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    Coyoteboy
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    Default The joys of buying and overstressing a classic toyota..

    No sooner have i repaired the brakes on my GT-Four the clutch pressure
    plate springs have failed. Now i cant shift without matching gears lol.
    It never rains, it only ever pours in my drive lol. Best get finding
    parts to rebuild the new-model gearbox ive bought (do toyota sell
    synchros on their own?) and get a new clutch to drop in.




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    Ray O
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    "Coyoteboy" <coyoteboyuk@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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    > No sooner have i repaired the brakes on my GT-Four the clutch pressure
    > plate springs have failed. Now i cant shift without matching gears lol.
    > It never rains, it only ever pours in my drive lol. Best get finding
    > parts to rebuild the new-model gearbox ive bought (do toyota sell
    > synchros on their own?) and get a new clutch to drop in.
    >


    I am pretty sure that you can get synchros and gears individually, at least
    in the U.S.

    Have fun!
    --

    Ray O
    (correct punctuation to reply)



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    Coyoteboy
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    Ray O wrote:
    > I am pretty sure that you can get synchros and gears individually, at least
    > in the U.S.


    First good news ive heard in a while. Though i cant wait to ask for a
    price :-)


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    Ray O
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    "Coyoteboy" <coyoteboyuk@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:1158602242.282719.233080@k70g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
    >
    > Ray O wrote:
    >> I am pretty sure that you can get synchros and gears individually, at
    >> least
    >> in the U.S.

    >
    > First good news ive heard in a while. Though i cant wait to ask for a
    > price :-)
    >


    I have not priced synchros is a loooong time, but I recall that they were
    actually priced pretty reasonably and that the majority of the cost of
    replacing them was labor. If you're willing to do the work yourself, then
    the price for parts will probably be reasonable.

    Good luck!
    --

    Ray O
    (correct punctuation to reply)



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    Coyoteboy
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    Ray O wrote:
    > "Coyoteboy" <coyoteboyuk@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > I have not priced synchros is a loooong time, but I recall that they were
    > actually priced pretty reasonably and that the majority of the cost of
    > replacing them was labor. If you're willing to do the work yourself, then
    > the price for parts will probably be reasonable.
    >
    > Good luck!


    Curiously the clutch has started working properly again, after a clunk
    and a lurch. I'm thinking this could mean the friction material is
    breaking down and a chunk was jammed in the gap. The clunk was it being
    spat out maybe. Definitely time to get seeing to it!


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    Ray O
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    "Coyoteboy" <coyoteboyuk@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:1158749865.837262.227920@d34g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
    >
    > Ray O wrote:
    >> "Coyoteboy" <coyoteboyuk@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >> I have not priced synchros is a loooong time, but I recall that they were
    >> actually priced pretty reasonably and that the majority of the cost of
    >> replacing them was labor. If you're willing to do the work yourself,
    >> then
    >> the price for parts will probably be reasonable.
    >>
    >> Good luck!

    >
    > Curiously the clutch has started working properly again, after a clunk
    > and a lurch. I'm thinking this could mean the friction material is
    > breaking down and a chunk was jammed in the gap. The clunk was it being
    > spat out maybe. Definitely time to get seeing to it!
    >


    As much of a pain it is to change the clutch, it is still easier than
    replacing cones and synchros!

    If you have not topped off the clutch fluid level, the level in the clutch
    master cylinder will gradually drop as the clutch wears, much the same as
    what happens with brake linings.
    --

    Ray O
    (correct punctuation to reply)




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    Coyoteboy
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    Ray O wrote:

    > As much of a pain it is to change the clutch, it is still easier than
    > replacing cones and synchros!


    Never worked on a GT4 have you? :-) Its possible to do a clutch with
    the engine in the car, but to give you an idea of how hard it is - its
    widely recommended that its faster to completely disconnect the wiring
    harness, coolant, air con and completely remove the engine and box to
    do it instead of doing it in situ lol. Fitting a transverse engine and
    a 4wd transmission setup into the front end of a celica was a miracle
    of design lol.

    > If you have not topped off the clutch fluid level, the level in the clutch
    > master cylinder will gradually drop as the clutch wears, much the same as
    > what happens with brake linings.


    Aye, checked that and bled it just in case. Fairly sure its either the
    friction material falling apart (would explain it clunking and lurching
    then getting better) or its someting more sinister. Either way i have
    the spare gearbox and for now the car is drivable again so i can work
    on borrowed time!


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    Ray O
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    "Coyoteboy" <coyoteboyuk@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:1158772824.927835.324420@k70g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
    >
    > Ray O wrote:
    >
    >> As much of a pain it is to change the clutch, it is still easier than
    >> replacing cones and synchros!

    >
    > Never worked on a GT4 have you? :-) Its possible to do a clutch with
    > the engine in the car, but to give you an idea of how hard it is - its
    > widely recommended that its faster to completely disconnect the wiring
    > harness, coolant, air con and completely remove the engine and box to
    > do it instead of doing it in situ lol. Fitting a transverse engine and
    > a 4wd transmission setup into the front end of a celica was a miracle
    > of design lol.


    What I meant was, that removing the the transmission (gearbox) and replacing
    the clutch is easier than removing the transmission, rebuilding the
    transmission, and then putting it back together. Kind of like saying that
    having one tooth pulled is less painful than having 2 teeth pulled ;-)

    >
    >> If you have not topped off the clutch fluid level, the level in the
    >> clutch
    >> master cylinder will gradually drop as the clutch wears, much the same as
    >> what happens with brake linings.

    >
    > Aye, checked that and bled it just in case. Fairly sure its either the
    > friction material falling apart (would explain it clunking and lurching
    > then getting better) or its someting more sinister. Either way i have
    > the spare gearbox and for now the car is drivable again so i can work
    > on borrowed time!
    >


    No fair! Not many people keep spare gearboxes for their car!
    --

    Ray O
    (correct punctuation to reply)



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    Coyoteboy
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    Ray O wrote:

    > No fair! Not many people keep spare gearboxes for their car!
    > --
    >
    > Ray O
    > (correct punctuation to reply)


    lol, when youre car is as rare and as frequently dead as mine you
    collect all the spare parts you can when you see them lol. I know
    people in the owners club with 2-3 spare engines and boxes in their
    garage lol.


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    Danny G.
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    "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message news:3ed22$45116667$44a4a10d$17922@msgid.meganewss ervers.com...
    >
    > "Coyoteboy" <coyoteboyuk@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1158749865.837262.227920@d34g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
    >>
    >> Ray O wrote:
    >>> "Coyoteboy" <coyoteboyuk@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >>> I have not priced synchros is a loooong time, but I recall that they were
    >>> actually priced pretty reasonably and that the majority of the cost of
    >>> replacing them was labor. If you're willing to do the work yourself, then
    >>> the price for parts will probably be reasonable.
    >>>
    >>> Good luck!

    >>
    >> Curiously the clutch has started working properly again, after a clunk
    >> and a lurch. I'm thinking this could mean the friction material is
    >> breaking down and a chunk was jammed in the gap. The clunk was it being
    >> spat out maybe. Definitely time to get seeing to it!
    >>

    >
    > As much of a pain it is to change the clutch, it is still easier than replacing cones and synchros!
    >
    > If you have not topped off the clutch fluid level, the level in the clutch master cylinder will gradually drop as the clutch
    > wears, much the same as what happens with brake linings.
    > --
    >
    > Ray O
    > (correct punctuation to reply)
    >
    >


    With a little practice shifting without using the clutch or damaging anything is not tuff to do.
    Excluding from a dead stop of course because that's a bit tougher.



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