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    His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, a Voice from the Wilderness
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    On Jan 18, 11:51*am, Tim <8.tim.har...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > hey monkey... is it technically killing them if they run under the
    > downward step?
    >
    > Tim


    No, that's like driving an SUV and crushing a cyclist. It's just an
    accident. Can the world live without cyclists? Yes it can if you
    believe in predatory capitalism.

    Anyway, not only I want to parade my new moniker, but I want to state
    that the poor of the world should be known as the roaches. That
    includes me, of course, in my infinite modesty.

    There's a guy out there researching ants and comparing them to humans
    (in terms of cooperation) but the roach is not exactly a cooperative
    insect. At one point in history the poor hoped that by sticking
    together they could create a more just society, but many experiments
    went wrong. Communism is no more. Even socialism is under attack.
    Globalization is in.

    These are the origins of the roach, in case you want to know more
    about the insect in question...

    http://getreadyportland.com/app/scie...cockroaches-3/

    The hope of humans behaving like ants is over. Welcome to the roach
    world of the poor.

    But that's only my humble opinion.


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    His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, a Voice from the Wilderness
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    On Jan 19, 8:46 am, "{:-])))" <being@.... --- -- .> wrote:
    > Craig <gnar...@gnorkyl.com> wrote:
    > >On 1/8/2013 8:34 AM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Beach Cruiser
    > >Philosopher wrote:
    > >> Do you feel compassion, empathy? Do you feel good or proud? Do you
    > >> often feel that such creatures were made by God for a purpose? You
    > >> like to fumigate? Do you consider yourself a mass murderer?

    >
    > >> If you read Kafka you know this is more than a hypothetical question.
    > >> It's how others think about you. I get that feeling when I'm riding a
    > >> bike. Coming out of the darkness and roaming around in the light is
    > >> such a risky enterprise.

    >
    > >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------

    >
    > >>http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION

    >
    > > Need to keep a dirtier house I guess.

    >
    > We used to be regularly invaded by ants.
    > I'd try to not kill too many outside the house.
    > Eventually I found it advisable to push my territory
    > far enough from the walls to keep them outside.
    > Lately they've not invaded the inner sanctum.
    >
    > I'd feel compassion, empathy, good, bad, proud, sad.
    > I do consider myself to be a mass murderer. I do not
    > like to fumigate. I don't hold a strong view about God
    > making ants for a purpose, but do understand that the
    > decomposers can be seen as serving a purpose.
    >
    > I've not read Kafka.
    >
    > I never got any paranoid feelings on a bike.
    > Riding has its risks that go with the territory.
    >
    > When a helmet law was passed I quit riding.


    You sound like a very reasonable person, so you must understand that
    riding a bike or walking makes you a roach. Having no space of your
    own, you must fight for survival.

    It doesn't help that we seem to be "crawling" in a world populated by
    fast predators. You make a dash out of your hole and pray for the
    best. I don't pray but you get the idea.

    Assuming our own insignificance helps lower our expectations. Yes, I
    am a roach.


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    Dnk 42
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    On Fri, 18 Jan 2013 14:49:06 -0800, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, a
    Voice from the Wilderness wrote:

    > On Jan 18, 11:51*am, Tim <8.tim.har...@gmail.com> wrote:
    >> hey monkey... is it technically killing them if they run under the
    >> downward step?
    >>
    >> Tim

    >
    > No, that's like driving an SUV and crushing a cyclist. It's just an
    > accident. Can the world live without cyclists? Yes it can if you believe
    > in predatory capitalism.


    Since you mention capitalism, it should be noted that public roads are
    built to facilitate commerce, by enabling the transport of goods from
    point A to point B using large petrol-powered vehicles. Those vehicles
    and their fuel are taxed to pay for the roads' maintenance. Bicycles are
    not subject to those taxes, meaning they get to use the roads for free.

