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    His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
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    NOTE: The original title of this was 'THE JOYS OF BIKE LANES,' but me,
    being a playful monkey, change it around:

    'THE JOYS OF BIKE RIDING ON SIDEWALK'

    Believe it or not, I was shocked to learn that many cyclists strongly
    oppose bike lanes. Must be the "lions" of the bicycle culture.

    On Jun 10, 10:47 am, Frank Krygowski <frkry...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > A video on the joys of bike lanes. (And on being ticketed for not
    > using one.)
    >
    > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzE-IMaegzQ


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k00bEZJ0-E

    It's not that I agree with it, but sometimes you gotta do what it
    takes to survive.

    One big issue I have against it is those drivers that ignore you
    coming out of driveways or blocking the pedestrian x-ing at
    intersections. Perhaps you should practice your BMX skills and jump
    over the car.

    The video says, "sidewalks are pedestrian deserts," which is true, but
    sometimes you find one that won't move. The real challenge is when
    both of you won't fit and must become a pedestrian yourself. Then you
    start wondering if bicycling is worth it after all.

    If you take it as "challenging path" though, you may start
    experiencing the "joys of riding on sidewalk."

    I'm back from one of those "joy rides"!


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    His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
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    PROPOSAL TO RENAME SIDEWALKS:

    The term sidewalk is old fashioned and means nothing. It actually may
    be discriminatory against cyclists. "Bikewalk" though means that both
    pedestrians and cyclists are welcomed and it's the politically correct
    term. Bike or Walk, whatever! And where are the pedestrians anyway? It
    must be someone who's too old to ride a bike, in which case he/she may
    be too old to cross the mean streets anyway. To be on the sidewalks --
    pardon the old discriminatory language-- you must be able to run. And
    what is a cyclist if not a pedestrian on wheels?

    "Political correctness (adjectivally, politically correct; both forms
    commonly abbreviated to PC) is a term which denotes language, ideas,
    policies, and behavior seen as seeking to minimize social and
    institutional offense in occupational, gender, racial, cultural,
    sexual orientation, certain other religions, beliefs or ideologies,
    disability, and age-related contexts, and doing so to an excessive
    extent."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness


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    His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
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    Default Re: Joys of riding bike on sidewalk

    On Jun 10, 10:22 pm, Miles Bader <mi...@gnu.org> wrote:
    > "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
    >
    > <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> writes:
    > > Believe it or not, I was shocked to learn that many cyclists strongly
    > > oppose bike lanes. Must be the "lions" of the bicycle culture.

    >
    > Shocked? Bicycle "advocacy" (like most "advocacy") is full of this
    > sort of stupid infighting....
    >
    > I imagine that people who "oppose bike lanes" actually do have a
    > somewhat more nuanced position (er, except the stupid ones, of
    > course), e.g., maybe they oppose half-hearted implementation of
    > bike-lanes where the details end up making bicycling more dangerous.
    > For instance, if the lanes are very fragmented, the requirement to
    > constantly merge back and forth into traffic may end up making things
    > more dangerous than simply riding in traffic the entire way...
    >
    > [I like bike lanes generally, especially when they're well-separated
    > (trees!), but I suppose crappy bike lanes are just that...]


    You just got the right wisdom. Bike lanes are not universal solutions
    but are absolutely necessary in some areas. One big problem we got
    around here is that we find the fragmented type that leaves you with
    no consistent routes. I do oppose that they are mandatory and I think
    two people should be able to ride abreast on the lane.

    Some of these "freedom" advocates are elitist riders who go over 20mph
    and want to include mundane practical cyclists in the same category.

    We want people to feel safe to go to the market without the need of
    winding and grinding sidewalks.


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    His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
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    On Jun 10, 11:54 pm, Miles Bader <mi...@gnu.org> wrote:
    > "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
    >
    > <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> writes:
    > > Some of these "freedom" advocates are elitist riders who go over 20mph
    > > and want to include mundane practical cyclists in the same category.

