"Conscience" <nobama@gov.com> wrote in message
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> On 2008-12-04 10:12:32 -0800, "JoeSpareBedroom"
> <newstrash@frontiernet.net> said:
>
>>>> To their detriment how?
>>>
>>> By leaving orthodoxy and plummeting to inconsequential and extremist
>>> viewpoints. Listen to TBN some time. Joyce something-or-other is a
>>> classic example. You'd see.
>>>
>>
>> Yes. I'm sure that switching the a female priest is the end of everything
>> good about a church. All of them. "Every", to use your word.
>>
>> TBN: You have no future in comedy.
>
> I know of no exception to my claim. Not one. TBN wasn't for comedy
> relief. It was mentioned for the "disgust" factor.
>

No exceptions: You've checked every congregation that has splintered off
from a more traditional church. Where did you find the time? Did you travel
to lots of interesting places? Any pictures to share?

TBN: So, you presented the worst possible example, and tried
(unsuccessfully) to present it as the norm for splinter congregations.

Definition of "success" in this venture: Convincing me that there are no
exceptions to your claim.



>>>> The meaning of the word "primate" is proper and appropriate,
>>>> considering
>>>> the
>>>> subject matter. If someone used it to describe Wright, they would've
>>>> chosen
>>>> the wrong word because he is not a bishop. Don't you own a dictionary?
>>>
>>> Bishop would not be the only subsitute but you knew that.
>>>
>>> Don't be patronizing. It's beneath...well...never mind. You know very
>>> well what happened to a politician several months ago when he innocently
>>> used the word "monkey". Go ahead and tell me you'd bet money that Al
>>> Sharpton or Jesse Jackson wouldn't have made a proverbial mountain out
>>> of
>>> the use of that word when applied to black church leadership.
>>
>>
>> Irrelevant what those two would think. But, if I don't comment on it,
>> you'll
>> say I didn't answer your question. Sharpton would shoot his mouth off
>> because he loves news cameras. Jackson would probably say something like
>> "The motive for using the word was obviously to insult, but we can brush
>> that off because the person who used the word is illiterate."
>
> What ARE those two going to do now that racism ended on November 4th?
> They're going to need a whole new spiel.
>
>
>> In the article, the word "primate" is known to be correct in the eyes of
>> all
>> sentient, educated adults. Any who disagree are outside the subset of
>> adults
>> known as "sentient and educated". That subset does not matter. They will
>> blow away like fallen leaves.
>
> I never said it wasn't correct. I said it was intentionally chosen, and
> another term would most certainly have been used had the subject been
> black clergy.
>
> But you knew that.
>

It was intentionally chosen because it is the correct word to describe the
bishops. That's what I knew as soon as I saw the word, because I really love
language.

"Conscience" <nobama@gov.com> wrote in message
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> On 2008-12-04 10:13:07 -0800, "JoeSpareBedroom"
> <newstrash@frontiernet.net> said:
>
>>> Well said. I'm aware of people leaving many denominations when they
>>> begin
>>> to leave tenets of the faith. This is directly responsible for the
>>> growth
>>> of non-denominational churches which, as a rule, do not change Biblical
>>> theology to suit their sociological desires.
>>>
>>
>> I'm curious: Do splintering churches affect you personally in any way? If
>> yes, how?
>
> Not a bit, unless you count empathy for those who must leave due to their
> orthodoxy.
>

Sometimes they stay because of their orthodoxy.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...pagewanted=all


If only life was as simple as you crave.

