Hello all,

I am very interested in buying a new (2008 or 2009) Camry Hybrid.
Unfortunately, due to rising gas prices, it seems that everyone else
is getting the same idea. I am curious, given the apparent recent
spike in demand for these, what kind of deal those of you who have
purchased one recently managed to get. Specifically, given the MSRP
for your car, how much did you manage to get your dealer to come down
from MSRP? I am in Arkansas and I suppose the market may be somewhat
different for my area than in other parts of the country, but I am
trying to get a feel for what kind of bargaining range I might expect
when negotiating. I've gotten the Consumer Reports lowdown on the
invoice pricing on these (which I am surprised differs very little if
at all from the free reports available at www.kbb.com). The CR report
recommends starting bargaining around 4-8% over invoice but I'm afraid
with demand for these I may not have much luck with that. Any helpful
tidbits (or personal experiences gathered in the past few months)
regarding buying one of these beasts is greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Bruce

I would start by comparing the "total drive home price" of a similarly
equipped 4cy Camry and the hybrid. I believe you will discover the
difference in the drive home price will be enough to buy ALL of the gas to
run the 4cy Camry for around four years!!



"Bruce" <deluxeinformation@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:a6bc46a3-f2b8-4f32-be20-be62712ba661@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com...
> Hello all,
>
> I am very interested in buying a new (2008 or 2009) Camry Hybrid.
> Unfortunately, due to rising gas prices, it seems that everyone else
> is getting the same idea. I am curious, given the apparent recent
> spike in demand for these, what kind of deal those of you who have
> purchased one recently managed to get. Specifically, given the MSRP
> for your car, how much did you manage to get your dealer to come down
> from MSRP? I am in Arkansas and I suppose the market may be somewhat
> different for my area than in other parts of the country, but I am
> trying to get a feel for what kind of bargaining range I might expect
> when negotiating. I've gotten the Consumer Reports lowdown on the
> invoice pricing on these (which I am surprised differs very little if
> at all from the free reports available at www.kbb.com). The CR report
> recommends starting bargaining around 4-8% over invoice but I'm afraid
> with demand for these I may not have much luck with that. Any helpful
> tidbits (or personal experiences gathered in the past few months)
> regarding buying one of these beasts is greatly appreciated. Thanks.
>
> Bruce

Mike hunt wrote:
> I would start by comparing the "total drive home price" of a similarly
> equipped 4cy Camry and the hybrid. I believe you will discover the
> difference in the drive home price will be enough to buy ALL of the gas to
> run the 4cy Camry for around four years!!

The total drive home price difference will almost certainly be higher
than the retail price difference, because of the increased demand for
small cars.

However, based on what you have written here, what you believe is worthless.

Jeff

>
>
>
> "Bruce" <deluxeinformation@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:a6bc46a3-f2b8-4f32-be20-be62712ba661@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com...
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I am very interested in buying a new (2008 or 2009) Camry Hybrid.
>> Unfortunately, due to rising gas prices, it seems that everyone else
>> is getting the same idea. I am curious, given the apparent recent
>> spike in demand for these, what kind of deal those of you who have
>> purchased one recently managed to get. Specifically, given the MSRP
>> for your car, how much did you manage to get your dealer to come down
>> from MSRP? I am in Arkansas and I suppose the market may be somewhat
>> different for my area than in other parts of the country, but I am
>> trying to get a feel for what kind of bargaining range I might expect
>> when negotiating. I've gotten the Consumer Reports lowdown on the
>> invoice pricing on these (which I am surprised differs very little if
>> at all from the free reports available at www.kbb.com). The CR report
>> recommends starting bargaining around 4-8% over invoice but I'm afraid
>> with demand for these I may not have much luck with that. Any helpful
>> tidbits (or personal experiences gathered in the past few months)
>> regarding buying one of these beasts is greatly appreciated. Thanks.
>>
>> Bruce
>
>

On May 10, 1:26 pm, "Mike hunt" <mikehun...@lycos.com> wrote:
> I would start by comparing the "total drive home price" of a similarly
> equipped 4cy Camry and the hybrid. I believe you will discover the
> difference in the drive home price will be enough to buy ALL of the gas to
> run the 4cy Camry for around four years!!

