On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 10:45:01 -0400, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno@e86.GTS>
wrote:

>On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 22:21:22 -0400, Cathy F. wrote:
>
>>> Could be.
>>>
>>> Why would I want to see a slow down when I can prove my cars get better
>>> mileage at faster speeds?
>>
>> Yeah, but 80 mph? Accident & ticket & higher car insur. rates avoidance,
>> maybe??
>
>I've only driven the car 80 maybe 4 times, once from Hartford to
>Springfield. On that trip I drove 75 MPH down and 80 MPH back, after
>filling the tank, and when I filled it when I got back it came up 31 MPG.
>Usual economy is 27. Mostly highway driving (70 MPH) gets me 29-30. I can
>live with that.

You drove 80 on I-91? Death wish? I left Stapleton once heading to
Chicopee and hit a pothole near Enfield that broke the A-Frame on the
rental I was driving.
>
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"Hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒ*ク" <Trueno@e86.GTS> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 11:46:29 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>
>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
>> news:486e40b4$0$23841$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
>>> On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 10:28:11 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Moe" <BubbleleLand@Fat.City> wrote in message
>>>> news:486e04bc$0$4029$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net. ..
>>>>> I'd rather see some kind of if you can drive this fast and still get
>>>>> 30 MPG and traffic permitting, you can drive 65 or 70.
>>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080703/...er_speed_limit
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'd rather see a president say "Do the math, people. For a 1/2 hour
>>>> trip, do you really need to get there a minute sooner? Try keeping it
>>>> under 2000 RPMs for a few weeks & see if your wallet likes the
>>>> results.
>>>
>>> My Japanese cars all get their best fuel economy at 70MPH.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> All cars are the same, so it's pointless to experiment. Forget I
>> mentioned it.
>
> Not really now, are they?
>
> But my cars get better economy at 70 than at 55. Except the Scion. It
> gets it's best at 80.
>


I'm not opposed to speed, and I'm NOT in favor of a 55 mph speed limit...
however, with that said, it's almost statistically impossible for your
statements to be accurate. And there's NO way a Scion (or any car) produces
better gas mileage at 80 than at a lower speed. The resistance factor alone
makes that exponentially impossible.

Willy

"Gary L. Burnore" <gburnore@databasix.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 23:44:05 -0400, "Tomes" <ask.me@here.net> wrote:
>
>>"Hachiroku ????"...
>>> But my cars get better economy at 70 than at 55. Except the Scion. It
>>> gets it's best at 80.
>>>
>>OK, your cars. How about on average for all the cars on the road in the
>>USA
>>today?
>
> Add mine to the same list as his. Look at it this way:
>
> When you drive 70mph, it takes you 5.4 hours to go from SF to LA.
> When you drive 55mph, it takes you 6.9 hours to go from SF to LA.
>
> Can you honestly say that you think you'd lose LESS gas by running
> your car's engine for an additional ONE AND A HALF hours?
>
>
>
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sorry guys... I'm not in favor of 55 mpg, however, you WOULD get better gas
mileage at 55, and even though the trip would take longer, you would have
used less gas.

Willy

"Hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒ*ク" <Trueno@e86.GTS> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 22:21:22 -0400, Cathy F. wrote:
>
>>> Could be.
>>>
>>> Why would I want to see a slow down when I can prove my cars get better
>>> mileage at faster speeds?
>>
>> Yeah, but 80 mph? Accident & ticket & higher car insur. rates avoidance,
>> maybe??
>
> I've only driven the car 80 maybe 4 times, once from Hartford to
> Springfield. On that trip I drove 75 MPH down and 80 MPH back, after
> filling the tank, and when I filled it when I got back it came up 31 MPG.
> Usual economy is 27. Mostly highway driving (70 MPH) gets me 29-30. I can
> live with that.
>
>


I don't think you're giving a fair comparison. I don't know how many hills
and valleys, weather temperature, stop and goes are involved in your 27 mpg,
but the only way you can substantiate your claim would be to drive the same
exact route at 55, then drive it again at 80, and if THEN you could say
(which I assure you could not) your mileage was higher, you would own a
vehicle of immeasurable value, something one of the Big 3 would probably
want to buy and see how it's happening.

The resistance factor at 80 mph alone eliminates the possibility of getting
"better" mileage than at any lesser speed.

however, you may have driven more consistently, with less speed variation,
possibly on flatter land than your traditional environment... many other
factors are lending a helping hand.

