Any of you good ol' Republican boys still all bent out of shape about
Wright's comments? Better make sure all your ducks are in order before you
reveal your hypocrisy.....

May 4, 2008
Op-Ed Columnist
The All-White Elephant in the Room
By FRANK RICH
BORED by those endless replays of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright? If so, go
directly to YouTube, search for "John Hagee Roman Church Hitler," and be
recharged by a fresh jolt of clerical jive.

What you'll find is a white televangelist, the Rev. John Hagee, lecturing in
front of an enormous diorama. Wielding a pointer, he pokes at the image of a
woman with Pamela Anderson-sized breasts, her hand raising a golden chalice.
The woman is "the Great Whore," Mr. Hagee explains, and she is drinking "the
blood of the Jewish people." That's because the Great Whore represents "the
Roman Church," which, in his view, has thirsted for Jewish blood throughout
history, from the Crusades to the Holocaust.

Mr. Hagee is not a fringe kook but the pastor of a Texas megachurch. On Feb.
27, he stood with John McCain and endorsed him over the religious
conservatives' favorite, Mike Huckabee, who was then still in the race.

Are we really to believe that neither Mr. McCain nor his camp knew anything
then about Mr. Hagee's views? This particular YouTube video - far from the
only one - was posted on Jan. 1, nearly two months before the Hagee-McCain
press conference. Mr. Hagee appears on multiple religious networks,
including twice daily on the largest, Trinity Broadcasting, which reaches 75
million homes. Any 12-year-old with a laptop could have vetted this preacher
in 30 seconds, tops.

Since then, Mr. McCain has been shocked to learn that his clerical ally has
made many other outrageous statements. Mr. Hagee, it's true, did not blame
the American government for concocting AIDS. But he did say that God created
Hurricane Katrina to punish New Orleans for its sins, particularly a
scheduled "homosexual parade there on the Monday that Katrina came."

Mr. Hagee didn't make that claim in obscure circumstances, either. He
broadcast it on one of America's most widely heard radio programs, "Fresh
Air" on NPR, back in September 2006. He reaffirmed it in a radio interview
less than two weeks ago. Only after a reporter asked Mr. McCain about this
Katrina homily on April 24 did the candidate brand it as "nonsense" and the
preacher retract it.

Mr. McCain says he does not endorse any of Mr. Hagee's calumnies, any more
than Barack Obama endorses Mr. Wright's. But those who try to give Mr.
McCain a pass for his embrace of a problematic preacher have a thin case. It
boils down to this: Mr. McCain was not a parishioner for 20 years at Mr.
Hagee's church.

That defense implies, incorrectly, that Mr. McCain was a passive recipient
of this bigot's endorsement. In fact, by his own account, Mr. McCain sought
out Mr. Hagee, who is perhaps best known for trying to drum up a pre-emptive
"holy war" with Iran. (This preacher's rantings may tell us more about Mr.
McCain's policy views than Mr. Wright's tell us about Mr. Obama's.) Even
after Mr. Hagee's Catholic bashing bubbled up in the mainstream media, Mr.
McCain still did not reject and denounce him, as Mr. Obama did an
unsolicited endorser, Louis Farrakhan, at the urging of Tim Russert and
Hillary Clinton. Mr. McCain instead told George Stephanopoulos two Sundays
ago that while he condemns any "anti-anything" remarks by Mr. Hagee, he is
still "glad to have his endorsement."

I wonder if Mr. McCain would have given the same answer had Mr.
Stephanopoulos confronted him with the graphic video of the pastor in full
"Great Whore" glory. But Mr. McCain didn't have to fear so rude a
transgression. Mr. Hagee's videos have never had the same circulation on
television as Mr. Wright's. A sonorous white preacher spouting venom just
doesn't have the telegenic zing of a theatrical black man.

Perhaps that's why virtually no one has rebroadcast the highly relevant
prototype for Mr. Wright's fiery claim that 9/11 was America's chickens
"coming home to roost." That would be the Sept. 13, 2001, televised exchange
between Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell, who blamed the attacks on America's
abortionists, feminists, gays and A.C.L.U. lawyers. (Mr. Wright blamed the
attacks on America's foreign policy.) Had that video re-emerged in the
frenzied cable-news rotation, Mr. McCain might have been asked to explain
why he no longer calls these preachers "agents of intolerance" and chose to
cozy up to Mr. Falwell by speaking at his Liberty University in 2006.

None of this is to say that two wacky white preachers make a Wright right.
It is entirely fair for any voter to weigh Mr. Obama's long relationship
with his pastor in assessing his fitness for office. It is also fair to
weigh Mr. Obama's judgment in handling this personal and political crisis as
it has repeatedly boiled over. But whatever that verdict, it is disingenuous
to pretend that there isn't a double standard operating here. If we're to
judge black candidates on their most controversial associates - and how
quickly, sternly and completely they disown them - we must judge white
politicians by the same yardstick.

When Rudy Giuliani, still a viable candidate, successfully courted Pat
Robertson for an endorsement last year, few replayed Mr. Robertson's
greatest past insanities. Among them is his best-selling 1991 tome, "The New
World Order," which peddled some of the same old dark conspiracy theories
about "European bankers" (who just happened to be named Warburg, Schiff and
Rothschild) that Mr. Farrakhan has trafficked in. Nor was Mr. Giuliani ever
seriously pressed to explain why his cronies on the payroll at Giuliani
Partners included a priest barred from the ministry by his Long Island
diocese in 2002 following allegations of sexual abuse. Much as Mr. Wright
officiated at the Obamas' wedding, so this priest officiated at (one of) Mr.
Giuliani's. Did you even hear about it?

There is not just a double standard for black and white politicians at play
in too much of the news media and political establishment, but there is also
a glaring double standard for our political parties. The Clintons and Mr.
Obama are always held accountable for their racial stands, as they should
be, but the elephant in the room of our politics is rarely acknowledged: In
the 21st century, the so-called party of Lincoln does not have a single
African-American among its collective 247 senators and representatives in
Washington. Yes, there are appointees like Clarence Thomas and Condi Rice,
but, as we learned during the Mark Foley scandal, even gay men may hold more
G.O.P. positions of power than blacks.

A near half-century after the civil rights acts of the 1960s, this is quite
an achievement. Yet the holier-than-thou politicians and pundits on the
right passing shrill moral judgment over every Democratic racial skirmish
are almost never asked to confront or even acknowledge the racial
dysfunction in their own house. In our mainstream political culture, this de
facto apartheid is simply accepted as an intractable given, unworthy of
notice, and just too embarrassing to mention aloud in polite Beltway
company. Those who dare are instantly accused of "political correctness" or
"reverse racism."

An all-white Congressional delegation doesn't happen by accident. It's the
legacy of race cards that have been dealt since the birth of the Southern
strategy in the Nixon era. No one knows this better than Mr. McCain, whose
own adopted daughter of color was the subject of a vicious smear in his
party's South Carolina primary of 2000.