If it's only four years to hit that break-even point, that's great
news to me. Actually I suspect the payoff will take five to six years
but I generally have kept cars for ten years or more. Add to all of
this the bonus of lower emissions and it makes the hybrid a very
attractive option. At this point I'm more concerned about what that
'drive home price' might be.

Bruce

Duh, confused again we see. Neither is a small car, both the conventionally
power Camry and the hybrid Camry are mid-sized cars. One has a rebate, the
other does not. Guess which one is not being discounted?

However, based on what you have written here, what you believe is worthless.
LOL



"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b2mVj.96$ll1.60@trndny06...

> Mike hunt wrote:
>> I would start by comparing the "total drive home price" of a similarly
>> equipped 4cy Camry and the hybrid. I believe you will discover the
>> difference in the drive home price will be enough to buy ALL of the gas
>> to run the 4cy Camry for around four years!!
>
> The total drive home price difference will almost certainly be higher than
> the retail price difference, because of the increased demand for small
> cars.
>
> However, based on what you have written here, what you believe is
> worthless.
>
> Jeff
>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Bruce" <deluxeinformation@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:a6bc46a3-f2b8-4f32-be20-be62712ba661@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com...
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I am very interested in buying a new (2008 or 2009) Camry Hybrid.
>>> Unfortunately, due to rising gas prices, it seems that everyone else
>>> is getting the same idea. I am curious, given the apparent recent
>>> spike in demand for these, what kind of deal those of you who have
>>> purchased one recently managed to get. Specifically, given the MSRP
>>> for your car, how much did you manage to get your dealer to come down
>>> from MSRP? I am in Arkansas and I suppose the market may be somewhat
>>> different for my area than in other parts of the country, but I am
>>> trying to get a feel for what kind of bargaining range I might expect
>>> when negotiating. I've gotten the Consumer Reports lowdown on the
>>> invoice pricing on these (which I am surprised differs very little if
>>> at all from the free reports available at www.kbb.com). The CR report
>>> recommends starting bargaining around 4-8% over invoice but I'm afraid
>>> with demand for these I may not have much luck with that. Any helpful
>>> tidbits (or personal experiences gathered in the past few months)
>>> regarding buying one of these beasts is greatly appreciated. Thanks.
>>>
>>> Bruce
>>

Mike hunt wrote:

> Duh, confused again we see.

I know you are. But, as you get older, that happens.

> Neither is a small car, both the conventionally
> power Camry and the hybrid Camry are mid-sized cars. One has a rebate, the
> other does not. Guess which one is not being discounted?

I was using the adjective "small" in the common sense, not with the
strict EPA definition.

Sorry that you are confused again by the English language.

Jeff

> However, based on what you have written here, what you believe is worthless.
> LOL
>
>
> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:b2mVj.96$ll1.60@trndny06...
>
>> Mike hunt wrote:
>>> I would start by comparing the "total drive home price" of a similarly
>>> equipped 4cy Camry and the hybrid. I believe you will discover the
>>> difference in the drive home price will be enough to buy ALL of the gas
>>> to run the 4cy Camry for around four years!!
>> The total drive home price difference will almost certainly be higher than
>> the retail price difference, because of the increased demand for small
>> cars.
>>
>> However, based on what you have written here, what you believe is
>> worthless.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Bruce" <deluxeinformation@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:a6bc46a3-f2b8-4f32-be20-be62712ba661@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com...
>>>> Hello all,
>>>>
>>>> I am very interested in buying a new (2008 or 2009) Camry Hybrid.
>>>> Unfortunately, due to rising gas prices, it seems that everyone else
>>>> is getting the same idea. I am curious, given the apparent recent
>>>> spike in demand for these, what kind of deal those of you who have
>>>> purchased one recently managed to get. Specifically, given the MSRP
>>>> for your car, how much did you manage to get your dealer to come down
>>>> from MSRP? I am in Arkansas and I suppose the market may be somewhat
>>>> different for my area than in other parts of the country, but I am
>>>> trying to get a feel for what kind of bargaining range I might expect
>>>> when negotiating. I've gotten the Consumer Reports lowdown on the
>>>> invoice pricing on these (which I am surprised differs very little if
>>>> at all from the free reports available at www.kbb.com). The CR report
>>>> recommends starting bargaining around 4-8% over invoice but I'm afraid
>>>> with demand for these I may not have much luck with that. Any helpful
>>>> tidbits (or personal experiences gathered in the past few months)
>>>> regarding buying one of these beasts is greatly appreciated. Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Bruce
>