    Ideally, every city would have a network of bike paths, completely
    separated from vehicle roads. But this costs money, and if automobile
    drivers are required to pay to build and maintain the roads they use,
    bicycle riders should be expected to pay for the bike paths they use.
    Since bicycles consume no fuel that can be taxed, this leaves a hefty
    registration fee as the only option.

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    MattB
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    On Sat, 19 Jan 2013 13:07:49 -0600, Dnk 42 <dank@kgb.org> wrote:

    >On Fri, 18 Jan 2013 14:49:06 -0800, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, a
    >Voice from the Wilderness wrote:
    >
    >> On Jan 18, 11:51*am, Tim <8.tim.har...@gmail.com> wrote:
    >>> hey monkey... is it technically killing them if they run under the
    >>> downward step?
    >>>
    >>> Tim

    >>
    >> No, that's like driving an SUV and crushing a cyclist. It's just an
    >> accident. Can the world live without cyclists? Yes it can if you believe
    >> in predatory capitalism.

    >
    >Since you mention capitalism, it should be noted that public roads are
    >built to facilitate commerce, by enabling the transport of goods from
    >point A to point B using large petrol-powered vehicles. Those vehicles
    >and their fuel are taxed to pay for the roads' maintenance. Bicycles are
    >not subject to those taxes, meaning they get to use the roads for free.
    >
    >Ideally, every city would have a network of bike paths, completely
    >separated from vehicle roads. But this costs money, and if automobile
    >drivers are required to pay to build and maintain the roads they use,
    >bicycle riders should be expected to pay for the bike paths they use.
    >Since bicycles consume no fuel that can be taxed, this leaves a hefty
    >registration fee as the only option.



    This is something they are looking into.

    Washington state proposal would tax drivers by the mile

    http://www.spokesman.com/stories/201...s-by-the-mile/

    SEATTLE Facing steep declines in gas-tax revenues that pay for road
    repairs, Washington state is exploring a creative solution: charging
    drivers by the mile to use state highways and roads.

    A committee of transportation experts recently concluded its feasible
    to move the state away from gasoline taxes to a pay as you go road
    fee system for transportation.

    ******************

    Not sure how I feel about this as I live up in the mountains.

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    Jeff Strickland
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    "MattB" <trdell1234@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:qmslf81kt3ch2ileappo829220o1f3lkhr@4ax.com...
    > On Sat, 19 Jan 2013 13:07:49 -0600, Dnk 42 <dank@kgb.org> wrote:
    >
    >>On Fri, 18 Jan 2013 14:49:06 -0800, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, a
    >>Voice from the Wilderness wrote:
    >>
    >>> On Jan 18, 11:51 am, Tim <8.tim.har...@gmail.com> wrote:
    >>>> hey monkey... is it technically killing them if they run under the
    >>>> downward step?
    >>>>
    >>>> Tim
    >>>
    >>> No, that's like driving an SUV and crushing a cyclist. It's just an
    >>> accident. Can the world live without cyclists? Yes it can if you believe
    >>> in predatory capitalism.

    >>
    >>Since you mention capitalism, it should be noted that public roads are
    >>built to facilitate commerce, by enabling the transport of goods from
    >>point A to point B using large petrol-powered vehicles. Those vehicles
    >>and their fuel are taxed to pay for the roads' maintenance. Bicycles are
    >>not subject to those taxes, meaning they get to use the roads for free.
    >>
    >>Ideally, every city would have a network of bike paths, completely
    >>separated from vehicle roads. But this costs money, and if automobile
    >>drivers are required to pay to build and maintain the roads they use,
    >>bicycle riders should be expected to pay for the bike paths they use.
    >>Since bicycles consume no fuel that can be taxed, this leaves a hefty
    >>registration fee as the only option.

