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    Jeff Strickland
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    Default Re: in California, any Doc fees etc for leasing?

    Of course there are doc fees. There are taxes and license fees too. Do you
    have any idea how difficult it is to type your name into the computer then
    click to spit out the forms? Sheesh, that has got to be worth $100 or so.

    From the perspective of the state vis a vis the registration and
    documentation, buying or leasing is the same therefore the fees are there
    and they are also the same. From the perspective of the dealership, buying
    and leasiing are also pretty much the same, they have to document the lien
    holder and the buyer/leasee.

    I can't see any logic to your question ...



    "Summercool" <Summercoolness@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:f02afb26-3c0f-4f0c-81c0-a248b885d116@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
    > When buying or leasing a BMW in California, is there Doc fees or any
    > other fees?
    >
    > Sometimes the dealer just add on whatever fees and we as the consumer
    > just sign the contract and pay for it.
    >
    >
    > I am looking for this car to buy with 2-7 days... if you have a price
    > quote please let me know:
    >
    > BMW X3 2008 $34960
    > Titanium Silver Metallic
    > Upholstery Leatherette
    > Cold Weather Package $910
    > Privacy Glass $320
    > Automatic
    >
    >
    > Leasing for 24 months <===
    > $2500 down
    > 12k annual mileage
    >
    > Please specify the exact amount at signing, and the exact Monthly
    > payment.





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    Summercool
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    Default Re: in California, any Doc fees etc for leasing?

    On Nov 24, 9:30 am, "Jeff Strickland" <cr...@verizon.net> wrote:
    > Of course there are doc fees. There are taxes and license fees too. Do you
    > have any idea how difficult it is to type your name into the computer then
    > click to spit out the forms? Sheesh, that has got to be worth $100 or so.


    what i mean is, so these are the only 3 fees that we have to pay?

    1. document fee - $40 or $200?
    2. license fee - DMV standard
    3. taxes

    coz sometimes, you see the "regional promotional fee" or "preparation
    fee"... i heard there are fees that they add on but you don't have to
    agree on paying.


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    Bob Smitter
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    Default Re: in California, any Doc fees etc for leasing?


    "Summercool" <Summercoolness@gmail.com> wrote:
    >
    > what i mean is, so these are the only 3 fees that we have to pay?
    >
    > 1. document fee - $40 or $200?
    > 2. license fee - DMV standard
    > 3. taxes


    The document fee is negotiable. I have only once in my life
    payed a document fee, and that was when I had NO choice.
    It was a buyback from BMW and everything was set in
    concrete. Once you start doing the paperwork, tell the
    dealer it will kill the deal unless he drops the fee.



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    Jeff Strickland
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    Default Re: in California, any Doc fees etc for leasing?


    "Summercool" <Summercoolness@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:a4f20e04-1315-4e4a-8501-cb0829524bb1@d27g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
    > On Nov 24, 9:30 am, "Jeff Strickland" <cr...@verizon.net> wrote:
    >> Of course there are doc fees. There are taxes and license fees too. Do
    >> you
    >> have any idea how difficult it is to type your name into the computer
    >> then
    >> click to spit out the forms? Sheesh, that has got to be worth $100 or so.

    >
    > what i mean is, so these are the only 3 fees that we have to pay?
    >
    > 1. document fee - $40 or $200?
    > 2. license fee - DMV standard
    > 3. taxes
    >
    > coz sometimes, you see the "regional promotional fee" or "preparation
    > fee"... i heard there are fees that they add on but you don't have to
    > agree on paying.
    >


    Those fees, and the dealership can add Advertising Fees, and all sorts of
    stuff. They claim they have costs associated with being located in an "auto
    park" or "dealership mile" or whatever the term is they use. These costs can
    be added on as a fee. Think of the fees sort of like the home owner
    association fee that one might pay to live in a condo complex. Sometimes the
    landlord simply loads the fee into the rent, or he says that you pay them
    each month in addition to the rent. On a lease the analogy holds true but on
    a purchase the analogy falls apart a little. The point is, there is a dealer
    cost assoicated with each car he sells, and the fees are an attempt to
    capture some of those costs from the buyer instead of pay from his own
    profit margin. Doc, License, and Taxes are reasonable fees for the buyer to
    absorb, but the advertising fee, make-ready fee (where they clean the car
    before delivery to you) and other such fees are reasonably negotiated out of
    the cost to the buyer IF the buyer is strong enough to walk away from a car
    he wants.

    Bottom line, the fees are not dependent on buying or leasing because from
    the dealership perspective the transaction is the same -- he sells a car to
    somebody and you drive it away. He can sell the car to a lease company --
    perhaps his own or that of the automaker -- he can sell the car to the
    bank -- perhaps his own or that of the automaker -- or he can sell the car
    directly to you if you have a fat enough checkbook. In the first two, you
    make payments to an entity that has already paid the dealership for the car
    you drove away in. The dealer gets paid on the very first day of the
    financial agreement, so he does not care that it is a lease, sale to a bank,
    or a sale directly to you. With that in mind, the fees are the same --
    except sales tax that is collected monthy as part of a lease payment.

    Basically, you can refuse to pay these fees and be prepared to walk if they
    are not waived, or pay the fees and drive off in a new car. Or, meet
    somewhere in the middle.




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