On 2008-12-04 10:45:47 -0800, "JoeSpareBedroom"
<newstrash@frontiernet.net> said:

> "Conscience" <nobama@gov.com> wrote in message
> news:gh9822$ea8$1@news.albasani.net...
>> On 2008-12-04 10:12:32 -0800, "JoeSpareBedroom"
>> <newstrash@frontiernet.net> said:
>>
>>>>> To their detriment how?
>>>>
>>>> By leaving orthodoxy and plummeting to inconsequential and extremist
>>>> viewpoints. Listen to TBN some time. Joyce something-or-other is a
>>>> classic example. You'd see.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes. I'm sure that switching the a female priest is the end of everything
>>> good about a church. All of them. "Every", to use your word.
>>>
>>> TBN: You have no future in comedy.
>>
>> I know of no exception to my claim. Not one. TBN wasn't for comedy
>> relief. It was mentioned for the "disgust" factor.
>>
>
> No exceptions: You've checked every congregation that has splintered off
> from a more traditional church. Where did you find the time? Did you travel
> to lots of interesting places? Any pictures to share?

Are you having comprehension troubles? I didn't say there were no
exceptions, only that I know of none.

> TBN: So, you presented the worst possible example, and tried
> (unsuccessfully) to present it as the norm for splinter congregations.

That's your opinion. Considering your knowledge of Christian
orthodoxy, I'll pass on that opinion, thank-you-very-much.

> Definition of "success" in this venture: Convincing me that there are no
> exceptions to your claim.

Never said there weren't. Time for you to throw that can again.

I never said it wasn't correct. I said it was intentionally chosen, and
>> another term would most certainly have been used had the subject been
>> black clergy.
>>
>> But you knew that.
>>
>
> It was intentionally chosen because it is the correct word to describe the
> bishops. That's what I knew as soon as I saw the word, because I really love
> language.

I, also, knew it was correct in context and use. But between the lines
stuff happens all the time.

But you knew that.

On 2008-12-04 10:47:16 -0800, "JoeSpareBedroom"
<newstrash@frontiernet.net> said:

> "Conscience" <nobama@gov.com> wrote in message
> news:gh9864$eej$1@news.albasani.net...
>> On 2008-12-04 10:13:07 -0800, "JoeSpareBedroom"
>> <newstrash@frontiernet.net> said:
>>
>>>> Well said. I'm aware of people leaving many denominations when they
>>>> begin
>>>> to leave tenets of the faith. This is directly responsible for the
>>>> growth
>>>> of non-denominational churches which, as a rule, do not change Biblical
>>>> theology to suit their sociological desires.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm curious: Do splintering churches affect you personally in any way? If
>>> yes, how?
>>
>> Not a bit, unless you count empathy for those who must leave due to their
>> orthodoxy.
>>
>
> Sometimes they stay because of their orthodoxy.
>
> http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...pagewanted=all


If
>
> only life was as simple as you crave.

You're getting into a realm in which you know little, if anything.
Suffice it to say that delving much deeper is going to be even more out
of your reach, and likely to offend some here which would be pointless.

"Conscience" <nobama@gov.com> wrote in message
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> On 2008-12-04 10:45:47 -0800, "JoeSpareBedroom"
> <newstrash@frontiernet.net> said:
>
>> "Conscience" <nobama@gov.com> wrote in message
>> news:gh9822$ea8$1@news.albasani.net...
>>> On 2008-12-04 10:12:32 -0800, "JoeSpareBedroom"
>>> <newstrash@frontiernet.net> said:
>>>
>>>>>> To their detriment how?
>>>>>
>>>>> By leaving orthodoxy and plummeting to inconsequential and extremist
>>>>> viewpoints. Listen to TBN some time. Joyce something-or-other is a
>>>>> classic example. You'd see.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes. I'm sure that switching the a female priest is the end of
>>>> everything
>>>> good about a church. All of them. "Every", to use your word.
>>>>
>>>> TBN: You have no future in comedy.
>>>
>>> I know of no exception to my claim. Not one. TBN wasn't for comedy
>>> relief. It was mentioned for the "disgust" factor.
>>>
>>
>> No exceptions: You've checked every congregation that has splintered off
>> from a more traditional church. Where did you find the time? Did you
>> travel
>> to lots of interesting places? Any pictures to share?
>
> Are you having comprehension troubles? I didn't say there were no
> exceptions, only that I know of none.
>
>> TBN: So, you presented the worst possible example, and tried
>> (unsuccessfully) to present it as the norm for splinter congregations.
>
> That's your opinion. Considering your knowledge of Christian orthodoxy,
> I'll pass on that opinion, thank-you-very-much.
>


You erased this: "I don't believe that it's a coincidence that every
denomination that starts out with the ordination of women ends up ignoring
church history and orthodoxy to their detriment."

