I have a VIN number on vehicle that does not identify the year in the 10th
digit.

How do I tell if it come for Europe or wherever?

Devils Advocate wrote:
> I have a VIN number on vehicle that does not identify the year in the 10th
> digit.
>
> How do I tell if it come for Europe or wherever?

What is the VIN, the make, model and year of the vehicle?

Jeff

"Devils Advocate" <devilsadvocate66@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>I have a VIN number on vehicle that does not identify the year in the 10th
>digit.
>
> How do I tell if it come for Europe or wherever?

The VIN Label will identify the manufacturer, but you should be able to tell
the country of assembly by looking for a certification label. These are
ususally on the drivers door edge.

Ed

What year is the car, and what is the 10th digit?


"Devils Advocate" <devilsadvocate66@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>I have a VIN number on vehicle that does not identify the year in the 10th
>digit.
>
> How do I tell if it come for Europe or wherever?
>

"Devils Advocate" <devilsadvocate66@hotmail.com> wrote in
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> I have a VIN number on vehicle that does not identify the year in the
> 10th digit.
>
> How do I tell if it come for Europe or wherever?
>
>



Where is the VIN tag on your car? What are the first seven characters of
the VIN? (Don't worry, you are giving up no personal info with those
characters.)

North American VIN tags are /always/ visible at the base of the windshield.

Asian VIN tags are under the hood, immediately above the left-side front
wheel. I believe European VIN plates are also under the hood.

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Tegger

"Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
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> "Devils Advocate" <devilsadvocate66@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:476133e9$0$5276$9a566e8b@news.aliant.net:
>
>> I have a VIN number on vehicle that does not identify the year in the
>> 10th digit.
>>
>> How do I tell if it come for Europe or wherever?
>>
>>
>
>
>
> Where is the VIN tag on your car? What are the first seven characters of
> the VIN? (Don't worry, you are giving up no personal info with those
> characters.)
>
> North American VIN tags are /always/ visible at the base of the
> windshield.
>
> Asian VIN tags are under the hood, immediately above the left-side front
> wheel. I believe European VIN plates are also under the hood.
>
> --
> Tegger

Also, there is a universal system to the first few digits, no matter where
it's from 1-5 are North America with 1 4 and 5 being US, 2 being Canada and
3 being Mexico. J is Japan.

However, I have noticed that Japanese cars that make it to North America
have the North American style VIN behind the lower corner of the windshield
like North American cars to. Also there is a 17 digit VIN on Japanese made
Toyotas, but it has the old style VIN stamped on the firewall in the engine
compartment. Some North American cars have this number stamped on the
firewall, too. Don't know if they're still doing it.

Also, in most cases there is also a vin plate just on the rear part of the
frame of the driver's door no matter where it's made. Should show date of
manufacture and a few other things.

Charles the Curmudgeon

"n5hsr" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote in
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>
> However, I have noticed that Japanese cars that make it to North
> America have the North American style VIN behind the lower corner of
> the windshield like North American cars to.



That is a North American legal requirement which does not exist elsewhere
in the world. Foreign cars must comply with this requirement on vehicles
shipped for sale in the US/Canadian markets.



> Also there is a 17 digit
> VIN on Japanese made Toyotas, but it has the old style VIN stamped on
> the firewall in the engine compartment. Some North American cars have
> this number stamped on the firewall, too. Don't know if they're still
> doing it.



The VIN is present in several locations on all cars. I do believe there is
a legal requirment for the VIN to be stamped into the firewall, as that
part is the only part which IS "the car" itself. The firewall is analogous
to the receiver of a firearm.

Of import to the OP is the presence (or not) of a VIN tag visible in the
windshield. The presence of such a tag is proof the car was made for North
America.





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Tegger

"Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
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> "n5hsr" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote in
> news:QsSdnemUw_xGMvzanZ2dnUVZ_tSknZ2d@comcast.com:
>
>
>>
>> However, I have noticed that Japanese cars that make it to North
>> America have the North American style VIN behind the lower corner of
>> the windshield like North American cars to.
>
>
>
> That is a North American legal requirement which does not exist elsewhere
> in the world. Foreign cars must comply with this requirement on vehicles
> shipped for sale in the US/Canadian markets.
>
>
>
>> Also there is a 17 digit
>> VIN on Japanese made Toyotas, but it has the old style VIN stamped on
>> the firewall in the engine compartment. Some North American cars have
>> this number stamped on the firewall, too. Don't know if they're still
>> doing it.
>
>
>
> The VIN is present in several locations on all cars. I do believe there is
> a legal requirment for the VIN to be stamped into the firewall, as that
> part is the only part which IS "the car" itself. The firewall is analogous
> to the receiver of a firearm.
>
> Of import to the OP is the presence (or not) of a VIN tag visible in the
> windshield. The presence of such a tag is proof the car was made for North
> America.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Tegger
>

I'm trying to remember when the Vin visible through the Windshield was first
implimented I think it might have been 1968. Our 72 Carina had one, but
our 63 Chevy II did not. I'm trying to remember if Uncle Bills lease car
(67 Chevy Caprice Sedan) had it or not. We had no cars that dated between
1963 and 1972.

