Here we go again: Round 2

ROWE — Unlike the nuclear reactor that stopped operating here
in 1992, after generating electricity for more than 30 years, and unlike
even the hydroelectric generators along the Deerfield River, turbines
spinning in the wind might be a downright friendly way to make power
—and maybe even an attractive alternative to fossil-fuel power plants.

But don’t tell that to David Roberson or other members of the National
Wind Watch, a 1½-year-old organization based in Rowe that tries to
counteract what its members call the “feel-good� image of wind energy.

Roberson, who’s vice president of the nonprofit group that tries to dispel
wind power’s positive spin and help local opponents of wind projects
everywhere, points to the chickens, goats, geese and other farm animals
behind his house, and to the dozen years he and his wife spent living off
the power grid in Hawley before moving here, as demonstrating his concern
about the environment.

“I’ve always been interested in sustainability and always considered
myself an ecological person,� said Roberson, eager to show he’s no
mere NIMBY. He’d even contemplated building a wind turbine for his house
before moving here eight years ago. But since the house was already hooked
up to utility lines, he abandoned those plans and eventually began
thinking of wind generation as an expensive, impractical proposition
“just to make a statement.�

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http://www.recorder.com/main.asp?Sec...76&TM=36962.39


Another example of the county I live in. After years and years and years
of hearing the Eco-Freaks crying about how generating electricty is
wrecking the ecology, a group comes in and wants to erext a wind farm in
Heath. Nope...no good. Now, they are looking at Rowe, a town of maybe
3,000 people and PLENTY of wind available...Nope.

"Not just another NIMBY", huh?

Wanna bet?

Nation Wind Watch, just another group opposed to anything...just like
SprawlBusters...Google it...

On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:22:45 +0000, Hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒ*ク wrote:

> “I’ve always been interested in sustainability and always considered
> myself an ecological person,� said Roberson, eager to show he’s no
> mere NIMBY.


Found a post I made here in December. He's not a NIMBY...

He's a COVE:

> What's a COVE? This is even better then a NIMBY:

> Citizens Opposed to Virtually Everything.

Yeah, that sums this area up in a *nut*shell...

Actually thousands of birds are killed by energy wind farms. They must be
carefully placed as to no upset migratory patterns. Either that or someone
needs to come up with a means to keep the birds clear of the spinning
turbine blades.



"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
news:1I6rh.3472$tZ.914@trndny05...
> On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:22:45 +0000, Hachiroku ???? wrote:
>
>> "I've always been interested in sustainability and always considered
>> myself an ecological person," said Roberson, eager to show he's no
>> mere NIMBY.
>
>
> Found a post I made here in December. He's not a NIMBY...
>
> He's a COVE:
>
>> What's a COVE? This is even better then a NIMBY:
>
>> Citizens Opposed to Virtually Everything.
>
> Yeah, that sums this area up in a *nut*shell...
>
>

On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:43:56 GMT, "Art"
<begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:

>Actually thousands of birds are killed by energy wind farms. They must be
>carefully placed as to no upset migratory patterns. Either that or someone
>needs to come up with a means to keep the birds clear of the spinning
>turbine blades.
>

It is called a double barrel shotgun....


>
>
>"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
>news:1I6rh.3472$tZ.914@trndny05...
>> On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:22:45 +0000, Hachiroku ???? wrote:
>>
>>> "I've always been interested in sustainability and always considered
>>> myself an ecological person," said Roberson, eager to show he's no
>>> mere NIMBY.
>>
>>
>> Found a post I made here in December. He's not a NIMBY...
>>
>> He's a COVE:
>>
>>> What's a COVE? This is even better then a NIMBY:
>>
>>> Citizens Opposed to Virtually Everything.
>>
>> Yeah, that sums this area up in a *nut*shell...
>>
>>
>

--

Scott in Florida

In article <0W9rh.11700$w91.2756@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink .net>,
"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:

> Actually thousands of birds are killed by energy wind farms. They must be
> carefully placed as to no upset migratory patterns. Either that or someone
> needs to come up with a means to keep the birds clear of the spinning
> turbine blades.

Wind generation is a boondoggle. I don't see where it will even cause a
small dent in total energy independence. We need more nukes on line and
quit fooling around with this silly stuff. It's just another government
tax deduction for some.



>
>
>
> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
> news:1I6rh.3472$tZ.914@trndny05...
> > On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:22:45 +0000, Hachiroku ???? wrote:
> >
> >> "I've always been interested in sustainability and always considered
> >> myself an ecological person," said Roberson, eager to show he's no
> >> mere NIMBY.
> >
> >
> > Found a post I made here in December. He's not a NIMBY...
> >
> > He's a COVE:
> >
> >> What's a COVE? This is even better then a NIMBY:
> >
> >> Citizens Opposed to Virtually Everything.
> >
> > Yeah, that sums this area up in a *nut*shell...
> >
> >
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Art <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Actually thousands of birds are killed by energy wind farms. They must be
> carefully placed as to no upset migratory patterns. Either that or someone
> needs to come up with a means to keep the birds clear of the spinning
> turbine blades.

That number (thousands) is accurate. Actually 6400 outside California,
so perhaps "tens of thousands" would be accurate.
http://www.awea.org/faq/sagrillo/swbirds.html

However to put this in perspective, 130 to 174 million bird deaths a year
occur due to power transmission lines, and 60 and 80 million birds annually
are due to collisions with motor vehicles.

So next time somebody advocates against windpower for this reason, ask them
if they want to eliminate AC power and motor vehicles as well.

On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:43:56 +0000, Art wrote:

> Actually thousands of birds are killed by energy wind farms. They must be
> carefully placed as to no upset migratory patterns. Either that or someone
> needs to come up with a means to keep the birds clear of the spinning
> turbine blades.

