NEW Your vehicle can run 50% more Fuel Efficient

#1 (**permalink**) 03-29-2008, 05:32 PM

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 Thanks to new Technology, based on an
old patent you can improve your milage by up to 50%.
It's a new version of "Brown's Gas", and works great on gas & diesel
vehicles.
Have a look at what the website below has to say. Many people are using this system already.
Don't you want to Save on Fuel and meantime
help the environment too ?
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#2 (**permalink**) 03-29-2008, 07:31 PM

"Bob Douglas" <bob@newinventions.com> wrote in message news:d6e97$47ee6590$3ec35a9f$22292@news.chello.nl. ..
Thanks to new Technology, based on an old patent you can improve your milage by up to 50%.

It's a new version of "Brown's Gas", and works great on gas & diesel vehicles.

Have a look at what the website below has to say. Many people are using this system already.

Don't you want to Save on Fuel and meantime help the environment too ?

http://www.richardsprovenidea.com

Are people really this stupid???

#3 (**permalink**) 03-30-2008, 10:34 AM

"Burgerman" <burgerman@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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"Bob Douglas" <bob@newinventions.com> wrote in message
news:d6e97$47ee6590$3ec35a9f$22292@news.chello.nl. ..
> Thanks to new Technology, based on an old patent you can improve your
milage by up to 50%.
> It's a new version of "Brown's Gas", and works great on gas & diesel
vehicles.
> Have a look at what the website below has to say. Many people are using
this system already.
> Don't you want to Save on Fuel and meantime help the environment too ?
> http://www.richardsprovenidea.com

Are people really this stupid???

It is not stupid and it does work. The secret is that the energy to power
the car
is coming from the electrical socket in your home, in which you plug the
battery
charger into to recharge the batteries in the car that run the water
decomposer.

So yes, you can increase your fuel mileage and save a lot of money on
gasoline.
As for the fact that your electric bill increase wipes out your savings on
gasoline, well pay no attention to that man behind the curtain....;-)

(the other problem is that most of the people selling these schemes make the
slight alteration of running the decomposer off the car's alternator -
apparently
believing that the perpetual motion machine actually works - and as a
result gain no fuel savings at all)

Ted

#4 (**permalink**) 03-30-2008, 10:31 PM

"Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Burgerman" <burgerman@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:iiuHj.27413$%N1.2808@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
> "Bob Douglas" <bob@newinventions.com> wrote in message
> news:d6e97$47ee6590$3ec35a9f$22292@news.chello.nl. ..
>> Thanks to new Technology, based on an old patent you can improve your
> milage by up to 50%.
>> It's a new version of "Brown's Gas", and works great on gas & diesel
> vehicles.
>> Have a look at what the website below has to say. Many people are using
> this system already.
>> Don't you want to Save on Fuel and meantime help the environment too ?
>> http://www.richardsprovenidea.com
>
>
>
> Are people really this stupid???
>
> It is not stupid and it does work. The secret is that the energy to power
> the car
> is coming from the electrical socket in your home, in which you plug the
> battery
> charger into to recharge the batteries in the car that run the water
> decomposer.

Since the site didnt actually work I presumed it was the same as all the
other run your car on water scams.
This one does what? Add a couple of heavy expensive deep cycle batteries
that you charge from home to create the browns gas on the fly?

Still dont see how its anything but stupid!
Splitting water to oxy and hydrogen is around 37 percent efficient.
Charging the batteries from home given the price of electricity and the fact
that you need to put 140 percent "back" into a deep cycle lead acid to fully
charge and equalise it every cycle means that even if your expensive heavy
deep cycle batteries were free and didnt expire after 300 rated cycles it
would still cost more than pump fuel per mile considering the inefficiency
involved. And how much gas do you think you will get from a pair of
expensive deep cycle batteries? These things take many amps and give little
return. After going to the local shop your batteries will be dead. And 63
percent of that power went to waste as the splitters are around 37 percent
efficient remember.

>
> So yes, you can increase your fuel mileage and save a lot of money on
> gasoline.

You "may" save some fuel, although not for very long on battery power... But
it still costs you more than just a normal fill. And you get less per gallon
as you are karting a load of lead acid batteries about.

> As for the fact that your electric bill increase wipes out your savings on
> gasoline, well pay no attention to that man behind the curtain....;-)

Well thats the point!
Its why I said are people this stupid!

