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    WT
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    Default VW City Golf or Toyota Matrix?

    I have been driving a 1986 VW GTI for the past 10 years, and since she's
    starting to show her 20 years of age, I may soon be looking for a
    replacement. My VW driving and owning experiences have been good, although
    certainly not flawless. Here in Canada, VW are offering the 2007 City Golf
    for a very reasonable price. It's basically a 4-door A4 Golf, 2.0L engine,
    disk brakes on all 4 corners. With options like air conditioning and cruise
    control, it prices in around $20K CDN. Pretty good warranty. I like the
    hatchback versatility, and like I said, I have enjoyed driving my GTI.

    However, as many of you will know, VW are not necessarily leaders in
    reliability, at least according to the summaries in Consumer Reports and
    other sources. Toyotas seem to rank much better in the reliabilty area.
    (Yes, I know those are statistics, and it is possible to get a trouble-free
    VW or a lemon Toyota.) Looking at Toyota's lineup, the Matrix is the
    closest match to the City Golf, in terms of size and configuration. With
    similar options, the Matrix price is comparable, perhaps a bit higher. From
    doing some on-line comparisons, here are some pros that I've found for each:

    VW City Golf -
    ==========
    PROS: better warranty; disk brakes front and rear; anti-lock brakes; torque
    peak at low rpm; telescopic steering wheel; wipers are variable and speed
    sensitive; nicer styling (personal opinion);


    TOYOTA MATRIX
    ==============
    PROS: better fuel economy; higher HP; cargo area has flat floor; better
    reliability history; 16V engine; more usable cargo space;

    Opinions, please!






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  2. #2
    Cathy F.
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    Default Re: VW City Golf or Toyota Matrix?


    "WT" <waltert@mts.net> wrote in message
    news:Tpx6h.26098$E_2.25171@newsfe18.lga...
    >I have been driving a 1986 VW GTI for the past 10 years, and since she's
    > starting to show her 20 years of age, I may soon be looking for a
    > replacement. My VW driving and owning experiences have been good,
    > although
    > certainly not flawless. Here in Canada, VW are offering the 2007 City
    > Golf
    > for a very reasonable price. It's basically a 4-door A4 Golf, 2.0L
    > engine,
    > disk brakes on all 4 corners. With options like air conditioning and
    > cruise
    > control, it prices in around $20K CDN. Pretty good warranty. I like the
    > hatchback versatility, and like I said, I have enjoyed driving my GTI.
    >
    > However, as many of you will know, VW are not necessarily leaders in
    > reliability, at least according to the summaries in Consumer Reports and
    > other sources. Toyotas seem to rank much better in the reliabilty area.
    > (Yes, I know those are statistics, and it is possible to get a
    > trouble-free
    > VW or a lemon Toyota.) Looking at Toyota's lineup, the Matrix is the
    > closest match to the City Golf, in terms of size and configuration. With
    > similar options, the Matrix price is comparable, perhaps a bit higher.
    > From
    > doing some on-line comparisons, here are some pros that I've found for
    > each:
    >
    > VW City Golf -
    > ==========
    > PROS: better warranty; disk brakes front and rear; anti-lock brakes;
    > torque
    > peak at low rpm; telescopic steering wheel; wipers are variable and speed
    > sensitive; nicer styling (personal opinion);
    >
    >
    > TOYOTA MATRIX
    > ==============
    > PROS: better fuel economy; higher HP; cargo area has flat floor; better
    > reliability history; 16V engine; more usable cargo space;
    >
    > Opinions, please!


    I can't speak for the Golf. But since a Matrix is basically a Corolla in
    different clothing, & since I've had four Corollas since '84 - I can highly
    recommend the Matrix. Very reliable. Lots of quality for decent price.

    I drive a Matrix once - a couple of years ago - & the only thing that bugged
    me was the silver circles design of the dash dials - drove my eyes a bit
    nuts - I found those silver circles to be distracting. OTOH, a friend just
    bought a Matrix & loves it - she's not mentioned the dash design. (Maybe
    it's been redesigned?? Or maybe it was just me...)

    Cathy



  3. #3
    Ray O
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    Default Re: VW City Golf or Toyota Matrix?


