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    johnyang97@gmail.com
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    Default ? cost to do timing belt and water pump at dealer on '97 Camry 2.2?

    Hi everyone,
    My brother is moving to Los Angeles and we need to replace the timing
    belt and water pump on our '97 Camry 2.2 that has 70k miles. We're
    shipping it from NJ to California. I'm trying to figure out where to
    get it done.

    I called a couple Toyota dealerships in the LA area to get an
    estimate and here's what they told me:

    Miller Toyota has a $169 timing belt special on their website. When I
    called the service department though, they said "$680 for timing belt
    and water pump replacement. It's 6 hours labor." They also said that
    replacing the drive belts at the same time is "an additional 2 hours
    labor" on top of the $680 (though I'm aware in actuality it's not an
    extra 2 hours labor on top of the timing belt/water pump job). What
    they said doesn't sound very honest, so I will not be calling them
    again... The gentleman I spoke to on the phone told me to go look for
    him by name when I go to the service dept so that he can "give me a
    good deal." There must be some sort of commission factored into
    salaries there, for him to be quoting $800+ for timing belt/water pump/
    drive belts...

    Carson Toyota in LA said $195 for timing belt replacement, $127 labor
    for water pump replacement, plus parts cost for a water pump. The
    parts dept told me $100.95 parts cost for a water pump. They said
    that they would replace drive belts at no additional labor and also
    recommended changing the thermostat.

    Another option is that my dad has a trusted mechanic who said he would
    do the job for about $312 labor plus parts. He said we're free to
    supply our own OEM parts. After speaking to the dealership today that
    is quoting 8 hours labor for the job, I'm tempted to go with the route
    of my dad's mechanic. In that case, which parts should I order for
    the job? At the minimum I need:
    Timing belt $27
    Water pump $77 (parts from exas Toyota of Grapevine, have bought from
    them before, great service)
    water pump gasket
    thermostat
    drive belts
    Are there also "camshaft seals" or "crankshaft seals" that should be
    replaced at the same time?

    I am fine with the prices quoted from Carson Toyota, but after what I
    heard from Miller Toyota, I'm afraid of my non-car-savvy brother going
    to the service dept by himself and then ending up with a bill much
    higher than what was quoted. Or can I be reasonably confident that
    the price you get from the service dept on the phone is usually close
    to your actual bill?

    Appreciate your thoughts,
    John




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    Scott in Florida
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    On 14 Apr 2007 15:16:05 -0700, johnyang97@gmail.com wrote:

    >Hi everyone,
    >My brother is moving to Los Angeles and we need to replace the timing
    >belt and water pump on our '97 Camry 2.2 that has 70k miles. We're
    >shipping it from NJ to California. I'm trying to figure out where to
    >get it done.
    >
    >I called a couple Toyota dealerships in the LA area to get an
    >estimate and here's what they told me:
    >
    >Miller Toyota has a $169 timing belt special on their website. When I
    >called the service department though, they said "$680 for timing belt
    >and water pump replacement. It's 6 hours labor." They also said that
    >replacing the drive belts at the same time is "an additional 2 hours
    >labor" on top of the $680 (though I'm aware in actuality it's not an
    >extra 2 hours labor on top of the timing belt/water pump job). What
    >they said doesn't sound very honest, so I will not be calling them
    >again... The gentleman I spoke to on the phone told me to go look for
    >him by name when I go to the service dept so that he can "give me a
    >good deal." There must be some sort of commission factored into
    >salaries there, for him to be quoting $800+ for timing belt/water pump/
    >drive belts...
    >
    >Carson Toyota in LA said $195 for timing belt replacement, $127 labor
    >for water pump replacement, plus parts cost for a water pump. The
    >parts dept told me $100.95 parts cost for a water pump. They said
    >that they would replace drive belts at no additional labor and also
    >recommended changing the thermostat.
    >
    >Another option is that my dad has a trusted mechanic who said he would
    >do the job for about $312 labor plus parts. He said we're free to
    >supply our own OEM parts. After speaking to the dealership today that
    >is quoting 8 hours labor for the job, I'm tempted to go with the route
    >of my dad's mechanic. In that case, which parts should I order for
    >the job? At the minimum I need:
    >Timing belt $27
    >Water pump $77 (parts from exas Toyota of Grapevine, have bought from
    >them before, great service)
    >water pump gasket
    >thermostat
    >drive belts
    >Are there also "camshaft seals" or "crankshaft seals" that should be
    >replaced at the same time?
    >
    >I am fine with the prices quoted from Carson Toyota, but after what I
    >heard from Miller Toyota, I'm afraid of my non-car-savvy brother going
    >to the service dept by himself and then ending up with a bill much
    >higher than what was quoted. Or can I be reasonably confident that
    >the price you get from the service dept on the phone is usually close
    >to your actual bill?
    >
    >Appreciate your thoughts,
    >John


