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Old 01-21-2008, 01:35 AM
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http://autos.yahoo.com/consumerrepor...used_cars.html

These are models that have performed well in Consumer Reports road tests
over the years and have proved to have several or more years of
better-than-average Used Car Verdict. They are listed alphabetically.

Best Used Cars

Acura Integra
Acura MDX
Acura RL
Acura RSX
Acura TL
BMW Z3, Z4
Buick Regal
Chevrolet Prizm
Ford Crown Victoria
Ford Escort
Mustang (V8)
Honda Accord
Honda Civic
Honda Civic Hybrid
Honda CR-V
Honda Element
Honda Odyssey
Honda Pilot
Honda Prelude
Honda S2000
Infiniti FX35 (V6)
Infiniti G20


Infiniti G35
Infiniti I30, I35
Infiniti QX4
Lexus ES300, ES330
Lexus GS300/GS400, GS430
Lexus IS300
Lexus GX470
Lexus LS400, LS430
Lexus RX300, RX330
Lincoln Town Car
Mazda Millenia
Mazda MX-5 Miata
Mazda Protegé
Mercury Grand Marquis
Mitsubishi Galant
Nissan Altima
Nissan Maxima
Nissan Murano
Nissan Pathfinder
Pontiac Vibe

Subaru Forester
Subaru Impreza
Subaru Impreza
WRX, STi
Subaru Legacy
Subaru Outback
Toyota 4Runner
Toyota Avalon
Toyota Camry
Toyota Camry Solara
Toyota Celica
Toyota Corolla
Toyota Echo
Toyota Highlander
Toyota Land Cruiser
Toyota Matrix
Toyota Prius
Toyota RAV4
Toyota Sequoia
Toyota Sienna
Toyota Tundra


Worst Used Cars

BMW 7 Series
BMW X5 (V8)
Chevrolet Astro
Chevrolet Blazer
Chevrolet Express 1500
Chevrolet S-10 (4WD)
Chevrolet TrailBlazer
Chevrolet Venture
Chrysler Town & Country (AWD)
Dodge Grand Caravan (AWD)
GMC Envoy
GMC Jimmy
GMC Safari
GMC Savana 1500
GMC Sonoma (4WD)
Jaguar S-Type
Jaguar X-Type

Kia Sedona
Land Rover Discovery
Lincoln LS
Lincoln Navigator
Mercedes-Benz CLK
Mercedes-Benz E-Class (V8)
Oldsmobile Alero
Oldsmobile Bravada
Oldsmobile Silhouette
Pontiac Aztek
Pontiac Trans Sport/Montana
Saturn Vue (AWD)
Volkswagen Cabrio
Volkswagen Jetta
Volkswagen New Beetle
Volkswagen Passat Wagon (V6)
Volvo XC90





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Old 01-21-2008, 02:38 AM
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Default Re: Best Used Cars vs. Worst Used Cars

Mr4701 wrote:

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>
> Worst Used Cars
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> Lincoln LS
> Lincoln Navigator



Guess my Lincoln LS didn't make the best list!!!

Not surprised S10, Blazer and Jimmy are on there.... not at all..
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Old 01-21-2008, 02:38 AM
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So.... where does the Borgward Isabella stack up in there?

There is nothing worse than someone that has recently discovered <cut> and
<paste>.


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Old 01-21-2008, 03:38 AM
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"Jim Warman" <mechanic@telusplanet.net> wrote in message
news:YoTkj.35799$fj2.7343@edtnps82...
> So.... where does the Borgward Isabella stack up in there?
>
> There is nothing worse than someone that has recently discovered <cut> and
> <paste>.


Hmm, ever notice how folks like yourself are experts at unsubstantial
dismissive insults? It's quite sad. If you want to discuss the topic then
debate consumer reports opinion or just have a cup of stfu like your wife
always gives you; either way.


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Old 01-21-2008, 04:31 AM
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You are discussing a three year old poll.. crossposting it across several
newsgroups no less... Nothing quite like discussing current events, is
there?

I drive those vehicles *I* choose to drive... others have mentioned the same
to you... yet you continue to browbeat the issue..

Perhaps you might pause and think that those that would choose one
particular brand or model over another, may be less likely to respond to a
Consumer Reports poll (let alone actually buy the magazine).

Did you respond to this poll? Did I? Did any others reading this? If we did,
what would we base our pleasure or displeasure on? Could our impressions be
considered objective?

The poll is flawed... and therefore useless...


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Old 01-21-2008, 05:31 PM
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"Jim Warman" <mechanic@telusplanet.net> wrote in message
news:fSUkj.35831$fj2.32938@edtnps82...
> You are discussing a three year old poll.. crossposting it across several
> newsgroups no less... Nothing quite like discussing current events, is
> there?


Actually, that poll was published in April, 2006, so it is not quite two
years old.

Polls based on short run data of new cars are notoriously suspect. The
wheels
dont usually fall off, even on Italian cars, until they are a few years old.