Charles the Curmudgeon

"n5hsr" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote in
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>
> "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in
> message
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>> "n5hsr" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote in
>> news:QsSdnemUw_xGMvzanZ2dnUVZ_tSknZ2d@comcast.com:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> However, I have noticed that
>>> Japanese cars that make it to North
>>> America have the North American
>>> style VIN behind the lower corner of
>>> the windshield like North American
>>> cars to.
>>
>>
>>
>> That is a North American legal
>> requirement which does not exist
>> elsewhere
>> in the world. Foreign cars must
>> comply with this requirement on
>> vehicles
>> shipped for sale in the US/Canadian
>> markets.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Also there is a 17 digit
>>> VIN on Japanese made Toyotas, but it
>>> has the old style VIN stamped on
>>> the firewall in the engine
>>> compartment. Some North American
>>> cars have
>>> this number stamped on the firewall,
>>> too. Don't know if they're still
>>> doing it.
>>
>>
>>
>> The VIN is present in several
>> locations on all cars. I do believe
>> there is
>> a legal requirment for the VIN to be
>> stamped into the firewall, as that
>> part is the only part which IS "the
>> car" itself. The firewall is
>> analogous
>> to the receiver of a firearm.
>>
>> Of import to the OP is the presence
>> (or not) of a VIN tag visible in the
>> windshield. The presence of such a
>> tag is proof the car was made for
>> North
>> America.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Tegger
>>
>
> I'm trying to remember when the Vin
> visible through the Windshield was
> first implimented I think it might
> have been 1968. Our 72 Carina had
> one, but our 63 Chevy II did not. I'm
> trying to remember if Uncle Bills
> lease car (67 Chevy Caprice Sedan) had
> it or not. We had no cars that dated
> between 1963 and 1972.
>
> Charles the Curmudgeon
>

If I remember correctly my 1967 El
Camino had one but not my 1966 VW.

Dan

Danny G. wrote:
> "n5hsr" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote in
> message
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>> "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in
>> message
>> news:Xns9A05B7BD0F099tegger@207.14.116.130...
>>> "n5hsr" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote in
>>> news:QsSdnemUw_xGMvzanZ2dnUVZ_tSknZ2d@comcast.com:
>>>
>>>
>>>> However, I have noticed that
>>>> Japanese cars that make it to North
>>>> America have the North American
>>>> style VIN behind the lower corner of
>>>> the windshield like North American
>>>> cars to.
>>>
>>>
>>> That is a North American legal
>>> requirement which does not exist
>>> elsewhere
>>> in the world. Foreign cars must
>>> comply with this requirement on
>>> vehicles
>>> shipped for sale in the US/Canadian
>>> markets.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Also there is a 17 digit
>>>> VIN on Japanese made Toyotas, but it
>>>> has the old style VIN stamped on
>>>> the firewall in the engine
>>>> compartment. Some North American
>>>> cars have
>>>> this number stamped on the firewall,
>>>> too. Don't know if they're still
>>>> doing it.
>>>
>>>
>>> The VIN is present in several
>>> locations on all cars. I do believe
>>> there is
>>> a legal requirment for the VIN to be
>>> stamped into the firewall, as that
>>> part is the only part which IS "the
>>> car" itself. The firewall is
>>> analogous
>>> to the receiver of a firearm.
>>>
>>> Of import to the OP is the presence
>>> (or not) of a VIN tag visible in the
>>> windshield. The presence of such a
>>> tag is proof the car was made for
>>> North
>>> America.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Tegger
>>>
>> I'm trying to remember when the Vin
>> visible through the Windshield was
>> first implimented I think it might
>> have been 1968. Our 72 Carina had
>> one, but our 63 Chevy II did not. I'm
>> trying to remember if Uncle Bills
>> lease car (67 Chevy Caprice Sedan) had
>> it or not. We had no cars that dated
>> between 1963 and 1972.
>>
>> Charles the Curmudgeon
>>
>
> If I remember correctly my 1967 El
> Camino had one but not my 1966 VW.
>
> Dan

The modern standard for VINs was not adopted until 1981. However, before
this, cars usually had a VIN anyway. I would be surprised if they
weren't required. It may be that the VIN is in an unusual place or at
least a place you didn't look, like inside the door.

Apparantly, at least some VWs had them:
http://www.cybertects.co.uk/scirocco/vincheck.php