    One place I'd never go would be Miller....LOL

    --

    Scott in Florida




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    Ray O
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    <johnyang97@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:1176588965.545424.180200@w1g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com...
    > Hi everyone,
    > My brother is moving to Los Angeles and we need to replace the timing
    > belt and water pump on our '97 Camry 2.2 that has 70k miles. We're
    > shipping it from NJ to California. I'm trying to figure out where to
    > get it done.
    >
    > I called a couple Toyota dealerships in the LA area to get an
    > estimate and here's what they told me:
    >
    > Miller Toyota has a $169 timing belt special on their website. When I
    > called the service department though, they said "$680 for timing belt
    > and water pump replacement. It's 6 hours labor." They also said that
    > replacing the drive belts at the same time is "an additional 2 hours
    > labor" on top of the $680 (though I'm aware in actuality it's not an
    > extra 2 hours labor on top of the timing belt/water pump job). What
    > they said doesn't sound very honest, so I will not be calling them
    > again... The gentleman I spoke to on the phone told me to go look for
    > him by name when I go to the service dept so that he can "give me a
    > good deal." There must be some sort of commission factored into
    > salaries there, for him to be quoting $800+ for timing belt/water pump/
    > drive belts...
    >
    > Carson Toyota in LA said $195 for timing belt replacement, $127 labor
    > for water pump replacement, plus parts cost for a water pump. The
    > parts dept told me $100.95 parts cost for a water pump. They said
    > that they would replace drive belts at no additional labor and also
    > recommended changing the thermostat.
    >
    > Another option is that my dad has a trusted mechanic who said he would
    > do the job for about $312 labor plus parts. He said we're free to
    > supply our own OEM parts. After speaking to the dealership today that
    > is quoting 8 hours labor for the job, I'm tempted to go with the route
    > of my dad's mechanic. In that case, which parts should I order for
    > the job? At the minimum I need:
    > Timing belt $27
    > Water pump $77 (parts from exas Toyota of Grapevine, have bought from
    > them before, great service)
    > water pump gasket
    > thermostat
    > drive belts
    > Are there also "camshaft seals" or "crankshaft seals" that should be
    > replaced at the same time?
    >
    > I am fine with the prices quoted from Carson Toyota, but after what I
    > heard from Miller Toyota, I'm afraid of my non-car-savvy brother going
    > to the service dept by himself and then ending up with a bill much
    > higher than what was quoted. Or can I be reasonably confident that
    > the price you get from the service dept on the phone is usually close
    > to your actual bill?
    >
    > Appreciate your thoughts,
    > John
    >


    Use your dad's trusted mechanic.

    The thermostat normally does not have to be changed when replacing the
    timing belt or water pump so I would pass on the thermostat unless the car
    is overheating or not warming up properly. If you do go with the
    thermostat, add a thermostat housing gasket.

    If the coolant in the car is red or pink, add genuine Toyota coolant. If
    the coolant is green, add name-brand coolant like Prestone or Peak.

    At only 70,000 miles, the camshaft seals and crankshaft seal should be OK,
    unless there is oil leaking or weeping past them, as evidenced by oil near
    the timing cover on the passenger side of the engine.

    At that mileage, if the spark plugs are original, I would replace them with
    OEM spark plugs.
    --

    Ray O
    (correct punctuation to reply)



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    badgolferman
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    Default Re: ? cost to do timing belt and water pump at dealer on '97 Camry 2.2?

    johnyang97@gmail.com, 4/14/2007,6:16:05 PM, wrote:

    > Hi everyone,
    > My brother is moving to Los Angeles and we need to replace the timing
    > belt and water pump on our '97 Camry 2.2 that has 70k miles.