    "WT" <waltert@mts.net> wrote in message
    news:Tpx6h.26098$E_2.25171@newsfe18.lga...
    >I have been driving a 1986 VW GTI for the past 10 years, and since she's
    > starting to show her 20 years of age, I may soon be looking for a
    > replacement. My VW driving and owning experiences have been good,
    > although
    > certainly not flawless. Here in Canada, VW are offering the 2007 City
    > Golf
    > for a very reasonable price. It's basically a 4-door A4 Golf, 2.0L
    > engine,
    > disk brakes on all 4 corners. With options like air conditioning and
    > cruise
    > control, it prices in around $20K CDN. Pretty good warranty. I like the
    > hatchback versatility, and like I said, I have enjoyed driving my GTI.
    >
    > However, as many of you will know, VW are not necessarily leaders in
    > reliability, at least according to the summaries in Consumer Reports and
    > other sources. Toyotas seem to rank much better in the reliabilty area.
    > (Yes, I know those are statistics, and it is possible to get a
    > trouble-free
    > VW or a lemon Toyota.) Looking at Toyota's lineup, the Matrix is the
    > closest match to the City Golf, in terms of size and configuration. With
    > similar options, the Matrix price is comparable, perhaps a bit higher.
    > From
    > doing some on-line comparisons, here are some pros that I've found for
    > each:
    >
    > VW City Golf -
    > ==========
    > PROS: better warranty; disk brakes front and rear; anti-lock brakes;
    > torque
    > peak at low rpm; telescopic steering wheel; wipers are variable and speed
    > sensitive; nicer styling (personal opinion);
    >
    >
    > TOYOTA MATRIX
    > ==============
    > PROS: better fuel economy; higher HP; cargo area has flat floor; better
    > reliability history; 16V engine; more usable cargo space;
    >
    > Opinions, please!
    >
    >


    I am not that familiar with the current generation of VW's, but I recommend
    that you drive the Matrix and Matrix-based Pontiac Vibe to see if you like
    them because they probably have a different feel and handle differently from
    the VW. I've seen very few posts about Matrix problems/issues in
    alt.autos.toyota, if that an indication of their lack of problems.

    --

    Ray O
    (correct punctuation to reply)



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    mike
    Guest

    Default Re: VW City Golf or Toyota Matrix?

    WT wrote:
    > VW City Golf -
    > ==========
    > PROS: better warranty; disk brakes front and rear; anti-lock brakes; torque
    > peak at low rpm; telescopic steering wheel; wipers are variable and speed
    > sensitive; nicer styling (personal opinion);
    >
    >
    > TOYOTA MATRIX
    > ==============
    > PROS: better fuel economy; higher HP; cargo area has flat floor; better
    > reliability history; 16V engine; more usable cargo space;
    >
    > Opinions, please!


    buy whatcha like. personally, i think the toyota will be troublefree the
    longest, but the golf might be more fun to drive. ive owned a
    watercooled VW, and it was a fun lil car, but i doubt id ever get
    another. its all honda and toyota from now on.

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    joebob@fastmail.fm
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    Default Re: VW City Golf or Toyota Matrix?


    I faced a similar situation a year ago. I owned a 97 Golf that had
    been somewhat reliable. When I started looking for a replacement, I
    wanted another Golf. But too many reviews suggested it was anything but
    reliable. After owning 3 VWs (and 5 German cars) I decided to pass and
    look at the cars with the better reviews: Honda, Mazda and Toyota. I
    bought a Corolla (even though it's not German.)

    I know how you feel about the Golf. I was disappointed that the
    quality of VWs had apparently suffered. But I've been very happy with
    the Corolla and have some peace of mind knowing in all likelyhood it
    will be a dependable car.


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    Detailing Dude
    Guest

    Default Re: VW City Golf or Toyota Matrix?

    How about safety? We have a 05 Passat and an 05 Lancer. I know, not the same
    class of car, but that aside, the VW feels like a tank compared to the
    Mitsu. Drive them both and see which you are more comfortable with.
    BTW, who makes the Vibe/Matrix, Toyota or Pontiac?

    Cecil

    <joebob@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
    news:1163595620.533842.43670@h54g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
    >
    > I faced a similar situation a year ago. I owned a 97 Golf that had
    > been somewhat reliable. When I started looking for a replacement, I
    > wanted another Golf. But too many reviews suggested it was anything but

    blah, blah, blah.......



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    Mike Hunter
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    Default Re: VW City Golf or Toyota Matrix?