    >
    >
    > This is something they are looking into.
    >
    > Washington state proposal would tax drivers by the mile
    >
    > http://www.spokesman.com/stories/201...s-by-the-mile/
    >
    > SEATTLE Facing steep declines in gas-tax revenues that pay for road
    > repairs, Washington state is exploring a creative solution: charging
    > drivers by the mile to use state highways and roads.
    >
    > A committee of transportation experts recently concluded its feasible
    > to move the state away from gasoline taxes to a pay as you go road
    > fee system for transportation.
    >
    > ******************
    >
    > Not sure how I feel about this as I live up in the mountains.



    If TibetanMonkeyRider drove an SUV, he would pay enough in gas taxes to fund
    the bike lane he rides in.

    The problem that Washington State has run into is that the urban dwellers in
    the state drive hybrid or all electric cars, and don't buy gasoline at the
    rates they once did. The lower gasoline consumption rates mean fewer gas
    taxes collected, and this is a problem for the state.

    The solution is Big Brother. They want to put a GPS on the cars to track the
    miles they go, then charge a tax based on the distance driven.



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    MattB
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    On Sat, 19 Jan 2013 13:15:15 -0800, "Jeff Strickland"
    <crwlrjeff@yahoo.com> wrote:

    >
    >"MattB" <trdell1234@gmail.com> wrote in message
    >news:qmslf81kt3ch2ileappo829220o1f3lkhr@4ax.com.. .
    >> On Sat, 19 Jan 2013 13:07:49 -0600, Dnk 42 <dank@kgb.org> wrote:
    >>
    >>>On Fri, 18 Jan 2013 14:49:06 -0800, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, a
    >>>Voice from the Wilderness wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> On Jan 18, 11:51 am, Tim <8.tim.har...@gmail.com> wrote:
    >>>>> hey monkey... is it technically killing them if they run under the
    >>>>> downward step?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Tim
    >>>>
    >>>> No, that's like driving an SUV and crushing a cyclist. It's just an
    >>>> accident. Can the world live without cyclists? Yes it can if you believe
    >>>> in predatory capitalism.
    >>>
    >>>Since you mention capitalism, it should be noted that public roads are
    >>>built to facilitate commerce, by enabling the transport of goods from
    >>>point A to point B using large petrol-powered vehicles. Those vehicles
    >>>and their fuel are taxed to pay for the roads' maintenance. Bicycles are
    >>>not subject to those taxes, meaning they get to use the roads for free.
    >>>
    >>>Ideally, every city would have a network of bike paths, completely
    >>>separated from vehicle roads. But this costs money, and if automobile
    >>>drivers are required to pay to build and maintain the roads they use,
    >>>bicycle riders should be expected to pay for the bike paths they use.
    >>>Since bicycles consume no fuel that can be taxed, this leaves a hefty
    >>>registration fee as the only option.

    >>
    >>
    >> This is something they are looking into.
    >>
    >> Washington state proposal would tax drivers by the mile
    >>
    >> http://www.spokesman.com/stories/201...s-by-the-mile/
    >>
    >> SEATTLE Facing steep declines in gas-tax revenues that pay for road
    >> repairs, Washington state is exploring a creative solution: charging
    >> drivers by the mile to use state highways and roads.
    >>
    >> A committee of transportation experts recently concluded its feasible
    >> to move the state away from gasoline taxes to a pay as you go road
    >> fee system for transportation.
    >>
    >> ******************
    >>
    >> Not sure how I feel about this as I live up in the mountains.

    >
    >
    >If TibetanMonkeyRider drove an SUV, he would pay enough in gas taxes to fund
    >the bike lane he rides in.
    >
    >The problem that Washington State has run into is that the urban dwellers in
    >the state drive hybrid or all electric cars, and don't buy gasoline at the
    >rates they once did. The lower gasoline consumption rates mean fewer gas
    >taxes collected, and this is a problem for the state.


    So very true. This is a very green State. Think they charge electric
    now or are talking about it.

    >
    >The solution is Big Brother. They want to put a GPS on the cars to track the
    >miles they go, then charge a tax based on the distance driven.


    I know they'd love that.

    About a round 60 mile trip to the nearest major town.


