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    Wickeddoll®
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    Default Another nail in GM's coffin, another gem in Toyota's crown

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16639567/

    I think a key comment in this article is that Toyota and its workers don't
    just rest on their laurels, but keep trying to make the product better.

    It shows.

    Natalie

    --


    "Wicked little doll, you are not human;
    wicked little doll, you have no soul."
    (David Byrne, 1997)





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    fish
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    Default Re: Another nail in GM's coffin, another gem in Toyota's crown

    Wickeddoll® respectfully points out that...

    > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16639567/
    >
    > I think a key comment in this article is that Toyota
    > and its workers don't just rest on their laurels, but
    > keep trying to make the product better.


    I am a bit nervous about buying my first Toyota.

    > It shows.


    Gee thanks!
    _________
    ===fish===
    ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯



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    C. E. White
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    Default Re: Another nail in GM's coffin, another gem in Toyota's crown


    "Wickeddoll®" <wickeddoll1958diespammersdie@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:eojcm4.1ug.1@news.evilcabal.org...
    > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16639567/
    >
    > I think a key comment in this article is that Toyota and its workers don't
    > just rest on their laurels, but keep trying to make the product better.
    >
    > It shows.
    >
    > Natalie


    Looks like a damage control article written by the Toyota PR department to
    me. Not all is so wonderful in Toyotaland -

    *Numerous articles have documented that Toyota quality is slipping.
    * Last year Toyota recalled more cars in the US than they sold new cars in
    the US.
    * Toyota canned several high level managers and stared an internal study to
    figure out why quality is slipping.
    * Many Toyota models are at or near the bottom of their classes in Insurance
    Industry injury loss ratings.
    * The new Tundra factory is late and over budget.
    * The new Tundra is late and is perceived to be too little too late.
    * Scion model sales dropped by 9% to 20% from December 2005 to December
    2006.
    * The "new" Camry is suffering from transmission problems .
    * There are numerous complaints about mysterious acceleration lags for both
    the Camry and new RAV4.

    Read the fluff, but take it with a grain of salt...

    Ed

    Is Toyotathon really an eleven month event - or does it just seem that way?



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    Wickeddoll®
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    Default Re: Another nail in GM's coffin, another gem in Toyota's crown


    "C. E. White" <cewhite@mindspring.com> wrote in message
    news:tdArh.15766$X72.5176@newsread3.news.pas.earth link.net...
    >
    > "Wickeddoll®" <wickeddoll1958diespammersdie@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    > news:eojcm4.1ug.1@news.evilcabal.org...
    >> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16639567/
    >>
    >> I think a key comment in this article is that Toyota and its workers
    >> don't just rest on their laurels, but keep trying to make the product
    >> better.
    >>
    >> It shows.
    >>
    >> Natalie

    >
    > Looks like a damage control article written by the Toyota PR department to
    > me. Not all is so wonderful in Toyotaland -
    >
    > *Numerous articles have documented that Toyota quality is slipping.


    Where? GM Monthly?

    > * Last year Toyota recalled more cars in the US than they sold new cars in
    > the US.


    But for what - bad cupholders? I haven't seen a serious recall of a Toyota
    in a very long time. You have proof?

    > * Toyota canned several high level managers and stared an internal study
    > to figure out why quality is slipping.


    You've just validated what I said earlier. They *keep trying to make the
    product better*, instead of just sitting on their laures as number one - the
    mistake GM so obviously made.

    > * Many Toyota models are at or near the bottom of their classes in
    > Insurance Industry injury loss ratings.


    I'll grant you that - most are small, and thus not as protective. But I'm
    philosophical about that; there will always be something bigger to flatten
    you, unless you're driving a semi.

    > * The new Tundra factory is late and over budget.
    > * The new Tundra is late and is perceived to be too little too late.


    Toyota's weakest point are larger vehicles. I've said that many times, if
    you've read my posts. If I were in the market for a large, gas-guzzling
    vehicle, I go domestic.

    > * Scion model sales dropped by 9% to 20% from December 2005 to December
    > 2006.


    That's cuz folks like my husband already bought them all. LOL Seriously,
    not all cars are going to be popular, so what does this prove? It doesn't
    damn the cars themselves, just means the public didn't take to them as well.
    So what?

    > * The "new" Camry is suffering from transmission problems .


