last month approved a new body of laws regulating the
judicial system in Saudi Arabia, which rules on the basis of sharia, or
Islamic law.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...bub&show_artic
le=1

In message news:xn0fdrec7bjr8dc005@news.readfreenews.net, badgolferman
sprach forth the following:

> We have two choices: Let these savages continue to abuse women and
> religious minorities as they have for 1500 years or try to foster some
> hope for the persecuted by letting them see freedom is something within
> their grasp also.

I agree. Repeal the PATRIOT Act, impeach and hang Bush & Cheney for
wiretapping, torture and other high crimes against humanity and the
Constitution, restore habeus corpus, follow the FISA law, close Gitmo,
abolish the TSA, bring our troops home from 130 countries, halt the NAFTA
super-highway and plans for the NAU, use paper ballots, and suspend all
foreign aid.

That's just a start on demonstrating to the rest of the world that the US
understands the concept of freedom.

In message news:xn0fdrec7bjr8dc005@news.readfreenews.net, badgolferman
sprach forth the following:

> We have two choices: Let these savages continue to abuse women and
> religious minorities as they have for 1500 years or try to foster some
> hope for the persecuted by letting them see freedom is something within
> their grasp also.

I agree. Repeal the PATRIOT Act, impeach and hang Bush & Cheney for
wiretapping, torture and other high crimes against humanity and the
Constitution, restore habeus corpus, follow the FISA law, close Gitmo,
abolish the TSA, bring our troops home from 130 countries, halt the NAFTA
super-highway and plans for the NAU, use paper ballots, and suspend all
foreign aid.

That's just a start on demonstrating to the rest of the world that the US
understands the concept of freedom.

In article <Xns99EA679D39A84FredGarvin@66.250.146.128>,
"Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" <nospam@whitehouse.gov> wrote:

> In message news:xn0fdrec7bjr8dc005@news.readfreenews.net, badgolferman
> sprach forth the following:
>
> > We have two choices: Let these savages continue to abuse women and
> > religious minorities as they have for 1500 years or try to foster some
> > hope for the persecuted by letting them see freedom is something within
> > their grasp also.
>
> I agree. Repeal the PATRIOT Act, impeach and

"hang Bush & Cheney"

That could be construed as a terroistic threat.


> wiretapping, torture and other high crimes against humanity and the
> Constitution, restore habeus corpus, follow the FISA law, close Gitmo,
> abolish the TSA, bring our troops home from 130 countries, halt the NAFTA
> super-highway and plans for the NAU, use paper ballots, and suspend all
> foreign aid.
>
> That's just a start on demonstrating to the rest of the world that the US
> understands the concept of freedom.
--



"It depends on what the meaning of the words 'is' is."

*Bill Clinton

"dbu." <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:nospam-E11587.09410916112007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
> In article <Xns99EA679D39A84FredGarvin@66.250.146.128>,
> "Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" <nospam@whitehouse.gov> wrote:
>
>> In message news:xn0fdrec7bjr8dc005@news.readfreenews.net, badgolferman
>> sprach forth the following:
>>
>> > We have two choices: Let these savages continue to abuse women and
>> > religious minorities as they have for 1500 years or try to foster some
>> > hope for the persecuted by letting them see freedom is something within
>> > their grasp also.
>>
>> I agree. Repeal the PATRIOT Act, impeach and
>
> "hang Bush & Cheney"
>
> That could be construed as a terroistic threat.

That's a weak response.

I wonder what Thomas Jefferson and George Washington would've said about
suspending parts of the constitution just for laughs.

"dbu." <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:nospam-E11587.09410916112007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
> In article <Xns99EA679D39A84FredGarvin@66.250.146.128>,
> "Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" <nospam@whitehouse.gov> wrote:
>
>> In message news:xn0fdrec7bjr8dc005@news.readfreenews.net, badgolferman
>> sprach forth the following:
>>
>> > We have two choices: Let these savages continue to abuse women and
>> > religious minorities as they have for 1500 years or try to foster some
>> > hope for the persecuted by letting them see freedom is something within
>> > their grasp also.
>>
>> I agree. Repeal the PATRIOT Act, impeach and
>
> "hang Bush & Cheney"
>
> That could be construed as a terroistic threat.
>
>

That is all you can latch onto?? Go back to your belly button lint.....