The GM cars are rumored to be doing better as far as quality and durability
over
the past couple of years. Time will tell whether they are classic or
tragic.

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Old 01-21-2008, 05:31 PM
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HLS wrote:
>
> "Jim Warman" <mechanic@telusplanet.net> wrote in message
> news:fSUkj.35831$fj2.32938@edtnps82...
>> You are discussing a three year old poll.. crossposting it across
>> several newsgroups no less... Nothing quite like discussing current
>> events, is there?

>
> Actually, that poll was published in April, 2006, so it is not quite two
> years old.


The poll is more than 2 years old. It takes time to get the poll results
analyzed and the results in print.

> Polls based on short run data of new cars are notoriously suspect. The
> wheels
> dont usually fall off, even on Italian cars, until they are a few years
> old.
>
> The GM cars are rumored to be doing better as far as quality and
> durability over
> the past couple of years. Time will tell whether they are classic or
> tragic.


Or both.
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Old 01-21-2008, 05:31 PM
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After over fifty five years in the busuness I an assuew you the experances
of others is a useless tool to determine if the vehicle you buy will be
reliable or not, once YOU purchase ONE. When one buys a used vehicle there
is no way one can know for sure how that one particular vehicle was used or
aboused or if it was maintained properly or not, no mater who made that
particualar vehicle, since every manufacture makes some that are not up to
snuff. The best way to choose a vehicle is to forget who made it, and judge
the ONE you intend to buy .

"Mr4701" <NoExists@Earth.net> wrote in message
news:KeSkj.3095$Wr4.2082@trnddc04...
> http://autos.yahoo.com/consumerrepor...used_cars.html
>
> These are models that have performed well in Consumer Reports road tests
> over the years and have proved to have several or more years of
> better-than-average Used Car Verdict. They are listed alphabetically.
>
> Best Used Cars
>
> Acura Integra
> Acura MDX
> Acura RL
> Acura RSX
> Acura TL
> BMW Z3, Z4
> Buick Regal
> Chevrolet Prizm
> Ford Crown Victoria
> Ford Escort
> Mustang (V8)
> Honda Accord
> Honda Civic
> Honda Civic Hybrid
> Honda CR-V
> Honda Element
> Honda Odyssey
> Honda Pilot
> Honda Prelude
> Honda S2000
> Infiniti FX35 (V6)
> Infiniti G20
>
>
> Infiniti G35
> Infiniti I30, I35
> Infiniti QX4
> Lexus ES300, ES330
> Lexus GS300/GS400, GS430
> Lexus IS300
> Lexus GX470
> Lexus LS400, LS430
> Lexus RX300, RX330
> Lincoln Town Car
> Mazda Millenia
> Mazda MX-5 Miata
> Mazda Protegi
> Mercury Grand Marquis
> Mitsubishi Galant
> Nissan Altima
> Nissan Maxima
> Nissan Murano
> Nissan Pathfinder
> Pontiac Vibe
>
> Subaru Forester
> Subaru Impreza
> Subaru Impreza
> WRX, STi
> Subaru Legacy
> Subaru Outback
> Toyota 4Runner
> Toyota Avalon
> Toyota Camry
> Toyota Camry Solara
> Toyota Celica
> Toyota Corolla
> Toyota Echo
> Toyota Highlander
> Toyota Land Cruiser
> Toyota Matrix
> Toyota Prius
> Toyota RAV4
> Toyota Sequoia
> Toyota Sienna
> Toyota Tundra
>
>
> Worst Used Cars
>
> BMW 7 Series
> BMW X5 (V8)
> Chevrolet Astro
> Chevrolet Blazer
> Chevrolet Express 1500
> Chevrolet S-10 (4WD)
> Chevrolet TrailBlazer
> Chevrolet Venture
> Chrysler Town & Country (AWD)
> Dodge Grand Caravan (AWD)
> GMC Envoy
> GMC Jimmy
> GMC Safari
> GMC Savana 1500
> GMC Sonoma (4WD)
> Jaguar S-Type
> Jaguar X-Type
>
> Kia Sedona
> Land Rover Discovery
> Lincoln LS
> Lincoln Navigator
> Mercedes-Benz CLK
> Mercedes-Benz E-Class (V8)
> Oldsmobile Alero
> Oldsmobile Bravada
> Oldsmobile Silhouette
> Pontiac Aztek
> Pontiac Trans Sport/Montana
> Saturn Vue (AWD)
> Volkswagen Cabrio
> Volkswagen Jetta
> Volkswagen New Beetle
> Volkswagen Passat Wagon (V6)
> Volvo XC90
>
>
>
>



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Old 01-22-2008, 12:38 AM
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"Mr4701" <NoExists@Earth.net> wrote in message news:KeSkj.3095$Wr4.2082@trnddc04...
> http://autos.yahoo.com/consumerrepor...used_cars.html
>
> These are models that have performed well in Consumer Reports road tests over the years and have proved to have several or more
> years of better-than-average Used Car Verdict. They are listed alphabetically.
>


I wonder why the Geo Metro (now known as the Chevy Metro) isn't listed.


