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  1. #1
    eddie@eddiebyrne.com
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    Default 92 Accord Engine Floods? After Running For A Short Time

    Hi,
    If I only run my accord for a minute or so (i.e. do not let it warm up)
    and then shut it off, it has trouble starting the next time I try to
    start it. The trouble ranges from 1) starting normally, then idling
    roughly for a minute or so, and then running normally to 2) starting
    and then quickly dying, then cranking but not starting (engine
    flooded?).

    I am wondering whether this is normal behavior (I doubt it) and what
    might be done to 'fix it'. (The current fix is to never run the car
    for too short a length of time).

    Observations/questions:
    - I have seen this problem with as much as 24 hours elapsing between
    the 'short run' and the 'next start'. Does that mean that the flooding
    is occurirng on the 'next start' attempt? i.e. will a flooded engine
    'unflood' with no intervention if you leave it alone for hours?
    - I read about moisture from combustion being left behind on the spark
    plugs if they do not get a chance to warm up? Any comments?
    - Is there a sensor failure that would cause this?

    Knock on wood, this problem is the only ignition/engine type problem
    that the car exhibits.

    Thanks for any responses.




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    Graham W
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    eddie@eddiebyrne.com wrote:
    > Hi,
    > If I only run my accord for a minute or so (i.e. do not let it warm up)
    > and then shut it off, it has trouble starting the next time I try to
    > start it. The trouble ranges from 1) starting normally, then idling
    > roughly for a minute or so, and then running normally to 2) starting
    > and then quickly dying, then cranking but not starting (engine
    > flooded?).
    >
    > I am wondering whether this is normal behavior (I doubt it) and what
    > might be done to 'fix it'. (The current fix is to never run the car
    > for too short a length of time).
    >
    > Observations/questions:
    > - I have seen this problem with as much as 24 hours elapsing between
    > the 'short run' and the 'next start'. Does that mean that the flooding
    > is occurirng on the 'next start' attempt? i.e. will a flooded engine
    > 'unflood' with no intervention if you leave it alone for hours?
    > - I read about moisture from combustion being left behind on the spark
    > plugs if they do not get a chance to warm up? Any comments?
    > - Is there a sensor failure that would cause this?
    >
    > Knock on wood, this problem is the only ignition/engine type problem
    > that the car exhibits.



    Have a look at the Rover 216 GSi article in my website below.

    HTH

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    eddie@eddiebyrne.com
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    Default Re: 92 Accord Engine Floods? After Running For A Short Time

    Thanks for the suggestion Graham. Cool web sites!

    I read the Rover article. Good story with lots of detail and
    information! But I'm not sure what you meant for me to get out of it
    vis a vis my problem. Your original problem (won't start after a short
    drive) is close to what I see, but the later problems are not.

    When my problem happens (after a 'short run / shut down cold'), it will
    run rough after starting if I try again in 5 minutes or 24 hours. I
    have not had the chance to let it sit for more than a day to see if it
    would still be a problem.

    -Eddie


  4. #4
    Graham W
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    eddie@eddiebyrne.com wrote:
    > Thanks for the suggestion Graham. Cool web sites!


    Ta!

    > I read the Rover article. Good story with lots of detail and
    > information! But I'm not sure what you meant for me to get out of it
    > vis a vis my problem. Your original problem (won't start after a short
    > drive) is close to what I see, but the later problems are not.



    Well, I thought it sounded like the dirty distributor cap syndrome,
    but maybe it's not. As you say, there are similarities and differences.
    It is a bit lengthy and covers more than one problem but the re-start
    one caught me out more than once!


    > When my problem happens (after a 'short run / shut down cold'), it will
    > run rough after starting if I try again in 5 minutes or 24 hours. I
    > have not had the chance to let it sit for more than a day to see if it
    > would still be a problem.



    It would still be worth scrubbing up the cap as it needs no special tools
    and is easy to do and if you are suffering a combination of faults it
    would get rid of one of them. The wet weather is also a clue.

    Good luck in sorting it anyway.

