"George" <nospam@invalid.net> wrote in message
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> John2005 wrote:
>> I have also posted this question at some engineering forums and other
>> newsgroups. The general consensus seems to be that the use of anti
>> seize on vehicle lug nuts
>
> <Snip> all the horseshit.
>
> Dammit, man - this is a long assed thread for such a stupid subject.
> Millions of cars and trucks get produced and I've never seen ONE come from
> the factory with anti-sieze on the lugnuts. I worked in a tire shop for
> awhile and I've seen just about every form of abuse that could be applied
> to
> lug nuts. However, if you just put it together the way the factory did,
> all
> will be well. The manufacturer has engineers and metalurgists and a whole
> bunch of other smart guys working there so they probably looked at the
> feasibility of anti-sieze more than once. If you want to use it, go
> ahead.
> Why in the world would you try to convince everyone else that its a good
> idea? It won't hurt anything, so use it if you want to.
>
>
>
>Unfortunately your argument is pointless and and useless. All producers
>of vehicles first rule is to lower cost to produce. leaving out anti
>seize or any other thing . Like grease fittings , or even grease is for
>cost reduction only. putting anything on a car to make it easier to
>maintain . Or to disassemble later . After the warranty is up. Is
>counter productive to selling more cars.

The factory does not assemble things the best way.

And I mean to last as long as possible. And be maintainable as possible.

They assemble things the cheapest way.

And noone can argue that maintainability by shops. Or easily maintained
by by the BYM is anywhere near the top of their priority list.

Here's a good example. My buddy has a 1950 Olds 88 . When your under the
car . You rotate the wheels . There's two holes 180 degree out. with grease
fitting in there. Greasing them greases the wheel bearings by filling the
center of the hub with grease. When grease squeezes out the seals your
done.

Verses.
Changing a whole throwaway hub assembly with sealed bearings and no way to
grease them.



My Old Ranger 4x4 had a maintenance requirement to disassemble and relube
the drive train u joints and hubs after submersion. Because there's no
grease fittings to purge the water by greasing the components.


The point is . manufacturers cut big corners . Let alone think about anti
seize. And lugnuts here break off from rust where the threads stick out.
When you try and remove the nuts.

I will go so far as to say. Anyone's lug nuts fell off. Its because they
weren't tight enough.
A torque wrench wasn't used.
The lug nuts or threads were damaged.

And they didn't recheck them again .
As required by the manufacturer to do.

If you grease your lugnuts . you have to tighten them more. To compensate
for the lube.

And, wherever you are, that may well be the correct answer for your climate
and road conditions.

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"Gordie" <gordy@nolalu.on.ca> wrote in message
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On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 02:21:05 +0000, Augustus wrote:

Anti-sieze is a grease pure and simple. Grease is a misture of oil and a
binder such as soap or molybednium disulphate or (in this case) metal
powder.

Grease is a lubricant.

I tried the anti-sieze experiment some years back and the lug nuts always
came loose no matter how little I tried to use. Too much rides on my
wheels.

Something I forgot to mention, which you covered nicely. I'm in the western
NY area. Within range of a big salt mine, so they salt the roads,
generously. I need grease, to keep the lugs from rotting on. And need lot of
attention to keep my sheet metal fenders from rusting out. However, a driver
in a dry part of the world may never need to lubricate a stud, ever.

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"None4You" <None4You@nospam.cya> wrote in message
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However saying that. I live in the rustbelt. I believe the salt that's
used here 5 months a year on the road make anti seize necessary. But down
south or in hot areas such as Arizona or Cali . The lugnuts and brake disc
dont rust on.

I've been using axle grease, or anti sieze on my studs for gosh knows how
long. Never a problem. I think this is one of those questions where
anecdotes will be repeated, but no one really has any evidence. "My neighbor
says" or "we were taught at trucking school" or some other anecdote. I'll
trump you all on your anecdotes, and quote aristotle. Better than that,
maybe I'll find an Old Testament quote. So Jews (who tighten from right to
left) can also be observant. Muslims don't own lug wrenches, they just
behead the lugs.

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"Augustus" <no_one@no_where.net> wrote in message
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There's a slight difference between oiling lug nuts versus using an light
coating of anti-sieze conmpound on the same nuts. Anti-sieze is not a lube.

Don't you realize? It doesn't matter where you are, or what your road
conditions. When a usenet poster says something, you HAVE to do it!