Since the difference in the "total drive home price" of a similarly equipped
4cy Camry and a hybrid Camry is well over $4,000 what I said was: "I believe
you will discover the difference in the "total drive home price" will be
enough to BUY ALL OF THE GAS to run the 4cy Camry for around four years."

I made no reference to the difference in the fuel economy between the two.
If one looks at the difference, you are correct, it will take longer to make
up the acquisition cost difference, in fuel mileage. Particularly is one
is financing the extra cost. Even that however is problematic since the
hybrid will need $5,000 worth the batteries at some point in the future.
Another problem for hybrid owners is the $15 difference in the shop rate
price charged by some Toyota dealerships

..

"Bruce" <deluxeinformation@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:308a7ec6-8b5a-42f1-9dc2-d429112d7ebc@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On May 10, 1:26 pm, "Mike hunt" <mikehun...@lycos.com> wrote:
>> I would start by comparing the "total drive home pri ce" of a similarly
>> equipped 4cy Camry and the hybrid. I believe you will discover the
>> difference in the drive home price will be enough to buy ALL of the gas
>> to
>> run the 4cy Camry for around four years!!
>
> If it's only four years to hit that break-even point, that's great
> news to me. Actually I suspect the payoff will take five to six years
> but I generally have kept cars for ten years or more. Add to all of
> this the bonus of lower emissions and it makes the hybrid a very
> attractive option. At this point I'm more concerned about what that
> 'drive home price' might be.
>
> Bruce

"Bruce" <deluxeinformation@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:308a7ec6-8b5a-42f1-9dc2-d429112d7ebc@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On May 10, 1:26 pm, "Mike hunt" <mikehun...@lycos.com> wrote:
>> I would start by comparing the "total drive home price" of a similarly
>> equipped 4cy Camry and the hybrid. I believe you will discover the
>> difference in the drive home price will be enough to buy ALL of the gas
>> to
>> run the 4cy Camry for around four years!!
>
> If it's only four years to hit that break-even point, that's great
> news to me. Actually I suspect the payoff will take five to six years
> but I generally have kept cars for ten years or more. Add to all of
> this the bonus of lower emissions and it makes the hybrid a very
> attractive option. At this point I'm more concerned about what that
> 'drive home price' might be.
>
> Bruce


Fuckin DEMONrat greenies. Idiots. Repairs/breakdowns will be MUCH frequent
on the HYBRID, as opposed to the tried and true technology in the REGULAR
Camry.