    >



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    His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, a Voice from the Wilderness
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    On Jan 19, 2:07*pm, Dnk 42 <d...@kgb.org> wrote:
    > On Fri, 18 Jan 2013 14:49:06 -0800, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, a
    > Voice from the Wilderness wrote:
    >
    > > On Jan 18, 11:51*am, Tim <8.tim.har...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > >> hey monkey... is it technically killing them if they run under the
    > >> downward step?

    >
    > >> Tim

    >
    > > No, that's like driving an SUV and crushing a cyclist. It's just an
    > > accident. Can the world live without cyclists? Yes it can if you believe
    > > in predatory capitalism.

    >
    > Since you mention capitalism, it should be noted that public roads are
    > built to facilitate commerce, by enabling the transport of goods from
    > point A to point B using large petrol-powered vehicles. *Those vehicles
    > and their fuel are taxed to pay for the roads' maintenance. *Bicycles are
    > not subject to those taxes, meaning they get to use the roads for free.
    >
    > Ideally, every city would have a network of bike paths, completely
    > separated from vehicle roads. *But this costs money, and if automobile
    > drivers are required to pay to build and maintain the roads they use,
    > bicycle riders should be expected to pay for the bike paths they use.
    > Since bicycles consume no fuel that can be taxed, this leaves a hefty
    > registration fee as the only option.


    You want to tax pedestrians as well? Is that the reason many cities
    don't have sidewalks at all?

    How about us cyclists taking advantage of the same roads without
    costing a penny? Is our crawl too slow for drivers? Are we less human?
    Less consummers perhaps?

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    His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, a Voice from the Wilderness
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    On Jan 19, 4:15*pm, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrj...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    > "MattB" <trdell1...@gmail.com> wrote in message
    >
    > news:qmslf81kt3ch2ileappo829220o1f3lkhr@4ax.com...
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > > On Sat, 19 Jan 2013 13:07:49 -0600, Dnk 42 <d...@kgb.org> wrote:

    >
    > >>On Fri, 18 Jan 2013 14:49:06 -0800, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, a
    > >>Voice from the Wilderness wrote:

    >
    > >>> On Jan 18, 11:51 am, Tim <8.tim.har...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > >>>> hey monkey... is it technically killing them if they run under the
    > >>>> downward step?

    >
    > >>>> Tim

    >
    > >>> No, that's like driving an SUV and crushing a cyclist. It's just an
    > >>> accident. Can the world live without cyclists? Yes it can if you believe
    > >>> in predatory capitalism.

    >
    > >>Since you mention capitalism, it should be noted that public roads are
    > >>built to facilitate commerce, by enabling the transport of goods from
    > >>point A to point B using large petrol-powered vehicles. *Those vehicles
    > >>and their fuel are taxed to pay for the roads' maintenance. *Bicyclesare
    > >>not subject to those taxes, meaning they get to use the roads for free.

    >
    > >>Ideally, every city would have a network of bike paths, completely
    > >>separated from vehicle roads. *But this costs money, and if automobile
    > >>drivers are required to pay to build and maintain the roads they use,
    > >>bicycle riders should be expected to pay for the bike paths they use.
    > >>Since bicycles consume no fuel that can be taxed, this leaves a hefty
    > >>registration fee as the only option.

    >
    > > This is something they are looking into.

    >
    > > Washington state proposal would tax drivers by the mile

    >
    > >http://www.spokesman.com/stories/201...ould-tax-drive...

    >
    > > SEATTLE Facing steep declines in gas-tax revenues that pay for road
    > > repairs, Washington state is exploring a creative solution: charging
    > > drivers by the mile to use state highways and roads.

    >
    > > A committee of transportation experts recently concluded its feasible
    > > to move the state away from gasoline taxes to a pay as you go road
    > > fee system for transportation.

    >
    > > ******************

    >
    > > Not sure how I feel about this as I live up in the mountains.

