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Old 02-16-2007, 02:26 PM
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Default Re: People who claim 'they could build a 400mpg Hybrid' amuse me.

In article <1171452408.323940.77550@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups. com>,
SFTVratings_troy@yahoo.com wrote:

> Not so much because of the statement, but because they don't have any
> math to back-up said statement. Might as well say, "If I flap my arms
> real hard, I could fly." Yeah. Sure. If it WERE possible to build a
> 400MPG civic or Prius, Honda or Toyota or Ford would would already be
> doing it (and bragging about it on the television).
>
>
>
> There are limits the universe places on Energy-to-Motion conversion.
> You can't exceed those limits. That means NO civic hybrid or prius
> hybrid will ever get 400 mpg. As it stands now, both these hybrids
> are already operating at 40% efficiency. Even if you increased that
> to 60% (a miracle), you'd still only boost them from 50 to 60mpg.
>
> And if you're a wizard like Gandalf who can magically boost a Prius
> engine to 100%, such that you had a perfect 1-to-1 conversion w/o
> losses, that's still only 125mpg.
>
> In other words, "a 400mpg prius" is not only a bad idea.
> It violates the Laws of the universe.
> It's perpetual motion.
> Impossible.
>
> Now if you leave behind the "standard" car shape, and try something
> exotic life a Jetsons-car, then you might be able to do better.
> Volkswagen did exactly that a few years ago, with a 1-seat car, 8
> horsepower engine, and shaped like a cigar.
>
> But even then, they still only got 250 miles per gallon.

I'll bet the university engineers could do it with a 200 lb. 2 ft. high
car.
In fact they've gone way beyond that without hybrid technology, which
does nothing for steady highway driving.
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Old 02-19-2007, 09:15 PM
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Default Re: People who claim 'they could build a 400mpg Hybrid' amuse me.

On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 06:41:43 GMT, Just Facts <Jfact@intnet.wrld>
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>I'll bet the university engineers could do it with a 200 lb. 2 ft. high
>car.


I was going to suggest something about 200 times smaller, or maybe a
(small) pumpkin pulled by white mice who could probably go just about
400 miles on a gallon of Nutrisystems before dropping dead, but not
before California gave them clearance to use the carpool lanes!

J.



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