"Mike hunt" <mikehunt22@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:O8adnRomg7krmbvVnZ2dnUVZ_jydnZ2d@ptd.net...
> Since the difference in the "total drive home price" of a similarly
> equipped 4cy Camry and a hybrid Camry is well over $4,000 what I said was:
> "I believe you will discover the difference in the "total drive home
> price" will be enough to BUY ALL OF THE GAS to run the 4cy Camry for
> around four years."
>
> I made no reference to the difference in the fuel economy between the two.
> If one looks at the difference, you are correct, it will take longer to
> make up the acquisition cost difference, in fuel mileage. Particularly
> is one is financing the extra cost. Even that however is problematic
> since the hybrid will need $5,000 worth the batteries at some point in the
> future. Another problem for hybrid owners is the $15 difference in the
> shop rate price charged by some Toyota dealerships
>
> .
>
> "Bruce" <deluxeinformation@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:308a7ec6-8b5a-42f1-9dc2-d429112d7ebc@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>> On May 10, 1:26 pm, "Mike hunt" <mikehun...@lycos.com> wrote:
>>> I would start by comparing the "total drive home pri ce" of a similarly
>>> equipped 4cy Camry and the hybrid. I believe you will discover the
>>> difference in the drive home price will be enough to buy ALL of the gas
>>> to
>>> run the 4cy Camry for around four years!!
>>
>> If it's only four years to hit that break-even point, that's great
>> news to me. Actually I suspect the payoff will take five to six years
>> but I generally have kept cars for ten years or more. Add to all of
>> this the bonus of lower emissions and it makes the hybrid a very
>> attractive option. At this point I'm more concerned about what that
>> 'drive home price' might be.
>>
>> Bruce

The greenie LIEbrawl DEMONrats here are blinded by NEW technology, no matter
how expensive, unproven or impractical it is.




>
>

"dbu" <nospam@nospam.moc> wrote in message
news:nospam-2150FA.16403010052008@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
> In article <sdoVj.1884$KB3.1680@edtnps91>,
> "Sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "Mike hunt" <mikehunt22@lycos.com> wrote in message
>> news:O8adnRomg7krmbvVnZ2dnUVZ_jydnZ2d@ptd.net...
>> > Since the difference in the "total drive home price" of a similarly
>> > equipped 4cy Camry and a hybrid Camry is well over $4,000 what I said
>> > was:
>> > "I believe you will discover the difference in the "total drive home
>> > price" will be enough to BUY ALL OF THE GAS to run the 4cy Camry for
>> > around four years."
>> >
>> > I made no reference to the difference in the fuel economy between the
>> > two.
>> > If one looks at the difference, you are correct, it will take longer to
>> > make up the acquisition cost difference, in fuel mileage.
>> > Particularly
>> > is one is financing the extra cost. Even that however is problematic
>> > since the hybrid will need $5,000 worth the batteries at some point in
>> > the
>> > future. Another problem for hybrid owners is the $15 difference in the
>> > shop rate price charged by some Toyota dealerships
>> >
>> > .
>> >
>> > "Bruce" <deluxeinformation@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> > news:308a7ec6-8b5a-42f1-9dc2-d429112d7ebc@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>> >> On May 10, 1:26 pm, "Mike hunt" <mikehun...@lycos.com> wrote:
>> >>> I would start by comparing the "total drive home pri ce" of a
>> >>> similarly
>> >>> equipped 4cy Camry and the hybrid. I believe you will discover the
>> >>> difference in the drive home price will be enough to buy ALL of the
>> >>> gas
>> >>> to
>> >>> run the 4cy Camry for around four years!!
>> >>
>> >> If it's only four years to hit that break-even point, that's great
>> >> news to me. Actually I suspect the payoff will take five to six years
>> >> but I generally have kept cars for ten years or more. Add to all of
>> >> this the bonus of lower emissions and it makes the hybrid a very
>> >> attractive option. At this point I'm more concerned about what that
>> >> 'drive home price' might be.
>> >>
>> >> Bruce
>>
>> The greenie LIEbrawl DEMONrats here are blinded by NEW technology, no
>> matter
>> how expensive, unproven or impractical it is.
>
> The technology is like computers, about 2 years. The hybrid will be
> hard to resell in a couple years, that means low resale value. Sorry
> folks it's a throw away.

So far, the opposite is true. If you don't believe me, look up the prices
for used Priuses - even '04's (which sold for ~$20K when new). Minimal
depreciation.

Cathy


>
> I wouldn't buy a used hybrid, would you?
> --
>
>
>
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