On 2007-12-05 20:33:10 -0800, EdV <systmengr@hotmail.com> said:

> It is no longer required to change the ATF on the 5spd A/T on the 2007
> Camry, at least that's what the label on the dipstick says, if the car
> is driven under normal conditions. WTF?
>
> Is it the same for the Sienna and Scion who uses the same 5 spd A/T??

Old stuff. BMW has 100K ATF fluid.

IMO, not a good idea. I change ours every 40K. Expensive at 27 bucks
a quart, but worth it.

On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 21:39:56 -0800, witfal <nospam@all4.me> wrote:

>On 2007-12-05 20:33:10 -0800, EdV <systmengr@hotmail.com> said:
>
>> It is no longer required to change the ATF on the 5spd A/T on the 2007
>> Camry, at least that's what the label on the dipstick says, if the car
>> is driven under normal conditions. WTF?
>>
>> Is it the same for the Sienna and Scion who uses the same 5 spd A/T??
>
>Old stuff. BMW has 100K ATF fluid.
>
>IMO, not a good idea. I change ours every 40K. Expensive at 27 bucks
>a quart, but worth it.

Expensive YES but worth it, I doubt it. Do you think the manufacturer
is going to recommend something that will result in damage to the car?
Do you think you know more about your car than the people who designed
and built it?

Jack

"Retired VIP" <jackj.extradots.180@windstream.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 21:39:56 -0800, witfal <nospam@all4.me> wrote:
>
>>On 2007-12-05 20:33:10 -0800, EdV <systmengr@hotmail.com> said:
>>
>>> It is no longer required to change the ATF on the 5spd A/T on the 2007
>>> Camry, at least that's what the label on the dipstick says, if the car
>>> is driven under normal conditions. WTF?
>>>
>>> Is it the same for the Sienna and Scion who uses the same 5 spd A/T??
>>
>>Old stuff. BMW has 100K ATF fluid.
>>
>>IMO, not a good idea. I change ours every 40K. Expensive at 27 bucks
>>a quart, but worth it.
>
> Expensive YES but worth it, I doubt it. Do you think the manufacturer
> is going to recommend something that will result in damage to the car?
> Do you think you know more about your car than the people who designed
> and built it?
>
> Jack

I have but two words to say to that: "Planned obsolescence."

Charles the Curmudgeon.

On 2007-12-06 04:27:41 -0800, Retired VIP
<jackj.extradots.180@windstream.net> said:
>> Old stuff. BMW has 100K ATF fluid.
>>
>> IMO, not a good idea. I change ours every 40K. Expensive at 27 bucks
>> a quart, but worth it.
>
> Expensive YES but worth it, I doubt it. Do you think the manufacturer
> is going to recommend something that will result in damage to the car?
> Do you think you know more about your car than the people who designed
> and built it?

Even BMW factory and independent mechanics don't agree with the 100K
change UNLESS you don't plan on keeping the car past 75K or so.

I'll defer to them rather than a usenet expert any day.

On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 21:39:56 -0800, witfal <nospam@all4.me> wrote:

>On 2007-12-05 20:33:10 -0800, EdV <systmengr@hotmail.com> said:
>
>> It is no longer required to change the ATF on the 5spd A/T on the 2007
>> Camry, at least that's what the label on the dipstick says, if the car
>> is driven under normal conditions. WTF?
>>
>> Is it the same for the Sienna and Scion who uses the same 5 spd A/T??
>
>Old stuff. BMW has 100K ATF fluid.

If it makes it that far....


>
>IMO, not a good idea. I change ours every 40K. Expensive at 27 bucks
>a quart, but worth it.
--
Scott in Florida

>
> Even BMW factory and independent mechanics don't agree with the 100K
> change UNLESS you don't plan on keeping the car past 75K or so.
>
> I'll defer to them rather than a usenet expert any day.
>
And do they have a financial interest in getting you to pay for something
you don't really need. You betcha.

Jack G.

On 2007-12-06 11:41:47 -0800, "Jack G" <remove.jgrouell@comcast.net> said:

>>
>> Even BMW factory and independent mechanics don't agree with the 100K
>> change UNLESS you don't plan on keeping the car past 75K or so.
>>
>> I'll defer to them rather than a usenet expert any day.
>>
> And do they have a financial interest in getting you to pay for something
> you don't really need. You betcha.

Now or later. Change your fluids at reasonable intervals, or pay to
rebuild/replace.

Old stuff.

Newer BMWs have completely sealed trannies. No dipsticks for engine
oil or ATF! Oil level checked by sensor and displayed.

I also read manual gear oil costs $300 per change so people substitute
Redline!



On Dec 5, 9:39 pm, witfal <nos...@all4.me> wrote:
> Old stuff. BMW has 100K ATF fluid.
>
> IMO, not a good idea. I change ours every 40K. Expensive at 27 bucks
> a quart, but worth it.

All "conventional" ATF should easily make 100K miles. Synthetics
probably a lot more. It's just that Toyota expects its owners to trade
them in long before then.

http://autos.yahoo.com/maintain/repa...ques123_0.html

BMW is *the* performance standard, and the 2008 Cadillac CTS is
considered #2 by reviewers. If you want a dolled-up Toyota then
consider Lexus. I just didn't realize the LS flagship's suspension
could be so cheesy.

Motor Trend's 2008 Car of the Year:
http://www.cadillac.com/cadillacjsp/...=cts&year=2008




On Dec 6, 7:51 am, Scott in Florida <JustA...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >Old stuff. BMW has 100K ATF fluid.
>
> If it makes it that far....
>
>
>
> >IMO, not a good idea. I change ours every 40K. Expensive at 27 bucks
> >a quart, but worth it.
>
> --
> Scott in Florida

I don't think BMW's new Tiptronics and GM's new 6T/6L clutch-to-clutch
transmissions even have drain and fill plugs! So these will LITERALLY
be lifetime fills.



On Dec 6, 7:41 am, witfal <nos...@all4.me> wrote:
> Even BMW factory and independent mechanics don't agree with the 100K
> change UNLESS you don't plan on keeping the car past 75K or so.
>
> I'll defer to them rather than a usenet expert any day.