This year Mr. McCain has called for a respectful (i.e., non-race-baiting)
campaign and has gone so far as to criticize (ineffectually) North Carolina's
Republican Party for running a Wright-demonizing ad in that state's current
primary. Mr. McCain has been posing (awkwardly) with black people in his
tour of "forgotten" America. Speaking of Katrina in New Orleans, he promised
that "never again" would a federal recovery effort be botched on so grand a
scale.

This is all surely sincere, and a big improvement over Mitt Romney's dreams
of his father marching with the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Up to a
point. Here, too, there's a double standard. Mr. McCain is graded on a curve
because the G.O.P. bar is set so low. But at a time when the latest Wall
Street Journal-NBC News poll shows that President Bush is an even greater
drag on his popularity than Mr. Wright is on Mr. Obama's, Mr. McCain's New
Orleans visit is more about the self-interested politics of distancing
himself from Mr. Bush than the recalibration of policy.

Mr. McCain took his party's stingier line on Katrina aid and twice opposed
an independent commission to investigate the failed government response.
Asked on his tour what should happen to the Ninth Ward now, he called for "a
conversation" about whether anyone should "rebuild it, tear it down, you
know, whatever it is." Whatever, whenever, never mind.

For all this primary season's obsession with the single (and declining)
demographic of white working-class men in Rust Belt states, America is
changing rapidly across all racial, generational and ethnic lines. The
Census Bureau announced last week that half the country's population growth
since 2000 is due to Hispanics, another group understandably alienated from
the G.O.P.

Anyone who does the math knows that America is on track to become a
white-minority nation in three to four decades. Yet if there's any coherent
message to be gleaned from the hypocrisy whipped up by Hurricane Jeremiah,
it's that this nation's perennially promised candid conversation on race has
yet to begin.

Hmmm interesting.

I'll pass this on to some folks who are disgusted with the backlash against
Obama.

Natalie

"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:qOIUj.92$Q87.9@fe127.usenetserver.com...
> Any of you good ol' Republican boys still all bent out of shape about
> Wright's comments? Better make sure all your ducks are in order before you
> reveal your hypocrisy.....
>
> May 4, 2008
> Op-Ed Columnist
> The All-White Elephant in the Room
> By FRANK RICH
> BORED by those endless replays of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright? If so, go
> directly to YouTube, search for "John Hagee Roman Church Hitler," and be
> recharged by a fresh jolt of clerical jive.
>
> What you'll find is a white televangelist, the Rev. John Hagee, lecturing
> in front of an enormous diorama. Wielding a pointer, he pokes at the image
> of a woman with Pamela Anderson-sized breasts, her hand raising a golden
> chalice. The woman is "the Great Whore," Mr. Hagee explains, and she is
> drinking "the blood of the Jewish people." That's because the Great Whore
> represents "the Roman Church," which, in his view, has thirsted for Jewish
> blood throughout history, from the Crusades to the Holocaust.
>
> Mr. Hagee is not a fringe kook but the pastor of a Texas megachurch. On
> Feb. 27, he stood with John McCain and endorsed him over the religious
> conservatives' favorite, Mike Huckabee, who was then still in the race.
>
> Are we really to believe that neither Mr. McCain nor his camp knew
> anything then about Mr. Hagee's views? This particular YouTube video - far
> from the only one - was posted on Jan. 1, nearly two months before the
> Hagee-McCain press conference. Mr. Hagee appears on multiple religious
> networks, including twice daily on the largest, Trinity Broadcasting,
> which reaches 75 million homes. Any 12-year-old with a laptop could have
> vetted this preacher in 30 seconds, tops.
>
> Since then, Mr. McCain has been shocked to learn that his clerical ally
> has made many other outrageous statements. Mr. Hagee, it's true, did not
> blame the American government for concocting AIDS. But he did say that God
> created Hurricane Katrina to punish New Orleans for its sins, particularly
> a scheduled "homosexual parade there on the Monday that Katrina came."
>
> Mr. Hagee didn't make that claim in obscure circumstances, either. He
> broadcast it on one of America's most widely heard radio programs, "Fresh
> Air" on NPR, back in September 2006. He reaffirmed it in a radio interview
> less than two weeks ago. Only after a reporter asked Mr. McCain about this
> Katrina homily on April 24 did the candidate brand it as "nonsense" and
> the preacher retract it.
>
> Mr. McCain says he does not endorse any of Mr. Hagee's calumnies, any more
> than Barack Obama endorses Mr. Wright's. But those who try to give Mr.
> McCain a pass for his embrace of a problematic preacher have a thin case.
> It boils down to this: Mr. McCain was not a parishioner for 20 years at
> Mr. Hagee's church.
>
> That defense implies, incorrectly, that Mr. McCain was a passive recipient
> of this bigot's endorsement. In fact, by his own account, Mr. McCain
> sought out Mr. Hagee, who is perhaps best known for trying to drum up a
> pre-emptive "holy war" with Iran. (This preacher's rantings may tell us
> more about Mr. McCain's policy views than Mr. Wright's tell us about Mr.
> Obama's.) Even after Mr. Hagee's Catholic bashing bubbled up in the
> mainstream media, Mr. McCain still did not reject and denounce him, as Mr.
> Obama did an unsolicited endorser, Louis Farrakhan, at the urging of Tim
> Russert and Hillary Clinton. Mr. McCain instead told George Stephanopoulos
> two Sundays ago that while he condemns any "anti-anything" remarks by Mr.
> Hagee, he is still "glad to have his endorsement."
>
> I wonder if Mr. McCain would have given the same answer had Mr.
> Stephanopoulos confronted him with the graphic video of the pastor in full
> "Great Whore" glory. But Mr. McCain didn't have to fear so rude a
> transgression. Mr. Hagee's videos have never had the same circulation on