Willy

"Willy" <wesk@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@e86.GTS> wrote in message
> news:486eb681$0$23888$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
>> On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 11:46:29 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>
>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
>>> news:486e40b4$0$23841$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
>>>> On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 10:28:11 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Moe" <BubbleleLand@Fat.City> wrote in message
>>>>> news:486e04bc$0$4029$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net. ..
>>>>>> I'd rather see some kind of if you can drive this fast and still get
>>>>>> 30 MPG and traffic permitting, you can drive 65 or 70.
>>>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080703/...er_speed_limit
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd rather see a president say "Do the math, people. For a 1/2 hour
>>>>> trip, do you really need to get there a minute sooner? Try keeping it
>>>>> under 2000 RPMs for a few weeks & see if your wallet likes the
>>>>> results.
>>>>
>>>> My Japanese cars all get their best fuel economy at 70MPH.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> All cars are the same, so it's pointless to experiment. Forget I
>>> mentioned it.
>>
>> Not really now, are they?
>>
>> But my cars get better economy at 70 than at 55. Except the Scion. It
>> gets it's best at 80.
>>
>
>
> I'm not opposed to speed, and I'm NOT in favor of a 55 mph speed limit...
> however, with that said, it's almost statistically impossible for your
> statements to be accurate. And there's NO way a Scion (or any car)
> produces better gas mileage at 80 than at a lower speed. The resistance
> factor alone makes that exponentially impossible.
>
> Willy


The laws of physics are the same everywhere on earth, except in Hach's
skull, where you can hear the sound of the ocean. Or, the wind.

"Reverend AlGore" <globalwarming@church.com> wrote in message
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> In article <486e04bc$0$4029$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
> Moe <BubbleleLand@Fat.City> wrote:
>
>> I'd rather see some kind of if you can drive this fast and still get 30
>> MPG and traffic permitting, you can drive 65 or 70.
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080703/...er_speed_limit
>
> Jimmie Carter, bless his soul, set the speed limits at 55 nationwide.
> It was not popular and most ignored it. It is a new day, a new era with
> more enlightened voters. I hope Obama sets the speed limits at 55
> again, does away with noisy motorcycles, boats, cars and taxes to the
> max large SUV's, leaf blowers, lawn mowers, snowblowers, pickup trucks,
> boats with motors and all the other motorized recreational toys people
> have today. Also I would hope Obama, in order to cause healthcare to be
> cheaper, makes people diet in order to weigh less and therefore put less
> burden on the national healthcare plan that Obama has in mind for us. I
> would also hope that he makes physical activity such as walking two or
> three miles a day mandatary, monitored by the federal government, which
> will be created under the new mandatary healthcare plan which Barrack
> will create for us, such as homeland healthcare services, for example,
> this will create jobs BTW, union jobs.
>
> I have high hopes for Obama in 08, he will lead us out of Iraq,
> eventually, when the time is right. Barack said he will give us
> national healthcare and raise taxes on the rich, yippy, lower taxes on
> the poor, bring big oil to it's knees, woooo-hoooo!! I hope you all
> vote for Barack Obama, the next president of the U.S.


You could have wrote a lot less if you simply just said that you hope Obama
sheds the constitution even more than Bush has.

"Gary L. Burnore" <gburnore@databasix.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 17:47:54 -0400, Scott in Florida
> <MoveOn@outa.here> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 16:37:52 -0500, Reverend AlGore
>><globalwarming@church.com> wrote:
>>
>>>In article <486e04bc$0$4029$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
>>> Moe <BubbleleLand@Fat.City> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'd rather see some kind of if you can drive this fast and still get 30
>>>> MPG and traffic permitting, you can drive 65 or 70.
>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080703/...er_speed_limit
>>>
>>>Jimmie Carter, bless his soul, set the speed limits at 55 nationwide.
>>>It was not popular and most ignored it. It is a new day, a new era with
>>>more enlightened voters. I hope Obama sets the speed limits at 55
>>>again, does away with noisy motorcycles, boats, cars and taxes to the
>>>max large SUV's, leaf blowers, lawn mowers, snowblowers, pickup trucks,
>>>boats with motors and all the other motorized recreational toys people
>>>have today. Also I would hope Obama, in order to cause healthcare to be
>>>cheaper, makes people diet in order to weigh less and therefore put less
>>>burden on the national healthcare plan that Obama has in mind for us. I
>>>would also hope that he makes physical activity such as walking two or
>>>three miles a day mandatary, monitored by the federal government, which
>>>will be created under the new mandatary healthcare plan which Barrack
>>>will create for us, such as homeland healthcare services, for example,
>>>this will create jobs BTW, union jobs.
>>>
>>>I have high hopes for Obama in 08, he will lead us out of Iraq,
>>>eventually, when the time is right. Barack said he will give us
>>>national healthcare and raise taxes on the rich, yippy, lower taxes on
>>>the poor, bring big oil to it's knees, woooo-hoooo!! I hope you all
>>>vote for Barack Obama, the next president of the U.S.
>>
>>ROFLMAO
>>
>>Your reasons to vote 'for' Barry are the reason he won't be elected.
>
> Excepting, of course that Obama will beat Toilet McSame and you'll be
> whining for at least four years. More likely 8.

I'm whining now, I was whining when Clinton was president, and I will whine
when Obama or McCain get the presidency. That's the joy of being an
independent instead of a lemming.