    [snipped]

    I know it is common practice to change the water pump at the same time
    that the timing belts are replaced but I must say that the three
    Toyotas I've had that have had timing belts replaced twice each have
    not had their water pumps replaced. Each time I have gone to the
    dealer to have the belt replaced they have inspected the pump (however
    they do that) and told me it looks fine. I am currently at 156K miles
    on my 97 Camry and the 94 Camry had 162K miles when I sold it. My
    Sienna van is at 120K miles and it is still OEM pump.

    If you do end up having the work done by your trusty mechanic make sure
    you have those bearings and tensioners that the timing belt rides on
    looked at carefully or also replaced.

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    Ray O
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    "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:xn0f4yjff2v16j3000@news.readfreenews.net...
    > johnyang97@gmail.com, 4/14/2007,6:16:05 PM, wrote:
    >
    >> Hi everyone,
    >> My brother is moving to Los Angeles and we need to replace the timing
    >> belt and water pump on our '97 Camry 2.2 that has 70k miles.

    >
    > [snipped]
    >
    > I know it is common practice to change the water pump at the same time
    > that the timing belts are replaced but I must say that the three
    > Toyotas I've had that have had timing belts replaced twice each have
    > not had their water pumps replaced. Each time I have gone to the
    > dealer to have the belt replaced they have inspected the pump (however
    > they do that) and told me it looks fine. I am currently at 156K miles
    > on my 97 Camry and the 94 Camry had 162K miles when I sold it. My
    > Sienna van is at 120K miles and it is still OEM pump.
    >
    > If you do end up having the work done by your trusty mechanic make sure
    > you have those bearings and tensioners that the timing belt rides on
    > looked at carefully or also replaced.


    Good point. Water pump life is in the neighborhood of 150K miles, the OP's
    Camry probably does not need it at this time.
    --

    Ray O
    (correct punctuation to reply)



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    mack
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    "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
    news:7ce51$46218b3c$47c2b532> At only 70,000 miles, the camshaft seals and
    crankshaft seal should be OK,
    > unless there is oil leaking or weeping past them, as evidenced by oil near
    > the timing cover on the passenger side of the engine.
    >
    > At that mileage, if the spark plugs are original, I would replace them
    > with OEM spark plugs.
    > --
    >
    > Ray O



    Uh, Ray, I guess I'm living on borrowed time, because my '97 Camry now has
    137,200 miles as of this week, and I'm still using the original spark plugs
    and wires. I've never even had them out to look at them! And the car runs
    perfectly, starts instantly, etc.
    I don't expect the "J" in front of the VIN number has anything to do with
    it, do you?
    (Yeah, I'm one of those rascals who has the creed "If it ain't broke, don't
    fix it" and so far it has worked for me, although I have replaced the timing
    belt and water pump.)
    But as far as 'tuneups' go, with replacing parts in the ignition system, I
    say "why?"



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    badgolferman
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    johnyang97@yahoo.com, 4/15/2007,12:08:10 AM, wrote:

    > Now my question for everyone is this:
    > Re. those $169 or $199 or $249 dealership timing belt specials, if we
    > were to bring the Camry to a Toyota dealership, will they be willing
    > to just replace the timing belt, or will they likely insist on doing a
    > lot more? $169 is the timing belt replacement special being
    > advertised by the same dealership that's telling me $680 for the
    > timing belt + water pump. If timing belt replacement is 4 hours'
    > labor then there'd be no profit in doing the job for $169.


    You can tell the dealer EXACTLY what you want done. $169 for a timing
    belt replacement is a good price. Around here the dealer charges ~$199
    for the four-cylinder and ~$249 for the six-cylinder. They have had
    mine done in less than two hours. Those times for labor are book times
    and they cannot charge more than that amount of time.