    >
    > Yes, I think that's a problem -- a significant proportion of vocal bike
    > advocates I've encountered seem to be fairly serious bicyclists. I
    > guess that's understandable (they care more than most people), but it's
    > inevitably going to result in a somewhat skewed perspective.
    >
    > The main beneficiaries of a bike-friendly environment, on the other
    > hand, are going to be casual users.
    >
    > -Miles


    Thank you, thank you. They think we should brave the roads the way
    they are...

    I rather think we need other strategies:

    1- TAMING TRAFFIC (it's not safe for drivers, how can it safe for
    cyclists?)

    2- GIVE VALUE TO CYCLISTS (yes, we are often treated like monkeys)

    3- BUILD BIKE FACILITIES (sometimes bike lanes, sometimes bike paths,
    sometimes shared lanes)

    We don't want to separate bike and cars by 3' and forget it... We need
    bike facilities or cyclists TAKE THE LANE. Two people certainly MUST
    take the lane.


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    Sharx3335
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    Default Re: Joys of riding bike on sidewalk

    Cyclists are MUCH more likely to be bums or deadbeats than are
    motorists. Most motorists have FAR more invested in their mode of
    transportation than do cyclists. Motorists, on the average, also
    pay far higher taxes, therefore are entitled to a privileged
    position on the roads.
























    "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
    <nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:f5d53423-69b8-44ac-a050-03f6248c3eec@j9g2000vbs.googlegroups.com...
    > On Jun 10, 11:54 pm, Miles Bader <mi...@gnu.org> wrote:
    >> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
    >>
    >> <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> writes:
    >> > Some of these "freedom" advocates are elitist riders who go
    >> > over 20mph
    >> > and want to include mundane practical cyclists in the same
    >> > category.

    >>
    >> Yes, I think that's a problem -- a significant proportion of
    >> vocal bike
    >> advocates I've encountered seem to be fairly serious bicyclists.
    >> I
    >> guess that's understandable (they care more than most people),
    >> but it's
    >> inevitably going to result in a somewhat skewed perspective.
    >>
    >> The main beneficiaries of a bike-friendly environment, on the
    >> other
    >> hand, are going to be casual users.
    >>
    >> -Miles

    >
    > Thank you, thank you. They think we should brave the roads the
    > way
    > they are...
    >
    > I rather think we need other strategies:
    >
    > 1- TAMING TRAFFIC (it's not safe for drivers, how can it safe for
    > cyclists?)
    >
    > 2- GIVE VALUE TO CYCLISTS (yes, we are often treated like
    > monkeys)
    >
    > 3- BUILD BIKE FACILITIES (sometimes bike lanes, sometimes bike
    > paths,
    > sometimes shared lanes)
    >
    > We don't want to separate bike and cars by 3' and forget it... We
    > need
    > bike facilities or cyclists TAKE THE LANE. Two people certainly
    > MUST
    > take the lane.
    >


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    His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
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    Default Re: Joys of riding bike on sidewalk

    On Jun 11, 5:22 pm, "Sharx3335" <sharx...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    > Cyclists are MUCH more likely to be bums or deadbeats than are
    > motorists. Most motorists have FAR more invested in their mode of
    > transportation than do cyclists. Motorists, on the average, also
    > pay far higher taxes, therefore are entitled to a privileged
    > position on the roads.


    I heard that argument before. But it runs counter to the DEMOCRATIC
    IDEAL.

    Actually if you applied it, PEDESTRIANS would have no sidewalks.
    That's a heavy drain for a nation.

    Hey, they are often nowhere to be found in the suburbs!

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    NotMe
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    "Sharx3335" <sharx335@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:it0mae$or4$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    > Cyclists are MUCH more likely to be bums or deadbeats than are motorists.
    > Most motorists have FAR more invested in their mode of transportation than
    > do cyclists. Motorists, on the average, also pay far higher taxes,
    > therefore are entitled to a privileged position on the roads.
    >


    Not in my experience. How many cyclist hock the farm in order to buy
    wheels?

    By your logic 18 wheelers should have unlimited use and the poor four/two
    wheel folk should sit on the side and let them ride. Hint: the vast
    majority of the damage and maintance of infrastructure is attributable to
    the loads place on them by the trucking industry.