>
> (the other problem is that most of the people selling these schemes make
> the
> slight alteration of running the decomposer off the car's alternator -
> apparently

All the ones I saw so far.
So they are running about 3 times the power out of the alternator that they
get from the hydrogen!

> believing that the perpetual motion machine actually works - and as a
> result gain no fuel savings at all)

Actually it must LOWER fuel efficiency.

>
> Ted
>

#5 (**permalink**) 03-30-2008, 10:31 PM

>> Thanks to new Technology, based on an old patent you can improve your
milage >> by up to 50%.
>>
>> It's a new version of "Brown's Gas", and works great on gas & diesel
vehicles.
>>
>> Have a look at what the website below has to say. Many people are using
this
>> system already.
>>
>> Don't you want to Save on Fuel and meantime help the environment too ?
>>
>> http://www.richardsprovenidea.com

>Are people really this stupid???

Some of them are, to fall for this line of stupidity!!

It's NOT a new version of 'Browns Gas', it's the same old SCAM version
that's been around since the 1920's. What's new is the slick packaging
and marketing by idiots who don't know anything to idiots who are gullible.

#6 (**permalink**) 03-31-2008, 01:32 PM

"Mike Y" <joe@user.com> wrote in message
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>>> Thanks to new Technology, based on an old patent you can improve your
> milage >> by up to 50%.
>>>
>>> It's a new version of "Brown's Gas", and works great on gas & diesel
> vehicles.
>>>
>>> Have a look at what the website below has to say. Many people are using
> this
>>> system already.
>>>
>>> Don't you want to Save on Fuel and meantime help the environment too ?
>>>
>>> http://www.richardsprovenidea.com
>
>>Are people really this stupid???
>
> Some of them are, to fall for this line of stupidity!!
>
> It's NOT a new version of 'Browns Gas', it's the same old SCAM version
> that's been around since the 1920's. What's new is the slick packaging
> and marketing by idiots who don't know anything to idiots who are
> gullible.
>
>
>

Actually some of the idiots actually believe it works themselves! They
havent figured out EMF yet so cant see where the problem is since they think
the alternator is "going round anyway" so to speak..

What you COULD do would be to make hydrogen (not browns gas) via wind or
solar power slowly day and night and use a fridge compressor to stick it
into cylinders at say 600 psi. You could introduce this into the intake in
small quantities regulated to say 25psi via a jet or pulsed solenoid and
jet. In many cars the closed loop system will see extra fuel via the oxygen
sensor and lean off the mixture and save your petrol.

It will work in deseasels too directly like propane injection does.

#7 (**permalink**) 03-31-2008, 11:32 PM

"Burgerman" <burgerman@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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>
> Actually some of the idiots actually believe it works themselves! They
> havent figured out EMF yet so cant see where the problem is since they
think
> the alternator is "going round anyway" so to speak..
>
> What you COULD do would be to make hydrogen (not browns gas) via wind or
> solar power slowly day and night and use a fridge compressor to stick it
> into cylinders at say 600 psi. You could introduce this into the intake in
> small quantities regulated to say 25psi via a jet or pulsed solenoid and
> jet. In many cars the closed loop system will see extra fuel via the
oxygen
> sensor and lean off the mixture and save your petrol.
>
> It will work in deseasels too directly like propane injection does.
>

Not to deflate the 'idiot rating' of any of these guys, 'Browns Gas' does
have
some practical uses. In welding, for example. But just because it has a
few
LIMITED uses in very specific situations, there are idiots out there trying
to
tout it as the do-all wonder of the ages for welding.

And it does have a unique property, that I'm sure some of the scammers
will latch onto in their incredible claims... There is a narrow range of
conditions where the energy in from your electrictrolysis is less than the
energy you get out. Where does the extra energy come from? Or has
God decided to give mankind free energy after all? Actually, under a
very narrow range of conditions, ambient temperature will actually provide
a SMALL (like low single digits) percentage of the energy needed to
make Browns Gas. But even then, you'd better have 100% percent
efficiency in the rest of your system to be able to capitalize on that
windfall of energy! Right! You're going to do that with recycled
mayonnaise
jars and fish tank piping!

You're right, make Hydrogen at home!