> television as Mr. Wright's. A sonorous white preacher spouting venom just
> doesn't have the telegenic zing of a theatrical black man.
>
> Perhaps that's why virtually no one has rebroadcast the highly relevant
> prototype for Mr. Wright's fiery claim that 9/11 was America's chickens
> "coming home to roost." That would be the Sept. 13, 2001, televised
> exchange between Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell, who blamed the attacks
> on America's abortionists, feminists, gays and A.C.L.U. lawyers. (Mr.
> Wright blamed the attacks on America's foreign policy.) Had that video
> re-emerged in the frenzied cable-news rotation, Mr. McCain might have been
> asked to explain why he no longer calls these preachers "agents of
> intolerance" and chose to cozy up to Mr. Falwell by speaking at his
> Liberty University in 2006.
>
> None of this is to say that two wacky white preachers make a Wright right.
> It is entirely fair for any voter to weigh Mr. Obama's long relationship
> with his pastor in assessing his fitness for office. It is also fair to
> weigh Mr. Obama's judgment in handling this personal and political crisis
> as it has repeatedly boiled over. But whatever that verdict, it is
> disingenuous to pretend that there isn't a double standard operating here.
> If we're to judge black candidates on their most controversial
> associates - and how quickly, sternly and completely they disown them - we
> must judge white politicians by the same yardstick.
>
> When Rudy Giuliani, still a viable candidate, successfully courted Pat
> Robertson for an endorsement last year, few replayed Mr. Robertson's
> greatest past insanities. Among them is his best-selling 1991 tome, "The
> New World Order," which peddled some of the same old dark conspiracy
> theories about "European bankers" (who just happened to be named Warburg,
> Schiff and Rothschild) that Mr. Farrakhan has trafficked in. Nor was Mr.
> Giuliani ever seriously pressed to explain why his cronies on the payroll
> at Giuliani Partners included a priest barred from the ministry by his
> Long Island diocese in 2002 following allegations of sexual abuse. Much as
> Mr. Wright officiated at the Obamas' wedding, so this priest officiated at
> (one of) Mr. Giuliani's. Did you even hear about it?
>
> There is not just a double standard for black and white politicians at
> play in too much of the news media and political establishment, but there
> is also a glaring double standard for our political parties. The Clintons
> and Mr. Obama are always held accountable for their racial stands, as they
> should be, but the elephant in the room of our politics is rarely
> acknowledged: In the 21st century, the so-called party of Lincoln does not
> have a single African-American among its collective 247 senators and
> representatives in Washington. Yes, there are appointees like Clarence
> Thomas and Condi Rice, but, as we learned during the Mark Foley scandal,
> even gay men may hold more G.O.P. positions of power than blacks.
>
> A near half-century after the civil rights acts of the 1960s, this is
> quite an achievement. Yet the holier-than-thou politicians and pundits on
> the right passing shrill moral judgment over every Democratic racial
> skirmish are almost never asked to confront or even acknowledge the racial
> dysfunction in their own house. In our mainstream political culture, this
> de facto apartheid is simply accepted as an intractable given, unworthy of
> notice, and just too embarrassing to mention aloud in polite Beltway
> company. Those who dare are instantly accused of "political correctness"
> or "reverse racism."
>
> An all-white Congressional delegation doesn't happen by accident. It's the
> legacy of race cards that have been dealt since the birth of the Southern
> strategy in the Nixon era. No one knows this better than Mr. McCain, whose
> own adopted daughter of color was the subject of a vicious smear in his
> party's South Carolina primary of 2000.
>
> This year Mr. McCain has called for a respectful (i.e., non-race-baiting)
> campaign and has gone so far as to criticize (ineffectually) North
> Carolina's Republican Party for running a Wright-demonizing ad in that
> state's current primary. Mr. McCain has been posing (awkwardly) with black
> people in his tour of "forgotten" America. Speaking of Katrina in New
> Orleans, he promised that "never again" would a federal recovery effort be
> botched on so grand a scale.
>
> This is all surely sincere, and a big improvement over Mitt Romney's
> dreams of his father marching with the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Up
> to a point. Here, too, there's a double standard. Mr. McCain is graded on
> a curve because the G.O.P. bar is set so low. But at a time when the
> latest Wall Street Journal-NBC News poll shows that President Bush is an
> even greater drag on his popularity than Mr. Wright is on Mr. Obama's, Mr.
> McCain's New Orleans visit is more about the self-interested politics of
> distancing himself from Mr. Bush than the recalibration of policy.
>
> Mr. McCain took his party's stingier line on Katrina aid and twice opposed
> an independent commission to investigate the failed government response.
> Asked on his tour what should happen to the Ninth Ward now, he called for
> "a conversation" about whether anyone should "rebuild it, tear it down,
> you know, whatever it is." Whatever, whenever, never mind.
>
> For all this primary season's obsession with the single (and declining)
> demographic of white working-class men in Rust Belt states, America is
> changing rapidly across all racial, generational and ethnic lines. The
> Census Bureau announced last week that half the country's population
> growth since 2000 is due to Hispanics, another group understandably
> alienated from the G.O.P.
>
> Anyone who does the math knows that America is on track to become a
> white-minority nation in three to four decades. Yet if there's any
> coherent message to be gleaned from the hypocrisy whipped up by Hurricane
> Jeremiah, it's that this nation's perennially promised candid conversation
> on race has yet to begin.
>
>