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Mike hunt wrote:
> After over fifty five years in the busuness I an assuew you the experances
> of others is a useless tool to determine if the vehicle you buy will be
> reliable or not, once YOU purchase ONE. When one buys a used vehicle there
> is no way one can know for sure how that one particular vehicle was used or
> aboused or if it was maintained properly or not, no mater who made that
> particualar vehicle, since every manufacture makes some that are not up to
> snuff. The best way to choose a vehicle is to forget who made it, and judge
> the ONE you intend to buy .


I have to disagree with you on whether or not the experiences of others
is valuable.

If you were buying a 1987 model car, do you really think that a Yugo
would be as likely to go as far as a 1987 Honda Civic or a Ford Taurus?

While you're correct that one can't always determine how well a car is
maintained, each vehicle model has specific limitations. If bought an
Oldsmobile Cutlass Diesel, no matter how well you maintained it, chances
are that you would run into problems because of the limitations of the
diesel engine (although some of the engine lasted a long time).
Likewise, if you bought a used 1987 Ford Taurus, your chances of having
many trouble-free miles is higher than if you bought a 1985 Olds Cutlass
Ciera with the diesel engine or a '87 Yugo.

Well maintained automobiles have limitations on how long they last.

If you buy a used car model that doesn't last long, it's not going to
last as long as a used car that is a model that does last long.

IMHO, what you're saying is that how reliable a vehicle is has nothing
to do with how long it will last when you buy it used.

Jeff

> "Mr4701" <NoExists@Earth.net> wrote in message
> news:KeSkj.3095$Wr4.2082@trnddc04...
>> http://autos.yahoo.com/consumerrepor...used_cars.html
>>
>> These are models that have performed well in Consumer Reports road tests
>> over the years and have proved to have several or more years of
>> better-than-average Used Car Verdict. They are listed alphabetically.
>>
>> Best Used Cars
>>
>> Acura Integra
>> Acura MDX
>> Acura RL
>> Acura RSX
>> Acura TL
>> BMW Z3, Z4
>> Buick Regal
>> Chevrolet Prizm
>> Ford Crown Victoria
>> Ford Escort
>> Mustang (V8)
>> Honda Accord
>> Honda Civic
>> Honda Civic Hybrid
>> Honda CR-V
>> Honda Element
>> Honda Odyssey
>> Honda Pilot
>> Honda Prelude
>> Honda S2000
>> Infiniti FX35 (V6)
>> Infiniti G20
>>
>>
>> Infiniti G35
>> Infiniti I30, I35
>> Infiniti QX4
>> Lexus ES300, ES330
>> Lexus GS300/GS400, GS430
>> Lexus IS300
>> Lexus GX470
>> Lexus LS400, LS430
>> Lexus RX300, RX330
>> Lincoln Town Car
>> Mazda Millenia
>> Mazda MX-5 Miata
>> Mazda Protegi
>> Mercury Grand Marquis
>> Mitsubishi Galant
>> Nissan Altima
>> Nissan Maxima
>> Nissan Murano
>> Nissan Pathfinder
>> Pontiac Vibe
>>
>> Subaru Forester
>> Subaru Impreza
>> Subaru Impreza
>> WRX, STi
>> Subaru Legacy
>> Subaru Outback
>> Toyota 4Runner
>> Toyota Avalon
>> Toyota Camry
>> Toyota Camry Solara
>> Toyota Celica
>> Toyota Corolla
>> Toyota Echo
>> Toyota Highlander
>> Toyota Land Cruiser
>> Toyota Matrix
>> Toyota Prius
>> Toyota RAV4
>> Toyota Sequoia
>> Toyota Sienna
>> Toyota Tundra
>>
>>
>> Worst Used Cars
>>
>> BMW 7 Series
>> BMW X5 (V8)
>> Chevrolet Astro
>> Chevrolet Blazer
>> Chevrolet Express 1500
>> Chevrolet S-10 (4WD)
>> Chevrolet TrailBlazer
>> Chevrolet Venture
>> Chrysler Town & Country (AWD)
>> Dodge Grand Caravan (AWD)
>> GMC Envoy
>> GMC Jimmy
>> GMC Safari
>> GMC Savana 1500
>> GMC Sonoma (4WD)
>> Jaguar S-Type
>> Jaguar X-Type
>>
>> Kia Sedona
>> Land Rover Discovery
>> Lincoln LS
>> Lincoln Navigator
>> Mercedes-Benz CLK
>> Mercedes-Benz E-Class (V8)
>> Oldsmobile Alero
>> Oldsmobile Bravada
>> Oldsmobile Silhouette
>> Pontiac Aztek
>> Pontiac Trans Sport/Montana
>> Saturn Vue (AWD)
>> Volkswagen Cabrio
>> Volkswagen Jetta
>> Volkswagen New Beetle
>> Volkswagen Passat Wagon (V6)
>> Volvo XC90
>>
>>
>>
>>

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