Yeah, that's what they say.

But there was a Government funded study I saw in the same paper 6 months
ago that says birds aren't quite that dumb...



>
>
>
> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
> news:1I6rh.3472$tZ.914@trndny05...
>> On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:22:45 +0000, Hachiroku ???? wrote:
>>
>>> "I've always been interested in sustainability and always considered
>>> myself an ecological person," said Roberson, eager to show he's no
>>> mere NIMBY.
>>
>>
>> Found a post I made here in December. He's not a NIMBY...
>>
>> He's a COVE:
>>
>>> What's a COVE? This is even better then a NIMBY:
>>
>>> Citizens Opposed to Virtually Everything.
>>
>> Yeah, that sums this area up in a *nut*shell...
>>
>>

On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 13:55:01 -0800, Bill Tuthill wrote:

> Art <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> Actually thousands of birds are killed by energy wind farms. They must be
>> carefully placed as to no upset migratory patterns. Either that or someone
>> needs to come up with a means to keep the birds clear of the spinning
>> turbine blades.
>
> That number (thousands) is accurate. Actually 6400 outside California,
> so perhaps "tens of thousands" would be accurate.
> http://www.awea.org/faq/sagrillo/swbirds.html


"A 1986 study found that 69 million birds flew though the San Gorgonio
Pass during the Spring and Fall migrations. During both migrating
seasons, only 38 dead birds were found during that typical year,
representing only 0.00006% of the migrating population. "

Seems fairly acceptable to me. I've killed more birds driving...




>
> However to put this in perspective, 130 to 174 million bird deaths a year
> occur due to power transmission lines, and 60 and 80 million birds annually
> are due to collisions with motor vehicles.
>
> So next time somebody advocates against windpower for this reason, ask them
> if they want to eliminate AC power and motor vehicles as well.

I think that's the plan.

"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote in message
news:Ppcrh.6824$q32.1395@trndny01...
> On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 13:55:01 -0800, Bill Tuthill wrote:
>
>> Art <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>> Actually thousands of birds are killed by energy wind farms. They must
>>> be
>>> carefully placed as to no upset migratory patterns. Either that or
>>> someone
>>> needs to come up with a means to keep the birds clear of the spinning
>>> turbine blades.
>>
>> That number (thousands) is accurate. Actually 6400 outside California,
>> so perhaps "tens of thousands" would be accurate.
>> http://www.awea.org/faq/sagrillo/swbirds.html
>
>
> "A 1986 study found that 69 million birds flew though the San Gorgonio
> Pass during the Spring and Fall migrations. During both migrating
> seasons, only 38 dead birds were found during that typical year,
> representing only 0.00006% of the migrating population. "
>
> Seems fairly acceptable to me.

I'm in favor of alternative energy, incl. wind farms. However, I also
believe all aspects of their impact should be taken into account &
engineered & placed in the least disruptive ways possible.

> I've killed more birds driving...

AFAIK, only one; it was a hawk, on the NYS Thruway many years ago. I saw
him (her?) up in a tree on the roadside, but for some reason instead of
staying up there, down s/he flew, diagonally towards me. Hit the car's
antenna & when I looked in the rearview mirror, s/he was landing on the road
behind me. :-(

Cathy


>
>
>
>
>>
>> However to put this in perspective, 130 to 174 million bird deaths a year
>> occur due to power transmission lines, and 60 and 80 million birds
>> annually
>> are due to collisions with motor vehicles.
>>
>> So next time somebody advocates against windpower for this reason, ask
>> them
>> if they want to eliminate AC power and motor vehicles as well.
>
> I think that's the plan.
>
>

In article <gMidnYnOQ7U29zDYnZ2dnUVZ_veinZ2d@giganews.com>,
"Cathy F." <clfr@adelphiadot.net> wrote:

> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote in message
> news:Ppcrh.6824$q32.1395@trndny01...
> > On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 13:55:01 -0800, Bill Tuthill wrote:
> >
> >> Art <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >>> Actually thousands of birds are killed by energy wind farms. They must
> >>> be
> >>> carefully placed as to no upset migratory patterns. Either that or
> >>> someone
> >>> needs to come up with a means to keep the birds clear of the spinning
> >>> turbine blades.
> >>
> >> That number (thousands) is accurate. Actually 6400 outside California,
> >> so perhaps "tens of thousands" would be accurate.
> >> http://www.awea.org/faq/sagrillo/swbirds.html
> >
> >
> > "A 1986 study found that 69 million birds flew though the San Gorgonio
> > Pass during the Spring and Fall migrations. During both migrating
> > seasons, only 38 dead birds were found during that typical year,
> > representing only 0.00006% of the migrating population. "
> >
> > Seems fairly acceptable to me.
>
> I'm in favor of alternative energy, incl. wind farms. However, I also
> believe all aspects of their impact should be taken into account &
> engineered & placed in the least disruptive ways possible.
>
> > I've killed more birds driving...
>
> AFAIK, only one; it was a hawk, on the NYS Thruway many years ago. I saw
> him (her?) up in a tree on the roadside, but for some reason instead of
> staying up there, down s/he flew, diagonally towards me. Hit the car's
> antenna & when I looked in the rearview mirror, s/he was landing on the road
> behind me. :-(
>
> Cathy

I hate it when hawks or any other wildlife get hit by cars. The hawk
was only focused on prey, it never saw your car.



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> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> However to put this in perspective, 130 to 174 million bird deaths a year
> >> occur due to power transmission lines, and 60 and 80 million birds
> >> annually
> >> are due to collisions with motor vehicles.
> >>
> >> So next time somebody advocates against windpower for this reason, ask
> >> them
> >> if they want to eliminate AC power and motor vehicles as well.
> >
> > I think that's the plan.
> >
> >
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