Hagee is a whack job as well. Most famous preachers are...



"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:qOIUj.92$Q87.9@fe127.usenetserver.com...
> Any of you good ol' Republican boys still all bent out of shape about
> Wright's comments? Better make sure all your ducks are in order before you
> reveal your hypocrisy.....
>
> May 4, 2008
> Op-Ed Columnist
> The All-White Elephant in the Room
> By FRANK RICH
> BORED by those endless replays of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright? If so, go
> directly to YouTube, search for "John Hagee Roman Church Hitler," and be
> recharged by a fresh jolt of clerical jive.
>
> What you'll find is a white televangelist, the Rev. John Hagee, lecturing
> in front of an enormous diorama. Wielding a pointer, he pokes at the image
> of a woman with Pamela Anderson-sized breasts, her hand raising a golden
> chalice. The woman is "the Great Whore," Mr. Hagee explains, and she is
> drinking "the blood of the Jewish people." That's because the Great Whore
> represents "the Roman Church," which, in his view, has thirsted for Jewish
> blood throughout history, from the Crusades to the Holocaust.
>
> Mr. Hagee is not a fringe kook but the pastor of a Texas megachurch. On
> Feb. 27, he stood with John McCain and endorsed him over the religious
> conservatives' favorite, Mike Huckabee, who was then still in the race.
>
> Are we really to believe that neither Mr. McCain nor his camp knew
> anything then about Mr. Hagee's views? This particular YouTube video - far
> from the only one - was posted on Jan. 1, nearly two months before the
> Hagee-McCain press conference. Mr. Hagee appears on multiple religious
> networks, including twice daily on the largest, Trinity Broadcasting,
> which reaches 75 million homes. Any 12-year-old with a laptop could have
> vetted this preacher in 30 seconds, tops.
>
> Since then, Mr. McCain has been shocked to learn that his clerical ally
> has made many other outrageous statements. Mr. Hagee, it's true, did not
> blame the American government for concocting AIDS. But he did say that God
> created Hurricane Katrina to punish New Orleans for its sins, particularly
> a scheduled "homosexual parade there on the Monday that Katrina came."
>
> Mr. Hagee didn't make that claim in obscure circumstances, either. He
> broadcast it on one of America's most widely heard radio programs, "Fresh
> Air" on NPR, back in September 2006. He reaffirmed it in a radio interview
> less than two weeks ago. Only after a reporter asked Mr. McCain about this
> Katrina homily on April 24 did the candidate brand it as "nonsense" and
> the preacher retract it.
>
> Mr. McCain says he does not endorse any of Mr. Hagee's calumnies, any more
> than Barack Obama endorses Mr. Wright's. But those who try to give Mr.
> McCain a pass for his embrace of a problematic preacher have a thin case.
> It boils down to this: Mr. McCain was not a parishioner for 20 years at
> Mr. Hagee's church.
>
> That defense implies, incorrectly, that Mr. McCain was a passive recipient
> of this bigot's endorsement. In fact, by his own account, Mr. McCain
> sought out Mr. Hagee, who is perhaps best known for trying to drum up a
> pre-emptive "holy war" with Iran. (This preacher's rantings may tell us
> more about Mr. McCain's policy views than Mr. Wright's tell us about Mr.
> Obama's.) Even after Mr. Hagee's Catholic bashing bubbled up in the
> mainstream media, Mr. McCain still did not reject and denounce him, as Mr.
> Obama did an unsolicited endorser, Louis Farrakhan, at the urging of Tim
> Russert and Hillary Clinton. Mr. McCain instead told George Stephanopoulos
> two Sundays ago that while he condemns any "anti-anything" remarks by Mr.
> Hagee, he is still "glad to have his endorsement."
>
> I wonder if Mr. McCain would have given the same answer had Mr.
> Stephanopoulos confronted him with the graphic video of the pastor in full
> "Great Whore" glory. But Mr. McCain didn't have to fear so rude a
> transgression. Mr. Hagee's videos have never had the same circulation on
> television as Mr. Wright's. A sonorous white preacher spouting venom just
> doesn't have the telegenic zing of a theatrical black man.
>
> Perhaps that's why virtually no one has rebroadcast the highly relevant
> prototype for Mr. Wright's fiery claim that 9/11 was America's chickens
> "coming home to roost." That would be the Sept. 13, 2001, televised
> exchange between Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell, who blamed the attacks
> on America's abortionists, feminists, gays and A.C.L.U. lawyers. (Mr.
> Wright blamed the attacks on America's foreign policy.) Had that video
> re-emerged in the frenzied cable-news rotation, Mr. McCain might have been
> asked to explain why he no longer calls these preachers "agents of
> intolerance" and chose to cozy up to Mr. Falwell by speaking at his
> Liberty University in 2006.
>
> None of this is to say that two wacky white preachers make a Wright right.
> It is entirely fair for any voter to weigh Mr. Obama's long relationship
> with his pastor in assessing his fitness for office. It is also fair to
> weigh Mr. Obama's judgment in handling this personal and political crisis
> as it has repeatedly boiled over. But whatever that verdict, it is
> disingenuous to pretend that there isn't a double standard operating here.
> If we're to judge black candidates on their most controversial
> associates - and how quickly, sternly and completely they disown them - we
> must judge white politicians by the same yardstick.
>
> When Rudy Giuliani, still a viable candidate, successfully courted Pat
> Robertson for an endorsement last year, few replayed Mr. Robertson's
> greatest past insanities. Among them is his best-selling 1991 tome, "The
> New World Order," which peddled some of the same old dark conspiracy
> theories about "European bankers" (who just happened to be named Warburg,
> Schiff and Rothschild) that Mr. Farrakhan has trafficked in. Nor was Mr.
> Giuliani ever seriously pressed to explain why his cronies on the payroll
> at Giuliani Partners included a priest barred from the ministry by his
> Long Island diocese in 2002 following allegations of sexual abuse. Much as
> Mr. Wright officiated at the Obamas' wedding, so this priest officiated at
> (one of) Mr. Giuliani's. Did you even hear about it?
>
> There is not just a double standard for black and white politicians at
> play in too much of the news media and political establishment, but there
> is also a glaring double standard for our political parties. The Clintons
> and Mr. Obama are always held accountable for their racial stands, as they
> should be, but the elephant in the room of our politics is rarely
> acknowledged: In the 21st century, the so-called party of Lincoln does not
> have a single African-American among its collective 247 senators and
> representatives in Washington. Yes, there are appointees like Clarence
> Thomas and Condi Rice, but, as we learned during the Mark Foley scandal,
> even gay men may hold more G.O.P. positions of power than blacks.
>
> A near half-century after the civil rights acts of the 1960s, this is
> quite an achievement. Yet the holier-than-thou politicians and pundits on
> the right passing shrill moral judgment over every Democratic racial
> skirmish are almost never asked to confront or even acknowledge the racial
> dysfunction in their own house. In our mainstream political culture, this
> de facto apartheid is simply accepted as an intractable given, unworthy of
> notice, and just too embarrassing to mention aloud in polite Beltway
> company. Those who dare are instantly accused of "political correctness"
> or "reverse racism."
>
> An all-white Congressional delegation doesn't happen by accident. It's the
> legacy of race cards that have been dealt since the birth of the Southern
> strategy in the Nixon era. No one knows this better than Mr. McCain, whose
> own adopted daughter of color was the subject of a vicious smear in his
> party's South Carolina primary of 2000.
>
> This year Mr. McCain has called for a respectful (i.e., non-race-baiting)
> campaign and has gone so far as to criticize (ineffectually) North
> Carolina's Republican Party for running a Wright-demonizing ad in that
> state's current primary. Mr. McCain has been posing (awkwardly) with black
> people in his tour of "forgotten" America. Speaking of Katrina in New
> Orleans, he promised that "never again" would a federal recovery effort be
> botched on so grand a scale.
>
> This is all surely sincere, and a big improvement over Mitt Romney's
> dreams of his father marching with the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Up
> to a point. Here, too, there's a double standard. Mr. McCain is graded on
> a curve because the G.O.P. bar is set so low. But at a time when the
> latest Wall Street Journal-NBC News poll shows that President Bush is an
> even greater drag on his popularity than Mr. Wright is on Mr. Obama's, Mr.
> McCain's New Orleans visit is more about the self-interested politics of
> distancing himself from Mr. Bush than the recalibration of policy.
>
> Mr. McCain took his party's stingier line on Katrina aid and twice opposed
> an independent commission to investigate the failed government response.
> Asked on his tour what should happen to the Ninth Ward now, he called for
> "a conversation" about whether anyone should "rebuild it, tear it down,
> you know, whatever it is." Whatever, whenever, never mind.
>
> For all this primary season's obsession with the single (and declining)
> demographic of white working-class men in Rust Belt states, America is
> changing rapidly across all racial, generational and ethnic lines. The
> Census Bureau announced last week that half the country's population
> growth since 2000 is due to Hispanics, another group understandably
> alienated from the G.O.P.
>
> Anyone who does the math knows that America is on track to become a
> white-minority nation in three to four decades. Yet if there's any
> coherent message to be gleaned from the hypocrisy whipped up by Hurricane
> Jeremiah, it's that this nation's perennially promised candid conversation
> on race has yet to begin.
>
>

Whether he's a whack job or not, his view is essentially that God is pissed
because mankind has turned their back on Him.

I don't buy in the Hurricane Katrina thing, but I'd expect a preacher to
say, "God is pissed and this is what He does when he is pissed," than hear a
preacher say, "not God Bless America, God damn America." I happen to think
there are huge differences in these views. I'd much rather have a preacher
say, "we have AIDS because we are sinful," than have a preacher say, "we
have AIDS because the American Government put it on us." I happen to think
there are huge differences in these views.

Granted, a preacher proclaiming God blew the hurricane ashore, or brought
AIDS upon us is a bit on the kooky side, I think it is a reasonable view for
a preacher to hold. I do not think it is reasonable for a preacher to blame
America for causing 9/11 or inventing the AIDS virus.

I find it odd that one would look on a preacher preaching that God is pissed
is somehow out of line in the same way that a preacher preaching that
America is killing us on purpose is out of line. Somehow I find these two
preachers preaching different messages.