    Naturally in any NG for a particular brand you will get opinion that favor
    that brand. The fact is All manufactures are building good dependable
    vehicles today. I would suggest one drive all those vehicles that suit
    their needs then get a 'total drive home price,' not merely a selling price,
    to determine which best suits your budget. After you get a total drive home
    price you can determine if you believe any perceived differences between
    vehicles are worth the cost


    mike hunt


    "WT" <waltert@mts.net> wrote in message
    news:Tpx6h.26098$E_2.25171@newsfe18.lga...
    >I have been driving a 1986 VW GTI for the past 10 years, and since she's
    > starting to show her 20 years of age, I may soon be looking for a
    > replacement. My VW driving and owning experiences have been good,
    > although
    > certainly not flawless.


    <snip>

    > VW City Golf -
    > ==========
    > PROS: better warranty; disk brakes front and rear; anti-lock brakes;
    > torque
    > peak at low rpm; telescopic steering wheel; wipers are variable and speed
    > sensitive; nicer styling (personal opinion);
    >
    >
    > TOYOTA MATRIX
    > ==============
    > PROS: better fuel economy; higher HP; cargo area has flat floor; better
    > reliability history; 16V engine; more usable cargo space;
    >
    > Opinions, please!
    >
    >
    >




  8. #8
    tak
    Guest

    Default Re: VW City Golf or Toyota Matrix?


    "WT" <waltert@mts.net> wrote in message
    news:Tpx6h.26098$E_2.25171@newsfe18.lga...
    >I have been driving a 1986 VW GTI for the past 10 years, and since she's
    > starting to show her 20 years of age, I may soon be looking for a
    > replacement. My VW driving and owning experiences have been good,
    > although
    > certainly not flawless. Here in Canada, VW are offering the 2007 City
    > Golf
    > for a very reasonable price. It's basically a 4-door A4 Golf, 2.0L
    > engine,
    > disk brakes on all 4 corners. With options like air conditioning and
    > cruise
    > control, it prices in around $20K CDN. Pretty good warranty. I like the
    > hatchback versatility, and like I said, I have enjoyed driving my GTI.
    >
    > However, as many of you will know, VW are not necessarily leaders in
    > reliability, at least according to the summaries in Consumer Reports and
    > other sources. Toyotas seem to rank much better in the reliabilty area.
    > (Yes, I know those are statistics, and it is possible to get a
    > trouble-free
    > VW or a lemon Toyota.) Looking at Toyota's lineup, the Matrix is the
    > closest match to the City Golf, in terms of size and configuration. With
    > similar options, the Matrix price is comparable, perhaps a bit higher.
    > From
    > doing some on-line comparisons, here are some pros that I've found for
    > each:
    >
    > VW City Golf -
    > ==========
    > PROS: better warranty; disk brakes front and rear; anti-lock brakes;
    > torque
    > peak at low rpm; telescopic steering wheel; wipers are variable and speed
    > sensitive; nicer styling (personal opinion);
    >
    >
    > TOYOTA MATRIX
    > ==============
    > PROS: better fuel economy; higher HP; cargo area has flat floor; better
    > reliability history; 16V engine; more usable cargo space;
    >
    > Opinions, please!
    >
    >
    >

    I have had three VW's and two Toyotas:

    67 Karman Ghia -- too out of date to compare

    86 GTI --Best handling car I have owned, reasonable reliability

    90 Passat -- good handling, Lots of Shop time (wiring harness. rings, heater
    core)

    00 Camry -- pretty good handling, excellent reliability (no expenses beyond
    maintenance and tires in 56k)

    02 RAV 4 --decent handling, excellent reliability (maintenance, tires and
    front brake pads).

    YMMV, but Consumer Reports favors reliability of the Toyotas. Good luck
    with your car hunting,

    Tom



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    JoeSpareBedroom
    Guest

    Default Re: VW City Golf or Toyota Matrix?

    "WT" <waltert@mts.net> wrote in message
    news:Tpx6h.26098$E_2.25171@newsfe18.lga...

    >
    > However, as many of you will know, VW are not necessarily leaders in
    > reliability.......


    My mechanic laughs when someone says VW. His intuition is spooky, so when he
    laughs, I trust him.



  10. #10
    Papa
    Guest

    Default Re: VW City Golf or Toyota Matrix?

    My choice for a new car is the Toyota Prius. It is a FULL hybrid that has
    very low fuel consumption (the EPA combined city/highway rating is 55 mpg).
    Toyota could easily double that figure if they would only go to the next
    logical step and offer a Plug-In Hybrid Electric Vehicle (PHEV) option.



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