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Discuss VIN in the alt.autos.toyota forum at Car Dealer Forums; Jeff <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in news:dlz8j.2129$c82.1366@trnddc01: > The modern standard for VINs was not adopted until ...
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    Tegger
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    Jeff <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in
    news:dlz8j.2129$c82.1366@trnddc01:


    > The modern standard for VINs was not adopted until 1981. However,
    > before this, cars usually had a VIN anyway. I would be surprised if
    > they weren't required. It may be that the VIN is in an unusual place
    > or at least a place you didn't look, like inside the door.




    Prior to the 1981 standardization, the car's serial number could be any
    length or configuration and in any place which suited the manufacturer.

    Some cars had them on a door pillar, the firewall, a frame rail, you name
    it. Some much older cars didn't have the serial number in any permanent
    place at all, making re-registration and authentic restoration difficult.


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    Tegger




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    Danny G.
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    "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote
    in message
    news:dlz8j.2129$c82.1366@trnddc01...
    > Danny G. wrote:
    >> "n5hsr" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote in
    >> message
    >> news:3JGdnWmHzL5TWPzanZ2dnUVZ_jmdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
    >>> "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote
    >>> in message
    >>> news:Xns9A05B7BD0F099tegger@207.14.116.130...
    >>>> "n5hsr" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote
    >>>> in
    >>>> news:QsSdnemUw_xGMvzanZ2dnUVZ_tSknZ2d@comcast.com:
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>> However, I have noticed that
    >>>>> Japanese cars that make it to
    >>>>> North
    >>>>> America have the North American
    >>>>> style VIN behind the lower corner
    >>>>> of
    >>>>> the windshield like North American
    >>>>> cars to.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> That is a North American legal
    >>>> requirement which does not exist
    >>>> elsewhere
    >>>> in the world. Foreign cars must
    >>>> comply with this requirement on
    >>>> vehicles
    >>>> shipped for sale in the US/Canadian
    >>>> markets.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>> Also there is a 17 digit
    >>>>> VIN on Japanese made Toyotas, but
    >>>>> it has the old style VIN stamped
    >>>>> on
    >>>>> the firewall in the engine
    >>>>> compartment. Some North American
    >>>>> cars have
    >>>>> this number stamped on the
    >>>>> firewall, too. Don't know if
    >>>>> they're still
    >>>>> doing it.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> The VIN is present in several
    >>>> locations on all cars. I do believe
    >>>> there is
    >>>> a legal requirment for the VIN to
    >>>> be stamped into the firewall, as
    >>>> that
    >>>> part is the only part which IS "the
    >>>> car" itself. The firewall is
    >>>> analogous
    >>>> to the receiver of a firearm.
    >>>>
    >>>> Of import to the OP is the presence
    >>>> (or not) of a VIN tag visible in
    >>>> the
    >>>> windshield. The presence of such a
    >>>> tag is proof the car was made for
    >>>> North
    >>>> America.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> --
    >>>> Tegger
    >>>>
    >>> I'm trying to remember when the Vin
    >>> visible through the Windshield was
    >>> first implimented I think it might
    >>> have been 1968. Our 72 Carina had
    >>> one, but our 63 Chevy II did not.
    >>> I'm trying to remember if Uncle
    >>> Bills lease car (67 Chevy Caprice
    >>> Sedan) had it or not. We had no
    >>> cars that dated between 1963 and
    >>> 1972.
    >>>
    >>> Charles the Curmudgeon
    >>>

    >>
    >> If I remember correctly my 1967 El
    >> Camino had one but not my 1966 VW.
    >>
    >> Dan

    >
    > The modern standard for VINs was not
    > adopted until 1981. However, before
    > this, cars usually had a VIN anyway. I
    > would be surprised if they weren't
    > required. It may be that the VIN is in
    > an unusual place or at least a place
    > you didn't look, like inside the door.
    >
    > Apparantly, at least some VWs had
    > them:
    > http://www.cybertects.co.uk/scirocco/vincheck.php



    Woops, I forgot to mention the "Vin
    visible through the Windshield" part.
    8)



  3. #13
    Jeff
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    Danny G. wrote:
    <...>

    > Woops, I forgot to mention the "Vin
    > visible through the Windshield" part.
    > 8)


    I was wondering about that. Also, the car could have been new to you and
    you just didn't find it yet.

    Jeff


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    Hello. Completely free vin check by Vingurus helps identify problems without the physical presence of the vehicle, which means you can check the vehicle regardless of its location. This will help you identify all the shortcomings of the car, understand the condition it is in and make the right choice before buying.

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