    Graham W

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    motsco_
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    eddie@eddiebyrne.com wrote:
    > Hi,
    > If I only run my accord for a minute or so (i.e. do not let it warm up)
    > and then shut it off, it has trouble starting the next time I try to
    > start it. The trouble ranges from 1) starting normally, then idling
    > roughly for a minute or so, and then running normally to 2) starting
    > and then quickly dying, then cranking but not starting (engine
    > flooded?).
    >
    > I am wondering whether this is normal behavior (I doubt it) and what
    > might be done to 'fix it'. (The current fix is to never run the car
    > for too short a length of time).
    >
    > Observations/questions:
    > - I have seen this problem with as much as 24 hours elapsing between
    > the 'short run' and the 'next start'. Does that mean that the flooding
    > is occurirng on the 'next start' attempt? i.e. will a flooded engine
    > 'unflood' with no intervention if you leave it alone for hours?
    > - I read about moisture from combustion being left behind on the spark
    > plugs if they do not get a chance to warm up? Any comments?
    > - Is there a sensor failure that would cause this?
    >
    > Knock on wood, this problem is the only ignition/engine type problem
    > that the car exhibits.
    >
    > Thanks for any responses.
    >

    ----------------------------------

    Another fellow who used to hang around here had the (exact) same
    problem. He concluded that if he was going to start the Honda, he'd have
    to go for a spin. It was a few years ago and I don't think he ever found
    the reason. The owner's manual is very clear how to start a flooded
    Honda. A google search for 'dribbling + injector' would ring a few bells.

    It seems there should be a TSB somewhere about EGR or something like that.

    Have you used injector cleaner from time to time? Ever changed the PCV
    (somewhat unrelated).



    'Curly'

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    eddie@eddiebyrne.com
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    Default Re: 92 Accord Engine Floods? After Running For A Short Time

    Thanks Graham, Curly

    Re cleaning distributor cap. You are right, I should do that. For you
    that fixed that problem that was most similar to my problem.

    I have not run any fuel injector cleaner. I may try that.

    Bummer that they guy with same problem never figured it out (as far as
    we know).

    Taking the risk of throwing out red herrings and other bogus info, here
    is some more info.
    - My distributor died in 2003 and a friend helped me replace the
    distributor body, cap, rotor, and igniter module. It is possible
    (mabye 70%) that this problem only started occurring after that date.
    - The only time that I usually do a 'short run / shut down cold' is
    when moving my car in and out of the garage to wash it. So there's the
    moisture again. But I didn't think that me washing the outside of the
    car could get significant moisture into the distributor or intake
    manifold for that matter. The hood stays down...
    - Another possible moisture red herring: when the severe version of
    the problem happened a few days ago (would not start), the garage was
    super humid from melting snow and snow blowing in through a crack under
    the garage door.

    I'll try and rule out the moisture factor by doing a short run / shut
    down cold / restart outside on a dry day.

    I sort of bought into the moisture from combustion settling on a cool
    spark plug theory. Is there a similar theory that would have moisture
    settle at the 'wrong' point in the distributor??? whatever that point
    is.


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    Graham W
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    eddie@eddiebyrne.com wrote:
    > Thanks Graham, Curly
    >
    > Re cleaning distributor cap. You are right, I should do that. For you
    > that fixed that problem that was most similar to my problem.


    To explain a little more... the internal and external surfaces
    of the distributor cap may attract and be coated with grime particles
    which, in damp weather, 'join up' and form a conductive film to
    the high voltage stuff. They, or it, don't need to be a measurable
    ohmic leak since what it does is provide one plate of a capacitor
    which takes the punch out of the spark energy. Same applies to
    the ignition HV leads to the plugs. So the thing to do is clean up
    the cap in fairy liquid solution and then dry the cap in the warm
    somewhere. Re install it and see if that improves things.

    > I have not run any fuel injector cleaner. I may try that.
    >
    > Bummer that they guy with same problem never figured it out (as far as
    > we know).
    >
    > Taking the risk of throwing out red herrings and other bogus info, here
    > is some more info.
    > - My distributor died in 2003 and a friend helped me replace the
    > distributor body, cap, rotor, and igniter module. It is possible
    > (mabye 70%) that this problem only started occurring after that date.
    > - The only time that I usually do a 'short run / shut down cold' is
    > when moving my car in and out of the garage to wash it. So there's the
    > moisture again. But I didn't think that me washing the outside of the
    > car could get significant moisture into the distributor or intake
    > manifold for that matter. The hood stays down...
    > - Another possible moisture red herring: when the severe version of
    > the problem happened a few days ago (would not start), the garage was
    > super humid from melting snow and snow blowing in through a crack under
    > the garage door.
    >
    > I'll try and rule out the moisture factor by doing a short run / shut
    > down cold / restart outside on a dry day.


    Nah, clean the cap, as above - you know it makes sense!

    > I sort of bought into the moisture from combustion settling on a cool
    > spark plug theory. Is there a similar theory that would have moisture
    > settle at the 'wrong' point in the distributor??? whatever that point
    > is.


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