"Don't Taze Me, Bro!" <NoOne173@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
news:VLMUj.24541$qW.4840@trnddc06...
> Hagee is a whack job as well. Most famous preachers are...
>
>
>
> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:qOIUj.92$Q87.9@fe127.usenetserver.com...
>> Any of you good ol' Republican boys still all bent out of shape about
>> Wright's comments? Better make sure all your ducks are in order before
>> you reveal your hypocrisy.....
>>
>> May 4, 2008
>> Op-Ed Columnist
>> The All-White Elephant in the Room
>> By FRANK RICH
>> BORED by those endless replays of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright? If so, go
>> directly to YouTube, search for "John Hagee Roman Church Hitler," and be
>> recharged by a fresh jolt of clerical jive.
>>
>> What you'll find is a white televangelist, the Rev. John Hagee, lecturing
>> in front of an enormous diorama. Wielding a pointer, he pokes at the
>> image of a woman with Pamela Anderson-sized breasts, her hand raising a
>> golden chalice. The woman is "the Great Whore," Mr. Hagee explains, and
>> she is drinking "the blood of the Jewish people." That's because the
>> Great Whore represents "the Roman Church," which, in his view, has
>> thirsted for Jewish blood throughout history, from the Crusades to the
>> Holocaust.
>>
>> Mr. Hagee is not a fringe kook but the pastor of a Texas megachurch. On
>> Feb. 27, he stood with John McCain and endorsed him over the religious
>> conservatives' favorite, Mike Huckabee, who was then still in the race.
>>
>> Are we really to believe that neither Mr. McCain nor his camp knew
>> anything then about Mr. Hagee's views? This particular YouTube video -
>> far from the only one - was posted on Jan. 1, nearly two months before
>> the Hagee-McCain press conference. Mr. Hagee appears on multiple
>> religious networks, including twice daily on the largest, Trinity
>> Broadcasting, which reaches 75 million homes. Any 12-year-old with a
>> laptop could have vetted this preacher in 30 seconds, tops.
>>
>> Since then, Mr. McCain has been shocked to learn that his clerical ally
>> has made many other outrageous statements. Mr. Hagee, it's true, did not
>> blame the American government for concocting AIDS. But he did say that
>> God created Hurricane Katrina to punish New Orleans for its sins,
>> particularly a scheduled "homosexual parade there on the Monday that
>> Katrina came."
>>
>> Mr. Hagee didn't make that claim in obscure circumstances, either. He
>> broadcast it on one of America's most widely heard radio programs, "Fresh
>> Air" on NPR, back in September 2006. He reaffirmed it in a radio
>> interview less than two weeks ago. Only after a reporter asked Mr. McCain
>> about this Katrina homily on April 24 did the candidate brand it as
>> "nonsense" and the preacher retract it.
>>
>> Mr. McCain says he does not endorse any of Mr. Hagee's calumnies, any
>> more than Barack Obama endorses Mr. Wright's. But those who try to give
>> Mr. McCain a pass for his embrace of a problematic preacher have a thin
>> case. It boils down to this: Mr. McCain was not a parishioner for 20
>> years at Mr. Hagee's church.
>>
>> That defense implies, incorrectly, that Mr. McCain was a passive
>> recipient of this bigot's endorsement. In fact, by his own account, Mr.
>> McCain sought out Mr. Hagee, who is perhaps best known for trying to drum
>> up a pre-emptive "holy war" with Iran. (This preacher's rantings may tell
>> us more about Mr. McCain's policy views than Mr. Wright's tell us about
>> Mr. Obama's.) Even after Mr. Hagee's Catholic bashing bubbled up in the
>> mainstream media, Mr. McCain still did not reject and denounce him, as
>> Mr. Obama did an unsolicited endorser, Louis Farrakhan, at the urging of
>> Tim Russert and Hillary Clinton. Mr. McCain instead told George
>> Stephanopoulos two Sundays ago that while he condemns any "anti-anything"
>> remarks by Mr. Hagee, he is still "glad to have his endorsement."
>>
>> I wonder if Mr. McCain would have given the same answer had Mr.
>> Stephanopoulos confronted him with the graphic video of the pastor in
>> full "Great Whore" glory. But Mr. McCain didn't have to fear so rude a
>> transgression. Mr. Hagee's videos have never had the same circulation on
>> television as Mr. Wright's. A sonorous white preacher spouting venom just
>> doesn't have the telegenic zing of a theatrical black man.
>>
>> Perhaps that's why virtually no one has rebroadcast the highly relevant
>> prototype for Mr. Wright's fiery claim that 9/11 was America's chickens
>> "coming home to roost." That would be the Sept. 13, 2001, televised
>> exchange between Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell, who blamed the attacks
>> on America's abortionists, feminists, gays and A.C.L.U. lawyers. (Mr.
>> Wright blamed the attacks on America's foreign policy.) Had that video
>> re-emerged in the frenzied cable-news rotation, Mr. McCain might have
>> been asked to explain why he no longer calls these preachers "agents of
>> intolerance" and chose to cozy up to Mr. Falwell by speaking at his
>> Liberty University in 2006.
>>
>> None of this is to say that two wacky white preachers make a Wright
>> right. It is entirely fair for any voter to weigh Mr. Obama's long
>> relationship with his pastor in assessing his fitness for office. It is
>> also fair to weigh Mr. Obama's judgment in handling this personal and
>> political crisis as it has repeatedly boiled over. But whatever that
>> verdict, it is disingenuous to pretend that there isn't a double standard
>> operating here. If we're to judge black candidates on their most
>> controversial associates - and how quickly, sternly and completely they
>> disown them - we must judge white politicians by the same yardstick.
>>
>> When Rudy Giuliani, still a viable candidate, successfully courted Pat
>> Robertson for an endorsement last year, few replayed Mr. Robertson's
>> greatest past insanities. Among them is his best-selling 1991 tome, "The
>> New World Order," which peddled some of the same old dark conspiracy
>> theories about "European bankers" (who just happened to be named Warburg,
>> Schiff and Rothschild) that Mr. Farrakhan has trafficked in. Nor was Mr.
>> Giuliani ever seriously pressed to explain why his cronies on the payroll
>> at Giuliani Partners included a priest barred from the ministry by his
>> Long Island diocese in 2002 following allegations of sexual abuse. Much
>> as Mr. Wright officiated at the Obamas' wedding, so this priest
>> officiated at (one of) Mr. Giuliani's. Did you even hear about it?
>>
>> There is not just a double standard for black and white politicians at
>> play in too much of the news media and political establishment, but there
>> is also a glaring double standard for our political parties. The Clintons
>> and Mr. Obama are always held accountable for their racial stands, as
>> they should be, but the elephant in the room of our politics is rarely
>> acknowledged: In the 21st century, the so-called party of Lincoln does
>> not have a single African-American among its collective 247 senators and
>> representatives in Washington. Yes, there are appointees like Clarence
>> Thomas and Condi Rice, but, as we learned during the Mark Foley scandal,
>> even gay men may hold more G.O.P. positions of power than blacks.
>>
>> A near half-century after the civil rights acts of the 1960s, this is
>> quite an achievement. Yet the holier-than-thou politicians and pundits on
>> the right passing shrill moral judgment over every Democratic racial
>> skirmish are almost never asked to confront or even acknowledge the
>> racial dysfunction in their own house. In our mainstream political
>> culture, this de facto apartheid is simply accepted as an intractable
>> given, unworthy of notice, and just too embarrassing to mention aloud in
>> polite Beltway company. Those who dare are instantly accused of
>> "political correctness" or "reverse racism."
>>
>> An all-white Congressional delegation doesn't happen by accident. It's
>> the legacy of race cards that have been dealt since the birth of the
>> Southern strategy in the Nixon era. No one knows this better than Mr.
>> McCain, whose own adopted daughter of color was the subject of a vicious
>> smear in his party's South Carolina primary of 2000.
>>
>> This year Mr. McCain has called for a respectful (i.e., non-race-baiting)
>> campaign and has gone so far as to criticize (ineffectually) North
>> Carolina's Republican Party for running a Wright-demonizing ad in that
>> state's current primary. Mr. McCain has been posing (awkwardly) with
>> black people in his tour of "forgotten" America. Speaking of Katrina in
>> New Orleans, he promised that "never again" would a federal recovery
>> effort be botched on so grand a scale.
>>
>> This is all surely sincere, and a big improvement over Mitt Romney's
>> dreams of his father marching with the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Up
>> to a point. Here, too, there's a double standard. Mr. McCain is graded on
>> a curve because the G.O.P. bar is set so low. But at a time when the
>> latest Wall Street Journal-NBC News poll shows that President Bush is an
>> even greater drag on his popularity than Mr. Wright is on Mr. Obama's,
>> Mr. McCain's New Orleans visit is more about the self-interested politics
>> of distancing himself from Mr. Bush than the recalibration of policy.
>>
>> Mr. McCain took his party's stingier line on Katrina aid and twice
>> opposed an independent commission to investigate the failed government
>> response. Asked on his tour what should happen to the Ninth Ward now, he
>> called for "a conversation" about whether anyone should "rebuild it, tear
>> it down, you know, whatever it is." Whatever, whenever, never mind.
>>
>> For all this primary season's obsession with the single (and declining)
>> demographic of white working-class men in Rust Belt states, America is
>> changing rapidly across all racial, generational and ethnic lines. The
>> Census Bureau announced last week that half the country's population
>> growth since 2000 is due to Hispanics, another group understandably
>> alienated from the G.O.P.
>>
>> Anyone who does the math knows that America is on track to become a
>> white-minority nation in three to four decades. Yet if there's any
>> coherent message to be gleaned from the hypocrisy whipped up by Hurricane
>> Jeremiah, it's that this nation's perennially promised candid
>> conversation on race has yet to begin.
>>
>>
>
>