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"Gordie" <gordy@nolalu.on.ca> wrote in message
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On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 19:27:22 -0700, John2005 wrote:

> John

Well, you have your mind made up so do what you want but I'll not change
because my experience tells me not to.

Stormin Mormon wrote:
> I've been using axle grease, or anti sieze on my studs for gosh knows
> how long. Never a problem. I think this is one of those questions
> where anecdotes will be repeated, but no one really has any evidence.
> "My neighbor says" or "we were taught at trucking school" or some
> other anecdote. I'll trump you all on your anecdotes, and quote
> aristotle. Better than that, maybe I'll find an Old Testament quote.
> So Jews (who tighten from right to left) can also be observant.
> Muslims don't own lug wrenches, they just behead the lugs.

I've used anti-seize on the wheel studs of all my vehicles (cars, trucks,
motorcycles, and trailers) for the last 40 years. I've always used a torque
wrench to tighten them, and I've not had a problem yet. Apparently, my luck
is holding. Then again, tomorrow is a new day and maybe all four of my
wheels will disengage as I'm travelling down the highway.

On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:53:55 -0800, "klutz" <smithson@cari.net>
wrote:

>Stormin Mormon wrote:
>> I've been using axle grease, or anti sieze on my studs for gosh knows
>> how long. Never a problem. I think this is one of those questions
>> where anecdotes will be repeated, but no one really has any evidence.
>> "My neighbor says" or "we were taught at trucking school" or some
>> other anecdote. I'll trump you all on your anecdotes, and quote
>> aristotle. Better than that, maybe I'll find an Old Testament quote.
>> So Jews (who tighten from right to left) can also be observant.
>> Muslims don't own lug wrenches, they just behead the lugs.
>
>I've used anti-seize on the wheel studs of all my vehicles (cars, trucks,
>motorcycles, and trailers) for the last 40 years. I've always used a torque
>wrench to tighten them, and I've not had a problem yet. Apparently, my luck
>is holding. Then again, tomorrow is a new day and maybe all four of my
>wheels will disengage as I'm travelling down the highway.

Will someone please correct me if I'm wrong - I'm not an engineer
nor could I even fake it well on the Internet - but I was under
the impression that the force that held a bolt/nut/whatever in
place was the friction between the head of the bolt and the
surface it was tightened against. Anti-seize was primarily to
prevent galling from occuring from two dissimilar metals being in
contact with each other.

And, Mr. Klutz, could you please tell me where you're driving
tomorrow? I'd like to see all your wheels fall off at once.
Sounds like it could be pretty funny. I'll try and get video.

I have been using Anti Seize on the wheel studs of my boat trailer for over
30 years
The trailer gets backed in to salt water if you do not use it you will just
snap off studs when changing a flat.
Never had a problem and I do torque the nuts down
Art



"scrape" <scrapeNOTHANKS@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:53:55 -0800, "klutz" <smithson@cari.net>
> wrote:
>
>>Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>> I've been using axle grease, or anti sieze on my studs for gosh knows
>>> how long. Never a problem. I think this is one of those questions
>>> where anecdotes will be repeated, but no one really has any evidence.
>>> "My neighbor says" or "we were taught at trucking school" or some
>>> other anecdote. I'll trump you all on your anecdotes, and quote
>>> aristotle. Better than that, maybe I'll find an Old Testament quote.
>>> So Jews (who tighten from right to left) can also be observant.
>>> Muslims don't own lug wrenches, they just behead the lugs.
>>
>>I've used anti-seize on the wheel studs of all my vehicles (cars, trucks,
>>motorcycles, and trailers) for the last 40 years. I've always used a
>>torque
>>wrench to tighten them, and I've not had a problem yet. Apparently, my
>>luck
>>is holding. Then again, tomorrow is a new day and maybe all four of my
>>wheels will disengage as I'm travelling down the highway.
>
> Will someone please correct me if I'm wrong - I'm not an engineer
> nor could I even fake it well on the Internet - but I was under
> the impression that the force that held a bolt/nut/whatever in
> place was the friction between the head of the bolt and the
> surface it was tightened against. Anti-seize was primarily to
> prevent galling from occuring from two dissimilar metals being in
> contact with each other.
>
> And, Mr. Klutz, could you please tell me where you're driving
> tomorrow? I'd like to see all your wheels fall off at once.
> Sounds like it could be pretty funny. I'll try and get video.
>