Hmm, you know, I think it's really neat that Honda has an optional
'home kit' for their LPG car that lets you compress natural gas at home
to fuel your car... (Just wait till the scammers come up with tricks for
THAT!) I wonder how hard it would be to modify that to work with
hydrogen? What's the pressure of liquid hydrogen anyway? I don't
know from personal knowledge, but I hear that Helium is well over
2000psi. At least, I seem to recall that the 'burst disk' for the helium
pressurization of the Apollo fuel tanks was 2600 or so PSI and I suspect
that hydrogen would be close. Then again, maybe not.

I wonder, if you don't get Hydrogen to a liquid state, is it worth it
(carting it around) for the energy per volume you get out of it?

Mike

#8 (**permalink**) 04-01-2008, 10:18 AM

"Mike Y" <joe@user.com> wrote in message news:%9dIj.45$at3.1@newsfe05.lga...
>
> "Burgerman" <burgerman@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news

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>>
>> Actually some of the idiots actually believe it works themselves! They
>> havent figured out EMF yet so cant see where the problem is since they
> think
>> the alternator is "going round anyway" so to speak..
>>
>> What you COULD do would be to make hydrogen (not browns gas) via wind or
>> solar power slowly day and night and use a fridge compressor to stick it
>> into cylinders at say 600 psi. You could introduce this into the intake
>> in
>> small quantities regulated to say 25psi via a jet or pulsed solenoid and
>> jet. In many cars the closed loop system will see extra fuel via the
> oxygen
>> sensor and lean off the mixture and save your petrol.
>>
>> It will work in deseasels too directly like propane injection does.
>>
>
> Not to deflate the 'idiot rating' of any of these guys, 'Browns Gas' does
> have
> some practical uses. In welding, for example. But just because it has a
> few
> LIMITED uses in very specific situations, there are idiots out there
> trying
> to
> tout it as the do-all wonder of the ages for welding.
>
> And it does have a unique property, that I'm sure some of the scammers
> will latch onto in their incredible claims... There is a narrow range of
> conditions where the energy in from your electrictrolysis is less than the
> energy you get out. Where does the extra energy come from? Or has
> God decided to give mankind free energy after all? Actually, under a
> very narrow range of conditions, ambient temperature will actually provide
> a SMALL (like low single digits) percentage of the energy needed to
> make Browns Gas. But even then, you'd better have 100% percent
> efficiency in the rest of your system to be able to capitalize on that
> windfall of energy! Right! You're going to do that with recycled
> mayonnaise
> jars and fish tank piping!
>
> You're right, make Hydrogen at home!
>
> Hmm, you know, I think it's really neat that Honda has an optional
> 'home kit' for their LPG car that lets you compress natural gas at home
> to fuel your car... (Just wait till the scammers come up with tricks for
> THAT!) I wonder how hard it would be to modify that to work with
> hydrogen? What's the pressure of liquid hydrogen anyway? I don't
> know from personal knowledge, but I hear that Helium is well over
> 2000psi. At least, I seem to recall that the 'burst disk' for the helium
> pressurization of the Apollo fuel tanks was 2600 or so PSI and I suspect
> that hydrogen would be close. Then again, maybe not.
>
> I wonder, if you don't get Hydrogen to a liquid state, is it worth it
> (carting it around) for the energy per volume you get out of it?
>
> Mike

I think the only way to get it liquid is to cool it much like O2 with all
the problems that entails. Thats why I suggested it as a supplement
compressed in bottles to increase mpg rather than to actually run on it.

#9 (**permalink**) 04-07-2008, 01:35 AM

In article <iiuHj.27413$%N1.2808@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net>,
"Burgerman" <burgerman@ntlworld.com> wrote:

> "Bob Douglas" <bob@newinventions.com> wrote in message
> news:d6e97$47ee6590$3ec35a9f$22292@news.chello.nl. ..
> Thanks to new Technology, based on an old patent you can improve your
> milage by up to 50%.
>
> It's a new version of "Brown's Gas", and works great on gas & diesel
> vehicles.
>
> Have a look at what the website below has to say. Many people are using
> this system already.
>
> Don't you want to Save on Fuel and meantime help the environment too ?
>
> http://www.richardsprovenidea.com
>
> Are people really this stupid???

Dam it I tried this neat idea and my car blew up then burned my house
down.
If I can get ahold of this scammer I'll burn his balls off!