"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:VaNUj.37537$zw.8354@trnddc04...
>
> "Don't Taze Me, Bro!" <NoOne173@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
> news:VLMUj.24541$qW.4840@trnddc06...
>> Hagee is a whack job as well. Most famous preachers are...
>>
>>
>>
>> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:qOIUj.92$Q87.9@fe127.usenetserver.com...
>>> Any of you good ol' Republican boys still all bent out of shape about
>>> Wright's comments? Better make sure all your ducks are in order before
>>> you reveal your hypocrisy.....
>>>
>>> May 4, 2008
>>> Op-Ed Columnist
>>> The All-White Elephant in the Room
>>> By FRANK RICH
>>> BORED by those endless replays of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright? If so, go
>>> directly to YouTube, search for "John Hagee Roman Church Hitler," and be
>>> recharged by a fresh jolt of clerical jive.
>>>
>>> What you'll find is a white televangelist, the Rev. John Hagee,
>>> lecturing in front of an enormous diorama. Wielding a pointer, he pokes
>>> at the image of a woman with Pamela Anderson-sized breasts, her hand
>>> raising a golden chalice. The woman is "the Great Whore," Mr. Hagee
>>> explains, and she is drinking "the blood of the Jewish people." That's
>>> because the Great Whore represents "the Roman Church," which, in his
>>> view, has thirsted for Jewish blood throughout history, from the
>>> Crusades to the Holocaust.
>>>
>>> Mr. Hagee is not a fringe kook but the pastor of a Texas megachurch. On
>>> Feb. 27, he stood with John McCain and endorsed him over the religious
>>> conservatives' favorite, Mike Huckabee, who was then still in the race.
>>>
>>> Are we really to believe that neither Mr. McCain nor his camp knew
>>> anything then about Mr. Hagee's views? This particular YouTube video -
>>> far from the only one - was posted on Jan. 1, nearly two months before
>>> the Hagee-McCain press conference. Mr. Hagee appears on multiple
>>> religious networks, including twice daily on the largest, Trinity
>>> Broadcasting, which reaches 75 million homes. Any 12-year-old with a
>>> laptop could have vetted this preacher in 30 seconds, tops.
>>>
>>> Since then, Mr. McCain has been shocked to learn that his clerical ally
>>> has made many other outrageous statements. Mr. Hagee, it's true, did not
>>> blame the American government for concocting AIDS. But he did say that
>>> God created Hurricane Katrina to punish New Orleans for its sins,
>>> particularly a scheduled "homosexual parade there on the Monday that
>>> Katrina came."
>>>
>>> Mr. Hagee didn't make that claim in obscure circumstances, either. He
>>> broadcast it on one of America's most widely heard radio programs,
>>> "Fresh Air" on NPR, back in September 2006. He reaffirmed it in a radio
>>> interview less than two weeks ago. Only after a reporter asked Mr.
>>> McCain about this Katrina homily on April 24 did the candidate brand it
>>> as "nonsense" and the preacher retract it.
>>>
>>> Mr. McCain says he does not endorse any of Mr. Hagee's calumnies, any
>>> more than Barack Obama endorses Mr. Wright's. But those who try to give
>>> Mr. McCain a pass for his embrace of a problematic preacher have a thin
>>> case. It boils down to this: Mr. McCain was not a parishioner for 20
>>> years at Mr. Hagee's church.
>>>
>>> That defense implies, incorrectly, that Mr. McCain was a passive
>>> recipient of this bigot's endorsement. In fact, by his own account, Mr.
>>> McCain sought out Mr. Hagee, who is perhaps best known for trying to
>>> drum up a pre-emptive "holy war" with Iran. (This preacher's rantings
>>> may tell us more about Mr. McCain's policy views than Mr. Wright's tell
>>> us about Mr. Obama's.) Even after Mr. Hagee's Catholic bashing bubbled
>>> up in the mainstream media, Mr. McCain still did not reject and denounce
>>> him, as Mr. Obama did an unsolicited endorser, Louis Farrakhan, at the
>>> urging of Tim Russert and Hillary Clinton. Mr. McCain instead told
>>> George Stephanopoulos two Sundays ago that while he condemns any
>>> "anti-anything" remarks by Mr. Hagee, he is still "glad to have his
>>> endorsement."
>>>
>>> I wonder if Mr. McCain would have given the same answer had Mr.
>>> Stephanopoulos confronted him with the graphic video of the pastor in
>>> full "Great Whore" glory. But Mr. McCain didn't have to fear so rude a
>>> transgression. Mr. Hagee's videos have never had the same circulation on
>>> television as Mr. Wright's. A sonorous white preacher spouting venom
>>> just doesn't have the telegenic zing of a theatrical black man.
>>>
>>> Perhaps that's why virtually no one has rebroadcast the highly relevant
>>> prototype for Mr. Wright's fiery claim that 9/11 was America's chickens
>>> "coming home to roost." That would be the Sept. 13, 2001, televised
>>> exchange between Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell, who blamed the attacks
>>> on America's abortionists, feminists, gays and A.C.L.U. lawyers. (Mr.
>>> Wright blamed the attacks on America's foreign policy.) Had that video
>>> re-emerged in the frenzied cable-news rotation, Mr. McCain might have
>>> been asked to explain why he no longer calls these preachers "agents of
>>> intolerance" and chose to cozy up to Mr. Falwell by speaking at his
>>> Liberty University in 2006.
>>>
>>> None of this is to say that two wacky white preachers make a Wright