    >
    > If TibetanMonkeyRider drove an SUV, he would pay enough in gas taxes to fund
    > the bike lane he rides in.


    It's not about paying for a bike lane, it's paying for all the
    corruption out there that is driving the country bankrupt.

    "Corruption is eating all that debt. I know it goes to pay things we
    don't need while the things we need go without attention. Street
    beautification is a waste while cleaning up the crap lying around is a
    necessity."

    http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily...124119100.html


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    His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
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    On Jan 20, 7:52*am, Craig <gnar...@gnorkyl.com> wrote:

    > * * * * Do you have a magnifying glass?
    > * * * * Even have a deus irae moment?


    Yes, I have magnifying glass and binoculars. I can investigate the
    very small world and the very far world. The small world is often
    amazing, perhaps more interesting than the very far. Now I got a pair
    of binoculars that can focus as close as 4 feet, which means I can see
    the insects and plants. The spider is perhaps the best insect to
    associate with a used car salesman. You walk in there and you ain't
    coming out without a big debt. Why the poor isn't happy riding a bike?
    Well, that's where predatory capitalism kicks in. You feel threatened
    and intimidated, and you can't afford to get hurt.

    After I lower my expectations though I don't ride far and wide. I just
    stay in this mile long beach path observing the ocean and the people.
    Let me tell you, many of them are funny. They are prosperous but they
    are miserable. All they got is this fancy path as if that would make
    them happy. But they are not happy. They can't be happy.

    I've been struggling with my identity as an insect but I think I'm
    quite happy being the most humble. I'm happy now, really happy.


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    His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
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    On Jan 20, 4:54*pm, RichAsianKid <RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    > On 19/01/2013 9:37 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, a Voice from
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > the Wilderness wrote:
    > > On Jan 19, 6:55 pm, RichAsianKid <RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    > >> On 18/01/2013 12:31 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, a Voice

    >
    > >> from the Wilderness wrote:
    > >>> On Jan 18, 11:51 am, Tim <8.tim.har...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > >>>> hey monkey... is it technically killing them if they run under the
    > >>>> downward step?

    >
    > >>>> Tim

    >
    > >>> No, that's like driving an SUV and crushing a cyclist. It's just an
    > >>> accident. Can the world live without cyclists? Yes it can if you
    > >>> believe in predatory capitalism.

    >
    > >>> Anyway, not only I want to parade my new moniker, but I want to state
    > >>> that the poor of the world should be known as the roaches. That
    > >>> includes me, of course, in my infinite modesty.

    >
    > >>> There's a guy out there researching ants and comparing them to humans
    > >>> (in terms of cooperation) but the roach is not exactly a cooperative
    > >>> insect. At one point in history the poor hoped that by sticking
    > >>> together they could create a more just society, but many experiments
    > >>> went wrong. Communism is no more. Even socialism is under attack.
    > >>> Globalization is in.

    >
    > >>> These are the origins of the roach, in case you want to know more
    > >>> about the insect in question...

    >
    > >>>http://getreadyportland.com/app/scie...ny-ancestor-of....

    >
    > >>> The hope of humans behaving like ants is over. Welcome to the roach
    > >>> world of the poor.

    >
    > >>> But that's only my humble opinion.

    >
    > >> It was a couple decades ago entomologist EO Wilson who understood some
    > >> sort of collectivism is not necessarily bad concept; he also recognized
    > >> it was the wrong species it had been applied to.

    >
    > > Right. Perhaps a mix of competition and cooperation is the way to go.

    >
    > Nationalism and racialism fit your prerequisites perfectly...in fact,
    > it's recurrent fact & feature of human history. They should not be bad
    > words.


    What's racialism?

    I think democracy can work under perfect conditions but not when
    politics becomes a horse race. It dictates if things under discussion
    are relevant to the welfare of the people or not. Also when corruption
    swallows the biggest chunk of the budget we can say that system
    doesn't work.

    Democracy becomes a placebo pill.


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