    In my area there are two dealerships. One less than two miles from me
    and one fifteen miles away. Guess which one I get my cars fixed at. A
    good mechanic/dealership that you can trust is worth its weight in
    gold. There have been several times I have been told by the service
    writer the noise that I hear isn't worth fixing yet and I should wait
    until it gets worse. I haven't been steered wrong yet and have come to
    trust them for the quality and advice they give.

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    On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 07:03:34 -0700, SMS wrote:

    > johnyang97@gmail.com wrote:
    >
    >> Another option is that my dad has a trusted mechanic who said he would
    >> do the job for about $312 labor plus parts.

    >
    > That sounds about right. It's not more than four hours of labor. Order the
    > parts on-line from
    > "http://www.trademotion.com/partlocator/index.cfm?siteid=840". However if
    > it's really a trusted mechanic, he can get the OEM parts from a dealer for
    > not much more.



    1988 Supra calipers: $285 ?!?!?!
    Fuel Tank: $339

    The tank is a real good price. A lot of dealers wanted $450^ for the tank.
    I got it for $275 after doing some 'shopping'. But the calipers? They must
    be brand new, and I mean NEW! Even the place I was working at that only
    gave us a 5% discount (I was having the guy I worked for before order the
    parts...they gave him 25%!!!) wanted $75 for Toyota reman'd, and they said
    new wasn't available.

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    Ray O
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    "mack" <mackerel@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
    news:1323cb068mpa31a@corp.supernews.com...
    >
    > "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
    > news:7ce51$46218b3c$47c2b532> At only 70,000 miles, the camshaft seals and
    > crankshaft seal should be OK,
    >> unless there is oil leaking or weeping past them, as evidenced by oil
    >> near the timing cover on the passenger side of the engine.
    >>
    >> At that mileage, if the spark plugs are original, I would replace them
    >> with OEM spark plugs.
    >> --
    >>
    >> Ray O

    >
    >
    > Uh, Ray, I guess I'm living on borrowed time, because my '97 Camry now has
    > 137,200 miles as of this week, and I'm still using the original spark
    > plugs and wires. I've never even had them out to look at them! And the
    > car runs perfectly, starts instantly, etc.
    > I don't expect the "J" in front of the VIN number has anything to do with
    > it, do you?
    > (Yeah, I'm one of those rascals who has the creed "If it ain't broke,
    > don't fix it" and so far it has worked for me, although I have replaced
    > the timing belt and water pump.)
    > But as far as 'tuneups' go, with replacing parts in the ignition system, I
    > say "why?"
    >

    The recommended spark plug replacement interval is 60,000 miles for the 1997
    Camry. Spark plug performance tends to deteriorate gradually so there is
    little, if any noticeable change in engine starting and drivability,
    although emissions performance can deteriorate after 60,000 miles, making
    the catalytic converter do more work.

    That said, I don't practice what I preach and stretch a lot of maintenance
    items by 25 to 50% on our vehicles. I try not to go further than that on
    maintenance items because that stuff will if all of these conditions exist:
    A) my wife is driving the vehicle, B) outside temps are below 0 degrees, C)
    it is dark outside, D) at least 40 miles from home, E) on a holiday or
    Sunday when the dealer parts department is closed, F) my wife or I have to
    be someplace to be when the part fails. ;-)

    --

    Ray O
    (correct punctuation to reply)



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    Danny G.
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    > Another option is that my dad has a trusted mechanic who said he would
    > do the job for about $312 labor plus parts. He said we're free to
    > supply our own OEM parts. After speaking to the dealership today that
    > is quoting 8 hours labor for the job, I'm tempted to go with the route
    > of my dad's mechanic. In that case, which parts should I order for
    > the job? At the minimum I need:
    > Timing belt $27
    > Water pump $77 (parts from exas Toyota of Grapevine, have bought from
    > them before, great service)
    > water pump gasket
    > thermostat
    > drive belts
    > Are there also "camshaft seals" or "crankshaft seals" that should be
    > replaced at the same time?
    >



    This mechanic would have earned that trust. Why not just tell him to use
    OEM parts and let him do his job the way he earned the trust.

    If you supply your own parts chances are your effort, extra and missing parts
    and his labor will make the bottom line more expensive anyway. Not to mention
    a defective or incorrect part become your problem.


    Dan



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