>>> right. It is entirely fair for any voter to weigh Mr. Obama's long
>>> relationship with his pastor in assessing his fitness for office. It is
>>> also fair to weigh Mr. Obama's judgment in handling this personal and
>>> political crisis as it has repeatedly boiled over. But whatever that
>>> verdict, it is disingenuous to pretend that there isn't a double
>>> standard operating here. If we're to judge black candidates on their
>>> most controversial associates - and how quickly, sternly and completely
>>> they disown them - we must judge white politicians by the same
>>> yardstick.
>>>
>>> When Rudy Giuliani, still a viable candidate, successfully courted Pat
>>> Robertson for an endorsement last year, few replayed Mr. Robertson's
>>> greatest past insanities. Among them is his best-selling 1991 tome, "The
>>> New World Order," which peddled some of the same old dark conspiracy
>>> theories about "European bankers" (who just happened to be named
>>> Warburg, Schiff and Rothschild) that Mr. Farrakhan has trafficked in.
>>> Nor was Mr. Giuliani ever seriously pressed to explain why his cronies
>>> on the payroll at Giuliani Partners included a priest barred from the
>>> ministry by his Long Island diocese in 2002 following allegations of
>>> sexual abuse. Much as Mr. Wright officiated at the Obamas' wedding, so
>>> this priest officiated at (one of) Mr. Giuliani's. Did you even hear
>>> about it?
>>>
>>> There is not just a double standard for black and white politicians at
>>> play in too much of the news media and political establishment, but
>>> there is also a glaring double standard for our political parties. The
>>> Clintons and Mr. Obama are always held accountable for their racial
>>> stands, as they should be, but the elephant in the room of our politics
>>> is rarely acknowledged: In the 21st century, the so-called party of
>>> Lincoln does not have a single African-American among its collective 247
>>> senators and representatives in Washington. Yes, there are appointees
>>> like Clarence Thomas and Condi Rice, but, as we learned during the Mark
>>> Foley scandal, even gay men may hold more G.O.P. positions of power than
>>> blacks.
>>>
>>> A near half-century after the civil rights acts of the 1960s, this is
>>> quite an achievement. Yet the holier-than-thou politicians and pundits
>>> on the right passing shrill moral judgment over every Democratic racial
>>> skirmish are almost never asked to confront or even acknowledge the
>>> racial dysfunction in their own house. In our mainstream political
>>> culture, this de facto apartheid is simply accepted as an intractable
>>> given, unworthy of notice, and just too embarrassing to mention aloud in
>>> polite Beltway company. Those who dare are instantly accused of
>>> "political correctness" or "reverse racism."
>>>
>>> An all-white Congressional delegation doesn't happen by accident. It's
>>> the legacy of race cards that have been dealt since the birth of the
>>> Southern strategy in the Nixon era. No one knows this better than Mr.
>>> McCain, whose own adopted daughter of color was the subject of a vicious
>>> smear in his party's South Carolina primary of 2000.
>>>
>>> This year Mr. McCain has called for a respectful (i.e.,
>>> non-race-baiting) campaign and has gone so far as to criticize
>>> (ineffectually) North Carolina's Republican Party for running a
>>> Wright-demonizing ad in that state's current primary. Mr. McCain has
>>> been posing (awkwardly) with black people in his tour of "forgotten"
>>> America. Speaking of Katrina in New Orleans, he promised that "never
>>> again" would a federal recovery effort be botched on so grand a scale.
>>>
>>> This is all surely sincere, and a big improvement over Mitt Romney's
>>> dreams of his father marching with the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
>>> Up to a point. Here, too, there's a double standard. Mr. McCain is
>>> graded on a curve because the G.O.P. bar is set so low. But at a time
>>> when the latest Wall Street Journal-NBC News poll shows that President
>>> Bush is an even greater drag on his popularity than Mr. Wright is on Mr.
>>> Obama's, Mr. McCain's New Orleans visit is more about the
>>> self-interested politics of distancing himself from Mr. Bush than the
>>> recalibration of policy.
>>>
>>> Mr. McCain took his party's stingier line on Katrina aid and twice
>>> opposed an independent commission to investigate the failed government
>>> response. Asked on his tour what should happen to the Ninth Ward now, he
>>> called for "a conversation" about whether anyone should "rebuild it,
>>> tear it down, you know, whatever it is." Whatever, whenever, never mind.
>>>
>>> For all this primary season's obsession with the single (and declining)
>>> demographic of white working-class men in Rust Belt states, America is
>>> changing rapidly across all racial, generational and ethnic lines. The
>>> Census Bureau announced last week that half the country's population
>>> growth since 2000 is due to Hispanics, another group understandably
>>> alienated from the G.O.P.
>>>
>>> Anyone who does the math knows that America is on track to become a
>>> white-minority nation in three to four decades. Yet if there's any
>>> coherent message to be gleaned from the hypocrisy whipped up by
>>> Hurricane Jeremiah, it's that this nation's perennially promised candid
>>> conversation on race has yet to begin.


