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I don't know why this guy hates Toyota so much?!?!


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wowdog wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv4kGXwe4mE&NR
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> I don't know why this guy hates Toyota so much?!?!
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He (Titus) is a shill for Ford. It is unfortunate that his presentation
comes across as unprofessional and petty. The video could have been
produced to get Ford's message across in a more convincing manner. I'm
certain that Ford is extremely concerned with the percent of market
share that the Tundra will extract from the F150 buyers. Their next fear
will be if a Japanese auto company steps into producing a specification
to compete with their Super Duty line. In all cases and especially in
the long run, the market customers will decide, and competition benefits
the customer. IMHO.

I can't imagine Ford paid for that crap. If so they should be ashamed.
They are stooping to Toyota's level. It is as bad as those ridiculous
Tundra ads that compared the old Tundra to the F150.

I think the constant comments that "Toyota doesn't understand truck
buyers" was silly. I think Toyota understands toy trucker buyers
pretty well. Most trucks in the F150 class aren't bought by people who
need trucks, they are bought by people who want a truck, but only
really need a car. For them the fact that the new Tundra is a second
rate truck is completely irrelevant. The weak frame and rear
suspension isn't a problem. The biggest load they'll ever carry is
cooler. The appearance of "toughness" is all that matters.

Ed

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What makes your think he hates Toyota? He is simply pointing out the
obvious. The Tundra is a second rate truck compared to what GM, Ford and
Dodge have to offer and for less money.


mike


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There is not question competition is good for the breed, but the Tundra does
not compare to other trucks currently on the market in its price range.



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> wowdog wrote:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv4kGXwe4mE&NR
>>
>>
>> I don't know why this guy hates Toyota so much?!?!
>>
>>
> He (Titus) is a shill for Ford. It is unfortunate that his presentation
> comes across as unprofessional and petty. The video could have been
> produced to get Ford's message across in a more convincing manner. I'm
> certain that Ford is extremely concerned with the percent of market share
> that the Tundra will extract from the F150 buyers. Their next fear will be
> if a Japanese auto company steps into producing a specification to compete
> with their Super Duty line. In all cases and especially in the long run,
> the market customers will decide, and competition benefits the customer.
> IMHO.

Ride in an older model Toyota or Dodge truck, listen to the squeaks and
rattles, it soon become apparent that the 'toughness' IS important in a
truck

mike


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>I can't imagine Ford paid for that crap. If so they should be ashamed. They
>are stooping to Toyota's level. It is as bad as those ridiculous Tundra ads
>that compared the old Tundra to the F150.
>
> I think the constant comments that "Toyota doesn't understand truck
> buyers" was silly. I think Toyota understands toy trucker buyers pretty
> well. Most trucks in the F150 class aren't bought by people who need
> trucks, they are bought by people who want a truck, but only really need a
> car. For them the fact that the new Tundra is a second rate truck is
> completely irrelevant. The weak frame and rear suspension isn't a problem.
> The biggest load they'll ever carry is cooler. The appearance of
> "toughness" is all that matters.
>
> Ed
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>> I don't know why this guy hates Toyota so much?!?!
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> What makes your think he hates Toyota? He is simply pointing out the
> obvious. The Tundra is a second rate truck compared to what GM, Ford and
> Dodge have to offer and for less money.
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> mike
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Small minded people tend to hate what they don't understand.

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
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> Ride in an older model Toyota or Dodge truck, listen to the squeaks
> and rattles, it soon become apparent that the 'toughness' IS
> important in a truck
>
> mike

I have my own toughness test - my 17 year old son. So far only two
vehicles have passed - 1999 Ford Ranger and a 2006 Ford Mustang.
Failed vehicles - 2003 Saturn Vue, 1997 Pontiac Firebird, 1992 F150 -
although both the Firebird and F150 had many miles at the time they
failed the test. The F150 failure only cost a few hundred dollars. The
Firebird's was terminal. The Vue's failure was partially covered by
warranty, but hideously expensive - after it was mobile again I got
rid of it. I won't let him touch my Frontier - I can't afford another
new truck this year and I don't think the Frontier would last long
with him driving. Apparently the Mustang is bullet proof. He has put
more miles on it than all the other vehicle combined and the only
"failure" was a destroyed rear tire. I can't really blame that on
Ford. Then again, as far as I know he hasn't taken the Mustang off
road....

I wonder if I can get Toyota to lend me a Tundra for him to test.
Might make for an interesting experiment.

Ed

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
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> There is not question competition is good for the breed, but the Tundra
> does not compare to other trucks currently on the market in its price
> range.

Can you be specific? I just compared similarly priced Tudra and F150 (4x4,
small V8, regular cab), and found they they had similar performance, similar
towing, similar payload and similar price. I would bet the take home price
is cheaper for F150 because the dealer would give a bigger discount.

All of the reviews that I have read suggests that Toyota did a good job in
designing the truck, such as this summary from Car and Driver: "The Bottom
Line: We have yet to put this giant through its formal test paces, and there
is much to learn in the months ahead. But assessed in terms of Toyota's
goal-a big job truck to be taken seriously by guys who actually put their
rigs to work (Toyota calls them "True Truckers")-we have to say mission
accomplished."

Can you please provide the details when a similar Tundra and Ford are
compared?

Jeff

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> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:eo6dnWCypbA6cnvYnZ2dnUVZ_r6vnZ2d@ptd.net...
>> Ride in an older model Toyota or Dodge truck, listen to the squeaks and
>> rattles, it soon become apparent that the 'toughness' IS important in a
>> truck
>>
>> mike
>
> I have my own toughness test - my 17 year old son. So far only two
> vehicles have passed - 1999 Ford Ranger and a 2006 Ford Mustang. Failed
> vehicles - 2003 Saturn Vue, 1997 Pontiac Firebird, 1992 F150 - although
> both the Firebird and F150 had many miles at the time they failed the
> test. The F150 failure only cost a few hundred dollars. The Firebird's was
> terminal. The Vue's failure was partially covered by warranty, but
> hideously expensive - after it was mobile again I got rid of it. I won't
> let him touch my Frontier - I can't afford another new truck this year and
> I don't think the Frontier would last long with him driving. Apparently
> the Mustang is bullet proof. He has put more miles on it than all the
> other vehicle combined and the only "failure" was a destroyed rear tire. I
> can't really blame that on Ford. Then again, as far as I know he hasn't
> taken the Mustang off road....

The only question I have is why you would have to pay for a new truck if he
got his hands on your Frontier.

I believe in natural consequences. If a child runs into a wall, he soon
learns that it hurts and stops running into the wall.

The natural consequence of being rough with a Vue is that he pays for the
repairs, not you. He will learn not to be rough with vehicles or learn to
get a 2nd job.

Jeff

> I wonder if I can get Toyota to lend me a Tundra for him to test. Might
> make for an interesting experiment.
>
> Ed
>