    And no the tax revenue generated is not up to that load.




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    dbu,
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    Default Re: Joys of riding bike on sidewalk

    In article <it0mae$or4$1@speranza.aioe.org>,
    "Sharx3335" <sharx335@hotmail.com> wrote:

    > Cyclists are MUCH more likely to be bums or deadbeats than are
    > motorists. Most motorists have FAR more invested in their mode of
    > transportation than do cyclists. Motorists, on the average, also
    > pay far higher taxes, therefore are entitled to a privileged
    > position on the roads.


    It depends on the type of bike you see. If it's some old broken down
    50's schwinn then it most likely is a bum. However, if it's a nice and
    new $2000 plus carbon fiber frame bike then most likely it belongs to a
    liberal tree hugger and those you can just go ahead and ignore because
    they already are rich and deserve to pay higher taxes than the bum on
    the Schwinn.
    --


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    Conscience
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    On 2011-06-11 18:37:40 -0700, "dbu," <nospam@nobama.com.invalid> said:

    > In article <it0mae$or4$1@speranza.aioe.org>,
    > "Sharx3335" <sharx335@hotmail.com> wrote:
    >
    >> Cyclists are MUCH more likely to be bums or deadbeats than are
    >> motorists. Most motorists have FAR more invested in their mode of
    >> transportation than do cyclists. Motorists, on the average, also
    >> pay far higher taxes, therefore are entitled to a privileged
    >> position on the roads.

    >
    > It depends on the type of bike you see. If it's some old broken down
    > 50's schwinn then it most likely is a bum. However, if it's a nice and
    > new $2000 plus carbon fiber frame bike then most likely it belongs to a
    > liberal tree hugger and those you can just go ahead and ignore because
    > they already are rich and deserve to pay higher taxes than the bum on
    > the Schwinn.


    Now wait a minute. I'm no tree hugger, and I ride a 2007 Trek Pilot 5.2.

    http://www.trekbikes.com/images/bike...onplatinum.jpg


    And we won't talk about taxes. :-(

    --
    "You have not given me a technique for [detection of] tactic or
    behavior. Something that would suggest somebody is not Muslim, but
    Islamic. -- Janet Napolitano, not knowing their being synonymous, 2009


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    dbu,
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    Default Re: Joys of riding bike on sidewalk

    In article <it15nf$vh8$1@dont-email.me>,
    Conscience <obama.is@fraud.gov> wrote:

    > On 2011-06-11 18:37:40 -0700, "dbu," <nospam@nobama.com.invalid> said:
    >
    > > In article <it0mae$or4$1@speranza.aioe.org>,
    > > "Sharx3335" <sharx335@hotmail.com> wrote:
    > >
    > >> Cyclists are MUCH more likely to be bums or deadbeats than are
    > >> motorists. Most motorists have FAR more invested in their mode of
    > >> transportation than do cyclists. Motorists, on the average, also
    > >> pay far higher taxes, therefore are entitled to a privileged
    > >> position on the roads.

    > >
    > > It depends on the type of bike you see. If it's some old broken down
    > > 50's schwinn then it most likely is a bum. However, if it's a nice and
    > > new $2000 plus carbon fiber frame bike then most likely it belongs to a
    > > liberal tree hugger and those you can just go ahead and ignore because
    > > they already are rich and deserve to pay higher taxes than the bum on
    > > the Schwinn.

    >
    > Now wait a minute. I'm no tree hugger, and I ride a 2007 Trek Pilot 5.2.
    >
    > http://www.trekbikes.com/images/bike...onplatinum.jpg
    >
    >
    > And we won't talk about taxes. :-(


    LOL!! I couldn't help myself. Note, no response from the major or any
    of his minions.

    I ride a Miyata SixFifteen, touring bike,
    (<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miyata>), triple-butted chrom-molly with
    a triple chain ring and braze-on shifters. It is dated, but a solid
    good riding bike. I also own a Trek 650. I just sold my two Cannondale
    racers last year.

    I'll google that Trek Pilot. Is that road bike? Never mind I just
    looked. Nice bike. I think I could like a very light weight carbon
    fiber framed bike.
    --


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