    Like what ?

    > * There are numerous complaints about mysterious acceleration lags for
    > both the Camry and new RAV4.


    Show me, please?
    >
    > Read the fluff, but take it with a grain of salt...
    >
    > Ed
    >


    I'm afraid that's what I've done with most of your post. You present no
    proof, but make many allegations.

    Natalie



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    fish
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    Default Re: Another nail in GM's coffin, another gem in Toyota's crown

    Wickeddoll®

    >> * There are numerous complaints about
    >> mysterious acceleration lags for both the
    >> Camry and new RAV4.


    > Show me, please?


    >> Read the fluff, but take it with a grain of salt...


    > I'm afraid that's what I've done with most of your
    > post. You present no proof, but make many
    > allegations.


    From the month-long research marathon on my next vehicle, there is no way
    any of this "fluff" is real.
    _________
    ===fish===
    ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯



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    High Tech Misfit
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    Default Re: Another nail in GM's coffin, another gem in Toyota's crown

    Wickeddoll® wrote:

    >> Read the fluff, but take it with a grain of salt...
    >>
    >> Ed
    >>

    >
    > I'm afraid that's what I've done with most of your post. You present no
    > proof, but make many allegations.
    >
    > Natalie


    Please don't feed the trolls.

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    Wickeddoll®
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    Default Re: Another nail in GM's coffin, another gem in Toyota's crown


    "fish" <i.am.such.ah.fish@new.york> wrote in message
    news:YCArh.1751$R76.298@trnddc05...
    > Wickeddoll®
    >
    >>> * There are numerous complaints about
    >>> mysterious acceleration lags for both the
    >>> Camry and new RAV4.

    >
    >> Show me, please?

    >
    >>> Read the fluff, but take it with a grain of salt...

    >
    >> I'm afraid that's what I've done with most of your
    >> post. You present no proof, but make many
    >> allegations.

    >
    > From the month-long research marathon on my next vehicle, there is no way
    > any of this "fluff" is real.
    > _________
    > ===fish===
    > ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
    >

    Have you decided yet? Or have you even narrowed them down?

    Natalie



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    Wickeddoll®
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    Default Re: Another nail in GM's coffin, another gem in Toyota's crown


    "High Tech Misfit" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
    news:1aaxoljcoxsn7$.dlg@hightech.misfit...
    > Wickeddoll® wrote:
    >
    >>> Read the fluff, but take it with a grain of salt...
    >>>
    >>> Ed
    >>>

    >>
    >> I'm afraid that's what I've done with most of your post. You present no
    >> proof, but make many allegations.
    >>
    >> Natalie

    >
    > Please don't feed the trolls.


    Well, you know me - I like to hear all points of view. Even when they're
    dead wrong.

    :-)

    Natalie



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    Scott in Florida
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    Default Re: Another nail in GM's coffin, another gem in Toyota's crown

    On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 20:56:20 -0500, "Wickeddoll®"
    <wickeddoll1958diespammersdie@yahoo.com> wrote:

    >> * Many Toyota models are at or near the bottom of their classes in
    >> Insurance Industry injury loss ratings.

    >
    >I'll grant you that - most are small, and thus not as protective. But I'm
    >philosophical about that; there will always be something bigger to flatten
    >you, unless you're driving a semi.


    That is an EXCELLENT point!

    Everyone should drive like they are in a VW bug and imagine
    that everyone else is in an 18 wheeler.


    --

    Scott in Florida


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    Wickeddoll®
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    Default Re: Another nail in GM's coffin, another gem in Toyota's crown


    "Scott in Florida"
    "Wickeddoll®"
    > wrote:
    >
    >>> * Many Toyota models are at or near the bottom of their classes in
    >>> Insurance Industry injury loss ratings.

    >>
    >>I'll grant you that - most are small, and thus not as protective. But
    >>I'm
    >>philosophical about that; there will always be something bigger to
    >>flatten
    >>you, unless you're driving a semi.

    >
    > That is an EXCELLENT point!
    >
    > Everyone should drive like they are in a VW bug and imagine
    > that everyone else is in an 18 wheeler.
    >
    >
    > --
    >
    > Scott in Florida
    >


    I always do, no matter what I'm driving!

    Except, let's go with my Echo, instead of the bug - much more reliable.

    :-)

    Natalie



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