You said "every", therefore you do not believe there are exceptions -
churches which splinter off and do not yayayayaya.

Based on your word choice, there are no exceptions. Do you want to change
your word choice so we can continue?




>> Definition of "success" in this venture: Convincing me that there are no
>> exceptions to your claim.
>
> Never said there weren't. Time for you to throw that can again.
>

Yes, you did say there were no exceptions. See above. You said "every".



>> I never said it wasn't correct. I said it was intentionally chosen, and
>>> another term would most certainly have been used had the subject been
>>> black clergy.
>>>
>>> But you knew that.
>>>
>>
>> It was intentionally chosen because it is the correct word to describe
>> the
>> bishops. That's what I knew as soon as I saw the word, because I really
>> love
>> language.
>
> I, also, knew it was correct in context and use. But between the lines
> stuff happens all the time.
>
> But you knew that.

So, are you saying that in the article you presented in your first message,
the author chose the word "primate" with some sort of strange motive? If
yes, describe that motive.

"Conscience" <nobama@gov.com> wrote in message
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> On 2008-12-04 10:47:16 -0800, "JoeSpareBedroom"
> <newstrash@frontiernet.net> said:
>
>> "Conscience" <nobama@gov.com> wrote in message
>> news:gh9864$eej$1@news.albasani.net...
>>> On 2008-12-04 10:13:07 -0800, "JoeSpareBedroom"
>>> <newstrash@frontiernet.net> said:
>>>
>>>>> Well said. I'm aware of people leaving many denominations when they
>>>>> begin
>>>>> to leave tenets of the faith. This is directly responsible for the
>>>>> growth
>>>>> of non-denominational churches which, as a rule, do not change
>>>>> Biblical
>>>>> theology to suit their sociological desires.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm curious: Do splintering churches affect you personally in any way?
>>>> If
>>>> yes, how?
>>>
>>> Not a bit, unless you count empathy for those who must leave due to
>>> their
>>> orthodoxy.
>>>
>>
>> Sometimes they stay because of their orthodoxy.
>>
>> http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...pagewanted=all
>
>
> If
>>
>> only life was as simple as you crave.
>
> You're getting into a realm in which you know little, if anything.

Really? What am I missing? If a splinter group ignores one rule written
hundreds of years ago, what's the result? Are people gonna burn in hell or
something?


> Suffice it to say that delving much deeper is going to be even more out of
> your reach, and likely to offend some here which would be pointless.


Considering how much time & energy you're willing to devote to this issue,
I'd say my analysis is correct: You can't accept that the world is
constantly changing. It's not simple. People who can't accept that usually
end up marginalized.

Conscience wrote:

>What ARE those two going to do now that racism ended on November 4th?
>They're going to need a whole new spiel.

They'll still find people who don't worship the Messiah and brand them
racist.

--
"The laws in this city are clearly racist. All laws are racist. The law
of gravity is racist." ~ Marion Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC

On 2008-12-04 11:06:59 -0800, "JoeSpareBedroom"
<newstrash@frontiernet.net> said:

> "Conscience" <nobama@gov.com> wrote in message
> news:gh99cq$g7c$1@news.albasani.net...
>> On 2008-12-04 10:45:47 -0800, "JoeSpareBedroom"
>> <newstrash@frontiernet.net> said:
>>
>>> "Conscience" <nobama@gov.com> wrote in message
>>> news:gh9822$ea8$1@news.albasani.net...
>>>> On 2008-12-04 10:12:32 -0800, "JoeSpareBedroom"
>>>> <newstrash@frontiernet.net> said:
>>>>
>>>>>>> To their detriment how?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By leaving orthodoxy and plummeting to inconsequential and extremist
>>>>>> viewpoints. Listen to TBN some time. Joyce something-or-other is a
>>>>>> classic example. You'd see.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes. I'm sure that switching the a female priest is the end of
>>>>> everything
>>>>> good about a church. All of them. "Every", to use your word.
>>>>>
>>>>> TBN: You have no future in comedy.
>>>>
>>>> I know of no exception to my claim. Not one. TBN wasn't for comedy
>>>> relief. It was mentioned for the "disgust" factor.
>>>>
>>>
>>> No exceptions: You've checked every congregation that has splintered off
>>> from a more traditional church. Where did you find the time? Did you
>>> travel
>>> to lots of interesting places? Any pictures to share?
>>
>> Are you having comprehension troubles? I didn't say there were no
>> exceptions, only that I know of none.
>>
>>> TBN: So, you presented the worst possible example, and tried
>>> (unsuccessfully) to present it as the norm for splinter congregations.
>>
>> That's your opinion. Considering your knowledge of Christian orthodoxy,
>> I'll pass on that opinion, thank-you-very-much.
>>
>
>
> You erased this: "I don't believe that it's a coincidence that every
> denomination that starts out with the ordination of women ends up ignoring
> church history and orthodoxy to their detriment."
>
> You said "every", therefore you do not believe there are exceptions -
> churches which splinter off and do not yayayayaya.
>
> Based on your word choice, there are no exceptions. Do you want to change
> your word choice so we can continue?

I'll add "that I know of" after "every". Work for you?

>> I, also, knew it [the word "primate"] was correct in context and use.
>> But between the lines
>> stuff happens all the time.
>>
>> But you knew that.
>
> So, are you saying that in the article you presented in your first message,
> the author chose the word "primate" with some sort of strange motive? If
> yes, describe that motive.

Asked and answered.

"Conscience" <nobama@gov.com> wrote in message
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>> So, are you saying that in the article you presented in your first
>> message,
>> the author chose the word "primate" with some sort of strange motive? If
>> yes, describe that motive.
>
> Asked and answered.
>


Here? In this earlier paragraph from you?

"The likely bias? Imagine the leadership in Obama's church, with the
"Rev." Wright at the helm, being described as "primates". Does any
right-thinking individual believe that charges of racism wouldn't be
thrown at the author? More has been made of far less this campaign
season. In this case, it is my sincere belief that the word was chosen
carefully among more suitable labels such as "church leadership" or
"bishops". The next paragraph uses the term two more times for
emphasis. A very subtle but clever bit of writing, but then the best
propaganda is always subtle."

I'm at work, multitasking. Help me out here. Was that it? Let's not create
84 more messages when one will suffice.

"Conscience" <nobama@gov.com> wrote in message
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> On 2008-12-04 11:19:17 -0800, "JoeSpareBedroom"
> <newstrash@frontiernet.net> said:
>
>> Considering how much time & energy you're willing to devote to this
>> issue,
>
> Hello? Pot calling kettle?

I'm just having fun with it. Mostly, it's about words.


>> I'd say my analysis is correct: You can't accept that the world is
>> constantly changing. It's not simple. People who can't accept that
>> usually
>> end up marginalized.
>
> Funny. Marginalized. God's Word being marginalized.
>
> That's been tried thousand of times with no success.
>

Not god's word. People who go apeshit because of varying interpretations.
But, remember that I've spent lots of time talking to the worst of the lot:
Evangelists who believe that even if a Buddhist leads the life of a saint,
precisely matching evangelist rules (purely by coincidence), the Buddhist
will eventually burn in hell.

I tend to view all religion with huge skepticism because of stories like
that.