On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 11:34:36 -0400, "Willy" <wesk@prodigy.net> wrote:

>"Gary L. Burnore" <gburnore@databasix.com> wrote in message
>news:g4mrhn$11m$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com.. .
>> On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 23:44:05 -0400, "Tomes" <ask.me@here.net> wrote:
>>
>>>"Hachiroku ????"...
>>>> But my cars get better economy at 70 than at 55. Except the Scion. It
>>>> gets it's best at 80.
>>>>
>>>OK, your cars. How about on average for all the cars on the road in the
>>>USA
>>>today?
>>
>> Add mine to the same list as his. Look at it this way:
>>
>> When you drive 70mph, it takes you 5.4 hours to go from SF to LA.
>> When you drive 55mph, it takes you 6.9 hours to go from SF to LA.
>>
>> Can you honestly say that you think you'd lose LESS gas by running
>> your car's engine for an additional ONE AND A HALF hours?


>sorry guys... I'm not in favor of 55 mpg, however, you WOULD get better gas
>mileage at 55, and even though the trip would take longer, you would have
>used less gas.

Really? Care to post some numbers to back up your claim? Start
with this: How much better gas mileage? Say you get 30 at 70. How
much better at 55 on average?
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On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 11:32:38 -0400, "Willy" <wesk@prodigy.net> wrote:

>"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@e86.GTS> wrote in message
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>> On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 11:46:29 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>
>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
>>> news:486e40b4$0$23841$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
>>>> On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 10:28:11 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Moe" <BubbleleLand@Fat.City> wrote in message
>>>>> news:486e04bc$0$4029$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net. ..
>>>>>> I'd rather see some kind of if you can drive this fast and still get
>>>>>> 30 MPG and traffic permitting, you can drive 65 or 70.
>>>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080703/...er_speed_limit
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd rather see a president say "Do the math, people. For a 1/2 hour
>>>>> trip, do you really need to get there a minute sooner? Try keeping it
>>>>> under 2000 RPMs for a few weeks & see if your wallet likes the
>>>>> results.
>>>>
>>>> My Japanese cars all get their best fuel economy at 70MPH.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> All cars are the same, so it's pointless to experiment. Forget I
>>> mentioned it.
>>
>> Not really now, are they?
>>
>> But my cars get better economy at 70 than at 55. Except the Scion. It
>> gets it's best at 80.
>>
>
>
>I'm not opposed to speed, and I'm NOT in favor of a 55 mph speed limit...
>however, with that said, it's almost statistically impossible for your
>statements to be accurate. And there's NO way a Scion (or any car) produces
>better gas mileage at 80 than at a lower speed. The resistance factor alone
>makes that exponentially impossible.

Do you think a car sitting idling uses gas? Just curious.
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On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 11:49:01 -0400, "JoeSpareBedroom"
<dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote:

>"Willy" <wesk@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@e86.GTS> wrote in message
>> news:486eb681$0$23888$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
>>> On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 11:46:29 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
>>>> news:486e40b4$0$23841$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
>>>>> On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 10:28:11 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Moe" <BubbleleLand@Fat.City> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:486e04bc$0$4029$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net. ..
>>>>>>> I'd rather see some kind of if you can drive this fast and still get
>>>>>>> 30 MPG and traffic permitting, you can drive 65 or 70.
>>>>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080703/...er_speed_limit
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd rather see a president say "Do the math, people. For a 1/2 hour
>>>>>> trip, do you really need to get there a minute sooner? Try keeping it
>>>>>> under 2000 RPMs for a few weeks & see if your wallet likes the
>>>>>> results.
>>>>>
>>>>> My Japanese cars all get their best fuel economy at 70MPH.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> All cars are the same, so it's pointless to experiment. Forget I
>>>> mentioned it.
>>>
>>> Not really now, are they?
>>>
>>> But my cars get better economy at 70 than at 55. Except the Scion. It
>>> gets it's best at 80.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I'm not opposed to speed, and I'm NOT in favor of a 55 mph speed limit...
>> however, with that said, it's almost statistically impossible for your
>> statements to be accurate. And there's NO way a Scion (or any car)
>> produces better gas mileage at 80 than at a lower speed. The resistance
>> factor alone makes that exponentially impossible.
>>
>> Willy
>
>
>The laws of physics are the same everywhere on earth, except in Hach's
>skull, where you can hear the sound of the ocean. Or, the wind.
>
In _THIS_ _ONE_ case, he's actually correct. With computer controls
and fuel injection, cars run far more efficiently than before.
Especially if they're not speeding up and slowing down. If you drive
500 miles at 70 vs 500 miles at 55, you do it in less time. The
engine's computer helps it get nearly the same gas mileage but the
difference in time makes the slower speed more wasteful.

If you made the same trip at 30mph, you'd waste even more fuel. Add
to that the human factor. The longer the trip takes, the more likely
you are to stop along the way. Got kids? You know what I mean. When
you slow down, you have to come back up to speed. Even from 0 to 55
uses more fuel than cruising at 55 or at 70.

You need to take EVERYTHING into account, not just the difference mpg.
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