>> wiretapping, torture and other high crimes against humanity and the
>> Constitution, restore habeus corpus, follow the FISA law, close Gitmo,
>> abolish the TSA, bring our troops home from 130 countries, halt the NAFTA
>> super-highway and plans for the NAU, use paper ballots, and suspend all
>> foreign aid.
>>
>> That's just a start on demonstrating to the rest of the world that the US
>> understands the concept of freedom.
> --
>
>
>
> "It depends on what the meaning of the words 'is' is."
>
> *Bill Clinton

In article <Ogj%i.6$e35.4@trnddc08>,
"Truckdude" <shrub@thadeecider.com> wrote:

> "dbu." <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:nospam-E11587.09410916112007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
> > In article <Xns99EA679D39A84FredGarvin@66.250.146.128>,
> > "Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" <nospam@whitehouse.gov> wrote:
> >
> >> In message news:xn0fdrec7bjr8dc005@news.readfreenews.net, badgolferman
> >> sprach forth the following:
> >>
> >> > We have two choices: Let these savages continue to abuse women and
> >> > religious minorities as they have for 1500 years or try to foster some
> >> > hope for the persecuted by letting them see freedom is something within
> >> > their grasp also.
> >>
> >> I agree. Repeal the PATRIOT Act, impeach and
> >
> > "hang Bush & Cheney"
> >
> > That could be construed as a terroistic threat.
> >
> >
>
> That is all you can latch onto?? Go back to your belly button lint.....

What?? There was nothing to "latch onto".

What are we supposed to be latching onto here?
--



"It depends on what the meaning of the words 'is' is."

*Bill Clinton

F.H., 11/16/2007,11:15:42 AM, wrote:

> badgolferman wrote:
>
> > Do you really think such people can be reasoned with and expected
> > to play nice if we just got up and left?
>
> > We have two choices: Let these savages continue.............
>
>
> History repeating, "the only good Indian is a dead Indian." This
> time its black gold.
>
> February 1890, the United States, in order to accommodate
> homesteaders from he east, broke a Lakota treaty by adjusting the
> Great Sioux Reservation of South Dakota, an area that formerly
> encompassed the majority of the state, into five relatively smaller
> reservations.
>
> The Lakota were overwhelmed by the flood of settlers onto their
> lands. A gold rush in the 1870’s brought hordes of prospectors and
> settlers. Many whites wanted to claim the Black Hills, which formed
> part of the assigned land given to the Lakota by the 1868 Fort
> Laramie Treaty, but the Lakota were not interested in selling this
> territory which they considered sacred.
>
> On December 29, 1890 over 260 Lakota civilians were murdered near
> Wounded Knee Creek South Dakota, by members of the United States
> Army. Twenty of these soldiers were awarded the Congressional Medal
> of Honor.

Here we go with liberal self-hatred and blame-America for everything
again.

"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:xn0fdrw30c7upoi001@news.readfreenews.net...


>> History repeating, "the only good Indian is a dead Indian." This
>> time its black gold.
>>
>> February 1890, the United States, in order to accommodate
>> homesteaders from he east, broke a Lakota treaty by adjusting the
>> Great Sioux Reservation of South Dakota, an area that formerly
>> encompassed the majority of the state, into five relatively smaller
>> reservations.
>>
>> The Lakota were overwhelmed by the flood of settlers onto their
>> lands. A gold rush in the 1870's brought hordes of prospectors and
>> settlers. Many whites wanted to claim the Black Hills, which formed
>> part of the assigned land given to the Lakota by the 1868 Fort
>> Laramie Treaty, but the Lakota were not interested in selling this
>> territory which they considered sacred.
>>
>> On December 29, 1890 over 260 Lakota civilians were murdered near
>> Wounded Knee Creek South Dakota, by members of the United States
>> Army. Twenty of these soldiers were awarded the Congressional Medal
>> of Honor.
>
> Here we go with liberal self-hatred and blame-America for everything
> again.

Oh. I guess it was the Russians killing natives at wounded knee.

badgolferman wrote:
> F.H., 11/16/2007,11:15:42 AM, wrote:
>
>> badgolferman wrote:
>>
>>> Do you really think such people can be reasoned with and expected
>>> to play nice if we just got up and left?
>>> We have two choices: Let these savages continue.............
>>
>> History repeating, "the only good Indian is a dead Indian." This
>> time its black gold.
>>
>> February 1890, the United States, in order to accommodate
>> homesteaders from he east, broke a Lakota treaty by adjusting the
>> Great Sioux Reservation of South Dakota, an area that formerly
>> encompassed the majority of the state, into five relatively smaller
>> reservations.
>>
>> The Lakota were overwhelmed by the flood of settlers onto their
>> lands. A gold rush in the 1870’s brought hordes of prospectors and
>> settlers. Many whites wanted to claim the Black Hills, which formed
>> part of the assigned land given to the Lakota by the 1868 Fort
>> Laramie Treaty, but the Lakota were not interested in selling this
>> territory which they considered sacred.
>>
>> On December 29, 1890 over 260 Lakota civilians were murdered near
>> Wounded Knee Creek South Dakota, by members of the United States
>> Army. Twenty of these soldiers were awarded the Congressional Medal
>> of Honor.
>
> Here we go with liberal self-hatred and blame-America for everything
> again.

No simple one, its an analogy. And history. And an example of how the
supply of people like you never ends. The "such people" you speak of
change over time but the way people like you deal with them remains the
same. *Then* we were gonna help *them* by teaching a culture of hunters
to be farmers. On crappy land. Land *we* decided they should farm.

Today, we are *exporting* democracy and the resource we are attempting
to steal is not gold but oil.