> Whether he's a whack job or not, his view is essentially that God is
> pissed because mankind has turned their back on Him.
>
> I don't buy in the Hurricane Katrina thing, but I'd expect a preacher to
> say, "God is pissed and this is what He does when he is pissed," than hear
> a preacher say, "not God Bless America, God damn America." I happen to
> think there are huge differences in these views. I'd much rather have a
> preacher say, "we have AIDS because we are sinful," than have a preacher
> say, "we have AIDS because the American Government put it on us." I happen
> to think there are huge differences in these views.
>
> Granted, a preacher proclaiming God blew the hurricane ashore, or brought
> AIDS upon us is a bit on the kooky side, I think it is a reasonable view
> for a preacher to hold. I do not think it is reasonable for a preacher to
> blame America for causing 9/11 or inventing the AIDS virus.
>
> I find it odd that one would look on a preacher preaching that God is
> pissed is somehow out of line in the same way that a preacher preaching
> that America is killing us on purpose is out of line. Somehow I find these
> two preachers preaching different messages.


These views are not surprising, coming from a guy who got his high school
diploma from the Chester Meatsock Mail Order Academy.

"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:sfNUj.642$Of.84@fe093.usenetserver.com...
>
>> Whether he's a whack job or not, his view is essentially that God is
>> pissed because mankind has turned their back on Him.
>>
>> I don't buy in the Hurricane Katrina thing, but I'd expect a preacher to
>> say, "God is pissed and this is what He does when he is pissed," than
>> hear a preacher say, "not God Bless America, God damn America." I happen
>> to think there are huge differences in these views. I'd much rather have
>> a preacher say, "we have AIDS because we are sinful," than have a
>> preacher say, "we have AIDS because the American Government put it on
>> us." I happen to think there are huge differences in these views.
>>
>> Granted, a preacher proclaiming God blew the hurricane ashore, or brought
>> AIDS upon us is a bit on the kooky side, I think it is a reasonable view
>> for a preacher to hold. I do not think it is reasonable for a preacher to
>> blame America for causing 9/11 or inventing the AIDS virus.
>>
>> I find it odd that one would look on a preacher preaching that God is
>> pissed is somehow out of line in the same way that a preacher preaching
>> that America is killing us on purpose is out of line. Somehow I find
>> these two preachers preaching different messages.
>
>
> These views are not surprising, coming from a guy who got his high school
> diploma from the Chester Meatsock Mail Order Academy.
>


So, a preacher preaching the Word of God is somehow in the same circle of
whack jobs as a preacher preaching that American scientists created the AIDS
virus, and that the virus was set upon us by the government?

You are far dumber than I ever dreamt was possible. I used to think you are
dumber than a rock, but now I think rocks are not served well by being
included in any comparison with you.

"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:PlNUj.37697$zw.264@trnddc04...


> You are far dumber than I ever dreamt was possible. I used to think you
> are dumber than a rock, but now I think rocks are not served well by being
> included in any comparison with you.
>



Oakland shamefully denied our troops to disembark from an aircraft into the
terminal. The ONLY reason this would be reasonable would be if all of the
gates were filled, but I've been to Oakland and the gates are never
filled.Nobody wants to go to Oakland ...

Shame on Oakland. Shame.



We are the Transportation Security Administration, formed immediately
following the tragedies of Sept. 11. Our agency is a component of the
Department of Homeland Security and is responsible for security of the
nation's transportation systems.

With our state, local and regional partners, we oversee security for the
highways, railroads, buses, mass transit systems, ports and the 450 U.S.
airports. We employ approximately 50,000 people from Alaska to Puerto Rico
to ensure your travels - by plane, train, automobile or ferry - are safe and
secure.

"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:tqNUj.644$Of.111@fe093.usenetserver.com...
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:PlNUj.37697$zw.264@trnddc04...
>
>
>> You are far dumber than I ever dreamt was possible. I used to think you
>> are dumber than a rock, but now I think rocks are not served well by
>> being included in any comparison with you.
>>
>
>
>
> Oakland shamefully denied our troops to disembark from an aircraft into
> the
> terminal. The ONLY reason this would be reasonable would be if all of the
> gates were filled, but I've been to Oakland and the gates are never
> filled.Nobody wants to go to Oakland ...
>
> Shame on Oakland. Shame.
>
>
>
> We are the Transportation Security Administration, formed immediately
> following the tragedies of Sept. 11. Our agency is a component of the
> Department of Homeland Security and is responsible for security of the
> nation's transportation systems.
>
> With our state, local and regional partners, we oversee security for the
> highways, railroads, buses, mass transit systems, ports and the 450 U.S.
> airports. We employ approximately 50,000 people from Alaska to Puerto Rico
> to ensure your travels - by plane, train, automobile or ferry - are safe
> and secure.
>
>

You have one tired example that you trot out time after time after time.

I'm blessed with a wealth of new examples almost every day. It must suck to
be you.

"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>
> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:tqNUj.644$Of.111@fe093.usenetserver.com...
>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:PlNUj.37697$zw.264@trnddc04...
>>
>>
>>> You are far dumber than I ever dreamt was possible. I used to think you
>>> are dumber than a rock, but now I think rocks are not served well by
>>> being included in any comparison with you.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Oakland shamefully denied our troops to disembark from an aircraft into
>> the
>> terminal. The ONLY reason this would be reasonable would be if all of the
>> gates were filled, but I've been to Oakland and the gates are never
>> filled.Nobody wants to go to Oakland ...
>>
>> Shame on Oakland. Shame.
>>
>>
>>
>> We are the Transportation Security Administration, formed immediately
>> following the tragedies of Sept. 11. Our agency is a component of the
>> Department of Homeland Security and is responsible for security of the
>> nation's transportation systems.
>>
>> With our state, local and regional partners, we oversee security for the
>> highways, railroads, buses, mass transit systems, ports and the 450 U.S.
>> airports. We employ approximately 50,000 people from Alaska to Puerto
>> Rico to ensure your travels - by plane, train, automobile or ferry - are
>> safe and secure.
>>
>>
>
> You have one tired example that you trot out time after time after time.
>
> I'm blessed with a wealth of new examples almost every day. It must suck
> to be you.
>
>
>


That one example illustrates one or both of the following:

1) You're an idiot all the time.

2) You were a drunken idiot when you said that.

At least 2-3 times a week, you come up with something equally stupid.

In article <fg3Vj.1818$Q87.241@fe127.usenetserver.com>,
"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote:

> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:h_2Vj.4519$5Y1.2331@trnddc04...
> >
> > "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:tqNUj.644$Of.111@fe093.usenetserver.com...
> >> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >> news:PlNUj.37697$zw.264@trnddc04...
> >>
> >>
> >>> You are far dumber than I ever dreamt was possible. I used to think you
> >>> are dumber than a rock, but now I think rocks are not served well by
> >>> being included in any comparison with you.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Oakland shamefully denied our troops to disembark from an aircraft into
> >> the
> >> terminal. The ONLY reason this would be reasonable would be if all of the
> >> gates were filled, but I've been to Oakland and the gates are never
> >> filled.Nobody wants to go to Oakland ...
> >>
> >> Shame on Oakland. Shame.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> We are the Transportation Security Administration, formed immediately
> >> following the tragedies of Sept. 11. Our agency is a component of the
> >> Department of Homeland Security and is responsible for security of the
> >> nation's transportation systems.
> >>
> >> With our state, local and regional partners, we oversee security for the
> >> highways, railroads, buses, mass transit systems, ports and the 450 U.S.
> >> airports. We employ approximately 50,000 people from Alaska to Puerto
> >> Rico to ensure your travels - by plane, train, automobile or ferry - are
> >> safe and secure.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > You have one tired example that you trot out time after time after time.
> >
> > I'm blessed with a wealth of new examples almost every day. It must suck
> > to be you.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> That one example illustrates one or both of the following:
>
> 1) You're an idiot all the time.
>
> 2) You were a drunken idiot when you said that.
>
> At least 2-3 times a week, you come up with something equally stupid.

joe like the part of devils advocate, don't ya joe.
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